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#1 Aug 13 2010 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys, new to the site but thoroughly enjoys the info and the forum community so far. Just ordered a new Asus G73JH after browsing through all the computer building/upgrade and benchmark threads, now wondering what extras I need for the experience. (already got preordered CE)

I played FFxi for over 2 years and always used Keyboard/Mouse. However, I had friends who performed well with a USB controller of some sort and my burning question is pretty much wanting some feedback on the pros cons of controller vs keyboard and if any beta testers took the time for some fresh air could also help with inputs regarding any advantage one way or another in xiv (if SE added any).

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#2 Aug 13 2010 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
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this isn't going to be anything like FFXI, people need to realize this.

This is closer to a WoW / EQ type of gameplay so your best bet is to stick with the good ol' keyboard and mouse.
#3 Aug 13 2010 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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Take it from a beta player, they have added mouse support in a WoWish fashion but I find the sensitivity/lag of the mouse is different among systems right now. Mine isn't smooth AT ALL so I prefer to stick to keyboard only or controller.

That said, of the two, I prefer controller right now except that I have to put it down to chat and that there's a bit of a bug in the local leve and skill menus that makes me grab the mouse for a second.

This games was truly designed for the controller with two analogs, but it also works out well on the keyboard if your willing to play with one hand on "ASDW" for walking and one on "JKLI" for camera control. It's a little cramped but gives fast access to all functions and typing/chatting too. Personally I find it's uncomfortable to have my hands so close, so I use the controller.

The EASIEST way to use a controller (for windows) is buy some cheap Logitech PC controller with an identical button setup or a WIRED XBOX360 controller as drivers for these will be easily available on a professional level. If you want to use a PS3 controller MotionJoy drivers work well enough but can be a bit finicky to activate, especially on a 64-bit system (vista/or 7) because they are unsigned.

After your PC recognizes that the controller exists the FFXIV beta config lets you map all the buttons just the way you want. I LOVE playing Via controller most.
#4 Aug 13 2010 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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tweezle are you clicking the buttons to use your abilities?
#5 Aug 13 2010 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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PandhaBear wrote:
this isn't going to be anything like FFXI, people need to realize this.

This is closer to a WoW / EQ type of gameplay so your best bet is to stick with the good ol' keyboard and mouse.


Incorrect. Your best bet is whatever you feel more comfortable with. It's the same development team, therefore you can expect that gamepad will no doubt feel more natural in the end and from what I seen and heard..it does.
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Looking at the base UI for FF14 and the faster pace of combat, adapting to said changes would make more sense than using the slower reaction based FF11 type of gameplay.

Sure you can get by with the old method but if you want to play at a faster pace to keep pace with the changes of the game, better off going with the WASD + 1-9 (ctrl/shift/alt) for managing your character movement + ability/spells, and the mouse to change direction.

Also keep in mind it's more about rotations than macros and gearswaps, and with the expected faster pace of later gameplay is going to most likely require a bit more reaction. It's not going to be at any kind of WoW breakneck speeds to keep up but you won't be able to attack and go read a chapter of a book before you need to come back to make any significant decisions on the fight.

If you couldn't care less about personal proficiency do what you want
#7 Aug 13 2010 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
If it controls close enough to FFXI (without the need of a mouse) then I will probably re-invest in a wireless keyboard.
#8 Aug 13 2010 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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tyvm for the response, its exactly what i'm looking for. I've been a WoWer for the past 5 yr so I'm seriously getting tired of the keyboard position so I believe I'll be taking the wired xbox360 advice and playing the game that way. Either way I'll have the luxury of a smooth controller or the rigid all-in-one function of the keyboard.

Much appreciated folks

Although, I'd be new to controller>>FF

How do most folks assign their buttons? like console FFx style or ?

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 9:22am by Orangejoose
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#9 Aug 13 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Orangejoose wrote:
tyvm for the response, its exactly what i'm looking for. I've been a WoWer for the past 5 yr so I'm seriously getting tired of the keyboard position so I believe I'll be taking the wired xbox360 advice and playing the game that way. Either way I'll have the luxury of a smooth controller or the rigid all-in-one function of the keyboard.

