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#1 Aug 14 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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First and foremost I was a FFXI player in 2004-2006. I had a 75 smn,blu,blm,brd. I am currently rank 12 conjurer in the beta and I tried partying for the first time. We 3 took a guildleve and set it on 3 stars difficulty. The enemies we faced came in 3's and we all realized how difficult targeting can be. Targeting party members is also difficult. In FFXI, u would hit cure and click a party member's name. In FFXIV, this is nonexistent. You must cycle using tab. Tab is also used to target mobs so keep that in mind. Lastly, cures are small radius AoEs making it annoying when someone moves. Stoneskin is the same way. Overall, I am not comfortable with the battle mechanic/system of FFXIV. It is too clumsy and easy to make errors leading to deaths. For example, you are trying to target a different mob (they come in groups sometimes) and lets say ur in a rush and need to do it fast and so u tab and hit 1. OOPS, you just used ur instant attack on a sheep and now it comes and kill u.

It is hard to explain without actually playing it urself. Does anyone else in beta agree about the battle system/targeting?
#2 Aug 14 2010 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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Is it possible to set hot keys to select part members? Like F1 for yourself?
#3 Aug 14 2010 at 7:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Imaboomer wrote:
In FFXI, u would hit cure and click a party member's name. In FFXIV, this is nonexistent. You must cycle using tab. Tab is also used to target mobs so keep that in mind.


Why would you do that? O.o Good healers did it one of three ways:

1) <p0> <p1> <p2> etc, with one macro for each party member
2) <stpc> and either tab or press F1-F6
3) F1-F6 and then a <t> macro.

The thing about XI was, any good player just completely disregarded the mouse's existence. I've never heard of any good healer in XI clicking on a party member's name.
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#4 Aug 14 2010 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
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I agree Mik. I was a little confused. It really doesnt make sense to click a specific party member whos jumbled in a group of 4 other members and 3 mobs.
#5 Aug 14 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Imaboomer wrote:
In FFXI, u would hit cure and click a party member's name. In FFXIV, this is nonexistent. You must cycle using tab. Tab is also used to target mobs so keep that in mind.


Why would you do that? O.o Good healers did it one of three ways:

1) <p0> <p1> <p2> etc, with one macro for each party member
2) <stpc> and either tab or press F1-F6
3) F1-F6 and then a <t> macro.

The thing about XI was, any good player just completely disregarded the mouse's existence. I've never heard of any good healer in XI clicking on a party member's name.
I did it by just typing out

//cure5 p5
//cure5 somedood
//cure5 som

(SpellCast would auto-complete the name if there is only one remaining person in range with a name that starts with "Som")

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#6 Aug 14 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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wait so macroing <p0> <p1> <p2> <p3> <p4> is f1 f2 f3 f4??
#7 Aug 14 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
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Just out of curiosity, have you tried crt+tab - in many games that cycles through only friendly players.

Also, what about the F# keys? What do they do, if anything, if they dont target?
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#8 Aug 14 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
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geotrick wrote:
wait so macroing <p0> <p1> <p2> <p3> <p4> is f1 f2 f3 f4??


<p0> = <me> (F1)
<p1> = the first person under your name (F2)
<p2> = the person under them (F3)

etc etc
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#9 Aug 14 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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And if i remember, F8 would target the closest NPC. Which came in handy when needing to target a Moogle who was completely surrounded by other players who wanted eggs too. :)

So, maybe there's a function key that target the party leader's target? That would keep everyone on the same mob. I know I've read dev interviews where they state this as being one of the goals they have that they wanted to reach before release. I'd say you need to make a post on the beta forum.

Also, I played on PS2 with a keyboard/controller thingy that Logitech made. I did everything for my RDM by using macros. Trying to pick people out with the party list was really annoying. I just changed the <p#> to reflect whomever i needed to refresh. You could cycle macros with the R2/L2 buttons as well, and I used them quite a bit.

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 7:21pm by LebargeX

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 7:24pm by LebargeX
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#10 Aug 14 2010 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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so lets use some examples..

say you wanted to cast cure on yourself when in battle?

<p0> Cure

would that cast cure on me? or how do u set it up?

or-----------

How do you set it up so it targets people in your party specifically who you want?

i tried
<p0>
<p0> (f1)
<p0> me
dunno how to make it so it targets ? could you explain please :D

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 10:47pm by geotrick
#11 Aug 14 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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Ya, they definitely need to fix the controls in that regard. I feel like they will by the time it's released.
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#12 Aug 14 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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so lets use some examples..

say you wanted to cast cure on yourself when in battle?

<p0> Cure

would that cast cure on me? or how do u set it up?

or-----------

How do you set it up so it targets people in your party specifically who you want?

i tried
<p0>
<p0> (f1)
<p0> me
dunno how to make it so it targets ? could you explain please :D


The people in your party screen where it shows there HP/MP are numbered for example
1 = <p1> yourself
2 = <p2> tank
3 = <p3> mage
4 = <p4> mage
5 = <p5> DD
6 = <p6> DD

So you could put in your macro <p2> /ma cure. If you assign this macro to the ALT 1 macro, firing this macro will cure your tank. Or mapping <p3> /ma refresh to ALT 2, causes that mage to get refresh.

