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#1 Aug 13 2010 at 12:20 AM Rating: Decent
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So my Setup now is... very old. I think I got it a little before FFXI came out. When I run the benchmark on low I get 1227 which is not good at all I guess ( 887 in HQ ) although while I watch it play it doesn't seem choppy or slow at all (even in HQ). The only time it seems slow is when I first start it up it takes 2min to start the cut scenes.

Anyway here is what I think I have (not very computer savvy)


CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT (got this a few years back open box pretty cheap)
4 Gigs Ram (2 slots still left)

So I don't know how to check what my power supply is and the best I can describe the case is GIANT and blue... I think it was a Dell XPS something or other. Anyway I just wanted your opinion I would be willing to shell out $1000 or so for this. If I do have to repost this in the sticky is there anything else I should include? Im guessing my cooling and power are both waaaaay outdated, but should I crack my case open and try and find out what they are just in case?

Thanks in Advance
#2 Aug 13 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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Chances are you're looking at replacing motherboard/processor/GPU/power supply/RAM. You should be able to keep your HD, OS, and case. If your optical drive is a DVD-ROM or better, that's good too.

You should be able to replace them at a cost of $600 or more. $1000 is a workable budget to do this.
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#3 Aug 13 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Good
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Welll, it's a Pentium 4 processor which is pretty bad for modern gaming, and to upgrade that to something good you'd have to upgrade your motherboard and likewise your RAM... and the video card would need to be upgraded as well, so you might as well get a new one, if you're thinking about it.

For $1000 you should be able to get something easily capable of running the game very well. Someone else could probably give you better advice, but I'd say go for a quad-core (or higher) processor, a GeForce GTX 460, and 4gb+ DDR3 ram.
#4 Aug 13 2010 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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since you are willing to spend 1000
i will share what i just built with roughly 1200 on the below set up

23' wide screen monitor
a Full Tower
i7 930 bloomfield processor
OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo
EVGA GTX 470 video card
ASUS optical drive
1TB WD black drive
OCZ 850WATT Power Supply

i use the old keyboard/mouse/speakers.
so i would guess you could upgrade yours and have a decent pc

i scored 3200 on high, 4400 on low
nothing OC'ed. i'm happy, as someone said these scores are ok.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 2:32am by Mostaru
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#5 Aug 13 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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Assuming you can keep your hard/disc drives...

Cooler Master RC-690 & Windows 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437504.11-119-137
$149.98

Gigabyte Motherboard & Intel i5-750 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.462198
$304.99

Corsair 750 Watt Power Supply
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-750TX-750-Watt-Certified-compatible/dp/B000X2677A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1281318598&sr=8-1
$94.99

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150477
$294.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193
$95.99

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Total $940.94
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#6 Aug 13 2010 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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this is the Power Supply I got
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341003&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=404255&SID=148091
it was free shipping when i bought it
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#7 Aug 13 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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If ordering your parts on newegg make sure to check the combo's too. It's hit or miss if they have what you are looking for in a combo, but if they happen to package parts that you were already planning on buying you can get a nice chunk of change in savings. I found a combo with the CPU I was going to purchase packaged with the 4gs of ddr3 ram I was already planning to buy which saved me 30 dollars instantly. Then when I picked out my motherboard I noticed there was a combo that included WIN7 64bit homepremium another item I was gonna get, that saved me another 10 dollars. I was buying 2 of everything since I was upgrading both mine and my GF's comps. So there 80 dollars saved in a matter of maybe 5-10 minutes of browsing their combo deals!
I went the route of reusing my HD, optical drives, GPU and case and the 600 dollar figure is pretty much spot on if you are able to reuse some components. One thing that I experienced that you may have to keep in mind too is my new components put out quite a bit of heat compared to the older ones and my case was starting to feel like a space heater, but it was nothing a couple of case fans didn't fix. So you may want to think about having a plan to make sure your cooling needs will be met with higher quality parts in your case.
#8 Aug 13 2010 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Mostaru wrote:
since you are willing to spend 1000
i will share what i just built with roughly 1200 on the below set up

23' wide screen monitor
a Full Tower
i7 930 bloomfield processor
OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo
EVGA GTX 470 video card
ASUS optical drive
1TB WD black drive
OCZ 850WATT Power Supply


I had a bad experience with OCZ's DDR3 when I built my last PC. Ended up sending it back and replacing it with Gskill.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#9 Aug 13 2010 at 2:42 AM Rating: Good
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Lobivopis wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
since you are willing to spend 1000
i will share what i just built with roughly 1200 on the below set up

23' wide screen monitor
a Full Tower
i7 930 bloomfield processor
OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo
EVGA GTX 470 video card
ASUS optical drive
1TB WD black drive
OCZ 850WATT Power Supply


I had a bad experience with OCZ's DDR3 when I built my last PC. Ended up sending it back and replacing it with Gskill.


I've heard people have great experiences with OCZ, but I use GSkill too. Normally I have been a fan of Kingston and Corsair, but Mushkin and GSkill have served me well.
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#10 Aug 13 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks this has all been very helpful!

Now I just need to figure out how to put this crap together once I get it... and what to get (liking akirussan's idea because it requires less thinking on my part. I would probably mess it up anyway :P).