Much appreciated folks

Although, I'd be new to controller>>FF

How do most folks assign their buttons? like console FFx style or ?

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 9:22am by Orangejoose


I designed it Classic FF/FFXI style with some changes since FFXIV will have a few system differences over XI where you'll want to use all buttons. But like XI, there will probably be an action or two you don't really need mapped to your controller, wait till you get your hands on the config to see what you will do.
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tweezle are you clicking the buttons to use your abilities?


You'll have to be more clear with your question, I'm not having any trouble using anything I equip. Its the menus where you add abilities to the bar that isn't working properly on controller (gotta use mouse)

somehow "X" does NOT = Left click. (when set to "Confirm/enter")
#11 Aug 13 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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found another controller vs keyboard glitch:

When trying to equip arrows the "fill quiver" (or whatever its named) is broken right now, so when I went to manually equip the arrows to my pouch it wouldn't work either. But if I do it with my mouse and not my controller i can equip the arrows. weird.
#12 Aug 13 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
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You'll have to be more clear with your question, I'm not having any trouble using anything I equip. Its the menus where you add abilities to the bar that isn't working properly on controller (gotta use mouse)

somehow "X" does NOT = Left click. (when set to "Confirm/enter")


/facepalm

When you want to use an attack, are you pressing the number that correlates to that ability/skill, or are you dragging your mouse over every ability on your "action bar" to use said ability/skill?
#13 Aug 13 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Tweezle120 wrote:
PandhaBear wrote:
tweezle are you clicking the buttons to use your abilities?


You'll have to be more clear with your question, I'm not having any trouble using anything I equip. Its the menus where you add abilities to the bar that isn't working properly on controller (gotta use mouse)

somehow "X" does NOT = Left click. (when set to "Confirm/enter")


Yeah, according to some people it's basically SE trying to get everyone to provide feedback on how the mouse controls are, otherwise phase 2 beta it worked fine.
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#14 Aug 13 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Well from what I've read there are some people who say controller is the most comfortable gaming(Also because they said the camera movement with mouse was awkward), but I plan to use the keyboard/mouse and switch if it is really bad.

#15 Aug 13 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean, the keyboard FFxi classic of Num 8, 2, 4, 6, for Up, Down, Left, Right then adding then arrows for camera was awkward but one can get used to it (at least that's how i remembered it). But I definitely agree a controller's dual joystick would be so much easier for movement and camera viewing. The thing that makes me go ??? is how they manage to translate "Ctrl+1"~"Ctrl+0" etc into buttons. I'm assuming classic FFvi style of drop down menus?
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#16 Aug 13 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Panda, your facepalm is for naught, I am not talking about having trouble with using abilities.

1. I am not using the mouse OR keyboard to play, I am using a controller (PS3 controller)
(except for chatting, then I use keyboard, and some glitched menus I must use mouse for)

2. I am not having trouble attacking anything or actually using any skills. What doesn't work is using the control to put skills onto the action bar from the abilities/traits menu. but I can operate the menu correctly with a mouse.

With a CONTROLLER:
I got to abilities/traits
I click the empty square on my action bar
I go to the drop down menu to select the types of skills I want to see
I highlight bow/archer and I hit "X"
Nothing happens or appears.

With a MOUSE:
I got to abilities/traits
I click the empty square on my action bar
I go to the drop down menu to select the types of skills I want to see
I hover over bow/archer and I hit "Left-click"
The list populates with my known archer skills.

Mistress Theonehio wrote:
Yeah, according to some people it's basically SE trying to get everyone to provide feedback on how the mouse controls are, otherwise phase 2 beta it worked fine.


I would like to think they did not break the controller controls just to force me to test the mouse, I mean they could have just asked! I'm assuming this "break" is an unintended side effect of implementing new controls. however SE doesn't let Phase 3 testers post on their forums so i can't give them the feedback.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 12:49pm by Tweezle120
#17 Aug 13 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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So 1 hour into the beta, I parked myself by an aetheryte* took off to grab some quick bites and a wireless USB generic brand PS3 controller from wal-mart.