Mikhalia may be right with numbers where <p0> is you... i don't remember, it's been about 5 yrs+ since I played.

<me> targets self also

I also recommend changing your chat filters so that all your "effect has worn off" messages are in red, but nothing else is :)

EDIT: I always had an entire set of macros on the CTRL set that were all for <me>. Since I primarily used them for solo play as RDM.


Edited, Aug 14th 2010 8:09pm by LebargeX

Edited, Aug 14th 2010 8:11pm by LebargeX
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#13 Aug 14 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Default
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i see so is there a way to target mobs faster? perhaps a certain button?
#14 Aug 14 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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LebargeX wrote:
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so lets use some examples..

say you wanted to cast cure on yourself when in battle?

<p0> Cure

would that cast cure on me? or how do u set it up?

or-----------

How do you set it up so it targets people in your party specifically who you want?

i tried
<p0>
<p0> (f1)
<p0> me
dunno how to make it so it targets ? could you explain please :D


The people in your party screen where it shows there HP/MP are numbered for example
1 = <p1> yourself
2 = <p2> tank
3 = <p3> mage
4 = <p4> mage
5 = <p5> DD
6 = <p6> DD

So you could put in your macro <p2> /ma cure. If you assign this macro to the ALT 1 macro, firing this macro will cure your tank. Or mapping <p3> /ma refresh to ALT 2, causes that mage to get refresh.

Mikhalia may be right with numbers where <p0> is you... i don't remember, it's been about 5 yrs+ since I played.

<me> targets self also

I also recommend changing your chat filters so that all your "effect has worn off" messages are in red, but nothing else is :)

EDIT: I always had an entire set of macros on the CTRL set that were all for <me>. Since I primarily used them for solo play as RDM.


<p0> is you. <p1> is the person under you, etc up to <p5> who is the 6th member of your party.

Then it's <a10> through <a15> for the 6 members of the middle party and <a20> through <a25> for the third alliance party, although these were less frequently used.


And you have the order wrong too:

/ma Cure <p0>
/ma "Cure V" <p1>
/ma "Cure III" <p4>

etc.

/ma is magic spell
Spell name needs to be in quotes if it has a space in it.
then <p#>
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#15 Aug 14 2010 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the correction, Mik. Like I said, it's been a L O N G time lol :)
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#16 Aug 14 2010 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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geotrick wrote:
i see so is there a way to target mobs faster? perhaps a certain button?


In XIV, I don't know; all this I said applied to XI.

Would be nice if XIV was the same way though.
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#17 Aug 14 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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All the controls aren't implemented yet. Or at least we hope this is the case. I would suggest waiting until release to see what the control scheme will actually be.

Personally, i don't have much of a problem using the controls. Using a gamepad has made it all really easy.

Also, as the macro system is right now, i only know how to set a macro to heal myself only.

/action Cure <me>
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According to Osarion in IRC there are a lot of different commands that are supposed to be added soon.
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#19 Aug 14 2010 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
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so lets use some examples..

say you wanted to cast cure on yourself when in battle?

<p0> Cure

would that cast cure on me? or how do u set it up?

or-----------

How do you set it up so it targets people in your party specifically who you want?

i tried
<p0>
<p0> (f1)
<p0> me
dunno how to make it so it targets ? could you explain please :D


The people in your party screen where it shows there HP/MP are numbered for example
1 = <p1> yourself
2 = <p2> tank
3 = <p3> mage
4 = <p4> mage
5 = <p5> DD
6 = <p6> DD

So you could put in your macro <p2> /ma cure. If you assign this macro to the ALT 1 macro, firing this macro will cure your tank. Or mapping <p3> /ma refresh to ALT 2, causes that mage to get refresh.

Mikhalia may be right with numbers where <p0> is you... i don't remember, it's been about 5 yrs+ since I played.

<me> targets self also

I also recommend changing your chat filters so that all your "effect has worn off" messages are in red, but nothing else is :)

EDIT: I always had an entire set of macros on the CTRL set that were all for <me>. Since I primarily used them for solo play as RDM.


<p0> is you. <p1> is the person under you, etc up to <p5> who is the 6th member of your party.

Then it's <a10> through <a15> for the 6 members of the middle party and <a20> through <a25> for the third alliance party, although these were less frequently used.


And you have the order wrong too:

/ma Cure <p0>
/ma "Cure V" <p1>
/ma "Cure III" <p4>

etc.