Looks like I may have to actually learn what these things do and how to gauge performance.
#11 Aug 14 2010 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
since you are willing to spend 1000
i will share what i just built with roughly 1200 on the below set up

23' wide screen monitor
a Full Tower
i7 930 bloomfield processor
OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo
EVGA GTX 470 video card
ASUS optical drive
1TB WD black drive
OCZ 850WATT Power Supply


I had a bad experience with OCZ's DDR3 when I built my last PC. Ended up sending it back and replacing it with Gskill.


I've heard people have great experiences with OCZ, but I use GSkill too. Normally I have been a fan of Kingston and Corsair, but Mushkin and GSkill have served me well.


I bought 8GB of "low voltage" 1333 DDR3 that OCZ was advertising as suitable for Core i5 (and by extension Lynfield i7's as well) for my 860 and it booted at 1066 (because that's what the spd was programmed for). It would not run at 1333 at 1.5v so I got on OCZ's support forums and they told me to run it at 1.6v and to overvolt the CPU.

The thing is, they were telling me to overvolt the memory and CPU beyond the safe limits for a Lynfield CPU. What's more they actually didn't know that Lynfield has lower voltage limits than Bloomfield.

They were selling "Core i5 ready" memory that really wasn't, and then telling people to overvolt their CPU and memory beyond what Intel says are the safe limits.

So at that point I was done with them and sent it back and replaced it with some real low voltage Gskill ECO (rated 1600 at 1.35v)

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 4:20am by Lobivopis
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#12 Aug 14 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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akirussan wrote:
Assuming you can keep your hard/disc drives...

Cooler Master RC-690 & Windows 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437504.11-119-137
$149.98

Gigabyte Motherboard & Intel i5-750 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.462198
$304.99

Corsair 750 Watt Power Supply
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-750TX-750-Watt-Certified-compatible/dp/B000X2677A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1281318598&sr=8-1
$94.99

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150477
$294.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231193
$95.99

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Total $940.94


I think the power supply might be a bit overkill for that system.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

I'm using that PSU on an i7 860 with a 5850 and the power requirements are well below what that PSU can supply. I've been using Antec PSUs for years now and have never had any problems with them.



Edited, Aug 14th 2010 4:36am by Lobivopis
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#13 Aug 14 2010 at 1:32 AM Rating: Good
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Lobivopis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
since you are willing to spend 1000
i will share what i just built with roughly 1200 on the below set up

23' wide screen monitor
a Full Tower
i7 930 bloomfield processor
OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo
EVGA GTX 470 video card
ASUS optical drive
1TB WD black drive
OCZ 850WATT Power Supply


I had a bad experience with OCZ's DDR3 when I built my last PC. Ended up sending it back and replacing it with Gskill.


I've heard people have great experiences with OCZ, but I use GSkill too. Normally I have been a fan of Kingston and Corsair, but Mushkin and GSkill have served me well.


I bought 8GB of "low voltage" 1333 DDR3 that OCZ was advertising as suitable for Core i5 (and by extension Lynfield i7's as well) for my 860 and it booted at 1066 (because that's what the spd was programmed for). It would not run at 1333 at 1.5v so I got on OCZ's support forums and they told me to run it at 1.6v and to overvolt the CPU.

The thing is, they were telling me to overvolt the memory and CPU beyond the safe limits for a Lynfield CPU. What's more they actually didn't know that Lynfield has lower voltage limits than Bloomfield.

They were selling "Core i5 ready" memory that really wasn't, and then telling people to overvolt their CPU and memory beyond what Intel says are the safe limits.

So at that point I was done with them and sent it back and replaced it with some real low voltage Gskill ECO (rated 1600 at 1.35v)

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 4:20am by Lobivopis


O.o ****. I've never heard of problems with their memory but that's a horrible support issue.
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#14 Aug 14 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
since you are willing to spend 1000
i will share what i just built with roughly 1200 on the below set up

23' wide screen monitor
a Full Tower
i7 930 bloomfield processor
OCZ 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM
EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo
EVGA GTX 470 video card
ASUS optical drive
1TB WD black drive
OCZ 850WATT Power Supply


I had a bad experience with OCZ's DDR3 when I built my last PC. Ended up sending it back and replacing it with Gskill.


I've heard people have great experiences with OCZ, but I use GSkill too. Normally I have been a fan of Kingston and Corsair, but Mushkin and GSkill have served me well.


I bought 8GB of "low voltage" 1333 DDR3 that OCZ was advertising as suitable for Core i5 (and by extension Lynfield i7's as well) for my 860 and it booted at 1066 (because that's what the spd was programmed for). It would not run at 1333 at 1.5v so I got on OCZ's support forums and they told me to run it at 1.6v and to overvolt the CPU.

The thing is, they were telling me to overvolt the memory and CPU beyond the safe limits for a Lynfield CPU. What's more they actually didn't know that Lynfield has lower voltage limits than Bloomfield.

They were selling "Core i5 ready" memory that really wasn't, and then telling people to overvolt their CPU and memory beyond what Intel says are the safe limits.

So at that point I was done with them and sent it back and replaced it with some real low voltage Gskill ECO (rated 1600 at 1.35v)

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 4:20am by Lobivopis


O.o ****. I've never heard of problems with their memory but that's a horrible support issue.


Also shady advertising.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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