The controller is definitely more sleek and streamlined with the movements ingame and so far one can remap the controller buttons but not the keyboard buttons.

I'd most definitely use controller for everything except chatting now and I highly recommend it to anyone who was also in the same boat as me.
#18 Aug 13 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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SE is currently working on keyboard functionality.
Play however you feel most comfortable. Everything will be optimized for however you prefer at release.
Simply because controller is better 'right now' doesn't mean it'll stay that way. In fact, for certain it won't.
#19 Aug 13 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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PandhaBear wrote:
this isn't going to be anything like FFXI, people need to realize this.

This is closer to a WoW / EQ type of gameplay so your best bet is to stick with the good ol' keyboard and mouse.


I just had my first chance to actually play the beta tonight on a friend's account, and my recommendation to any one is to get a controller.

The game play is nothing like WoW or EQ.
#20 Aug 13 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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PandhaBear wrote:
tweezle are you clicking the buttons to use your abilities?


I don't know why this was defaulted, but a lot of people (including myself at times) click buttons insteads of using the faster (and prefered) method of hitting he assigned key. I did it in WAR I did it in WoW and I did it in EVE. Honestly though EVE was the only game where I noticed a substantial difference between the mouse and keyboard.

My ex used to manualy heal with the PS2 controller in XI, I tried to show her Macros, but you know what? Some how she was dropping cures to the right people at the right time almost all the time.

Different people play in different ways, unless a person consistantly fails you... who cares how they do it?

I know I can't notice a millisecond of difference. I know plenty of times in XI where a parser was showing me doing amazing DMG as a THF, and in those instances the PT was not always benefiting. Why? Because the parser can't show how I controlled hate or how fast I pulled without links or or or or... get it?
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#21 Aug 13 2010 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Just wondering, maybe this is a stupid question, but I was one of the few people that actually typed with the on screen keyboard in FFXI.
Is there a similar feature in FFXIV?

I just was lazy and put off getting a keyboard and got really fast at it.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 8:19pm by Osanshouo
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Osanshouo wrote:
Just wondering, maybe this is a stupid question, but I was one of the few people that actually typed with the on screen keyboard in FFXI.
Is there a similar feature in FFXIV?

I just was lazy and put off getting a keyboard and got really fast at it.

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 8:19pm by Osanshouo


Haha, that drive me nuts, glad you got used to it though. Couldnt stand it myself, bought a usb keyboard for my ps2 to play it.
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#23 Aug 13 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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No one ever believes it till they see it or hear me clacking away with the buttons on vent or skype.
Then the jokes begin lol. ._.;

Edited, Aug 13th 2010 8:26pm by Osanshouo
#24 Aug 14 2010 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wondering, maybe this is a stupid question, but I was one of the few people that actually typed with the on screen keyboard in FFXI.
Is there a similar feature in FFXIV?


So far I havn't seen nor found such functionality but there are still Kanji-ed Text in the Config Menu claiming "Not Yet Translated" so I'm sure there's a placeholder somewhere for it
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#25 Aug 14 2010 at 4:36 AM Rating: Good
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can you change button use?
if yes than change camera button from J.K.H.U to arrow up down left and right
than you can play ffxi in one hands ( right hands )
( use your 4 fingers to move, open menu, enter, auto run and use your big finger to change camera )
( left hand for tab, esc, macro)
#26 Aug 14 2010 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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can you change button use?


No, as of phase 3 beta, only GamePad can be remapped so Circle does etc, Square does etc.
Keyboard is completely rigid and locked at the moment and I saw what Tweezle mentioned in the skills tab, the controller "clicking" of the drop down menu gets ignored by the interface but the mouse "clicking" of the drop down menu is recognized.

Otherwise controller and keyboard functionality are on par with controller's joysticks offers smoother movement instead of multiple face-plants into walls while turning.
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