/ma is magic spell
Spell name needs to be in quotes if it has a space in it.
then <p#>


I have always found it easier to just use <stpc>. Takes up a lot less macro room also.
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#20 Aug 14 2010 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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to each their own - the /ma cure <p#> method involved pressing fewer buttons
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Olorinus wrote:
to each their own - the /ma cure <p#> method involved pressing fewer buttons


Sure, works great when you have cure 1 and 2. Not so much at level 80 with 6 different cure spells, 4 curagas, buffs and so on. Could you imagine having a cure macro for every party member for three different cures? That's just crazy! D:
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#22 Aug 14 2010 at 11:04 PM Rating: Good
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I liked the p# method for cures and <stpc> for haste/refresh/regen/-na.
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#23 Aug 14 2010 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Sage wrote: I liked the p# method for cures and <stpc> for haste/refresh/regen/-na.


What does 'stpc' mean?

Looks like all of us need to revisit a week prior to the game being finalized on release date. I am already a bit confused how you cure folks (since I havent played ff11 nor got beta invitation)
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<stpc> is a target flag that means Select Target Player Character. It will allow you to tab through all of the pcs close enough to target, excluding mobs and NPCs
#25 Aug 15 2010 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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Hulan wrote:
<stpc> is a target flag that means Select Target Player Character. It will allow you to tab through all of the pcs close enough to target, excluding mobs and NPCs


And of course <stnpc> is the same, but for non players.
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#26 Aug 15 2010 at 12:50 AM Rating: Default
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didnt even work

/ma Cure <p0>

copied it exactly and it didnt cast cure =/

oo its /action cure <me> since its an action skill

oooo

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 2:53am by geotrick
#27 Aug 15 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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The F keys have no function at the moment.
Cures in FFXIV are AOE (Area of effect) spells with a small radius. Right now, you must select the target and then use cure spell and then hit enter for the spell to go off. If you click cure and then select a target you will end up targeting yourself and it then does not let u go back to the previous target. You either hit escape 2 times to cancel or use it on urself.

FFXIV does not use FFXI's control a lot. The arrow keys no longer function as camera control. It is something like i,o,p,l now.

What SE needs to address: everyone has complained of the mouse cursor lag. Some said its because FFXIV is using software mouse and doesnt have hardware mouse option to decrease input lag. It is very bad, for example if you move ur cursor over ur action bar, it jitters across. Doesn't lag anywhere else aside from menu selections being slow too but not sure if thats intended. Its just annoying. For example, when u level up and u add points to your stats, its a chore. Clicking 20 times at a rate of .5-1 second each is annoying. Then you repeat that for elemental resistance stat points.

My biggest annoyance: Okay this is what gets me off so much. When you learn new skills you must go to a menu option and add those skills to your action bar. You click an empty box, then click the ability, then click main hand. After that, it takes TOO long before it actually goes into the slot. More annoying is you must click "Conjurer abilities" and wait for it to load before u can even do anything. Theres seconds of delay for a lot of things that add up to create a impatient feeling inside.

About the battle system itself: I was in a party of 4, who were all FFXI fans. We all found the battle system to be "okay." But okay isnt good enough, we thought FFXI had the better system. Exp camping is gone, resting is gone, MP must be done via aether or 30minute ability. Sure the pace is fast, but is spamming "1" on ur keyboard any different from auto-attack?

FFXIV is pretty good, we all loved the graphics. Actually, we think thats the best part of the game. For me personally the music is okay. I am not an expert on music but theres too much of that electric guitar(??). In FFXI, the trumpet(??) was dominant in the battle songs. It had that cold, heart-pumping feel to it. So far, the music is not as impressive as FFXI.

Additional thoughts: There is no /check button!!! When you click on a person all you see is their health bar. Here is the annoying part, you have to go through menu>party>party detail to see their rank/physical level. This wastes ur time because of the delay after each click.

In the end, I'm still getting the game. :)
Edit: Oh and 3D doesnt work yet. AMD Phenom x6 1090T 3.6ghz, 4gb ram, gtx 480. Lags in city when running. It sometimes jitters and then smooths out. Playing on near-max, no AA, no ambient occ, no field depth, 1920x1080. Doesnt lag much elsewhere, sometimes when running across zone you encounter a short jitter (its one seamless large zone).

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 3:15am by Imaboomer
#28 Aug 15 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Good
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geotrick wrote:
didnt even work

/ma Cure <p0>

copied it exactly and it didnt cast cure =/

oo its /action cure <me> since its an action skill

oooo

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 2:53am by geotrick


I said like two or three times that I was talking about XI.

Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
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i see so is there a way to target mobs faster? perhaps a certain button?


In XIV, I don't know; all this I said applied to XI.

Would be nice if XIV was the same way though.
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#29 Aug 15 2010 at 1:23 AM Rating: Default
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woops xD

well yah same here, but i use Ambient Occlusion. it makes the game look so freakin good. the walls are colored and niceee.

8xqMSAA is on as well for me. i use 2 480gtx overclocked 850/2256. But sli doesnt work now so i do get like 15-25fps =\

But everyone is maxed out. With Sli it should run noo swet. I7 920 @ 4.2ghz so no bottlenecks. hopefully smooth sailing @_@
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