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#1 Aug 15 2010 at 3:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Greetings to all,

I'm sitting at work, not wanting to actually do anything constructive, so i go through the forums, reading someone's rant or someone else speculations. I suddenly think to myself, why are people so eager to get a beta key. From one ironic perspective, I have been at that spot. Constantly refreshing my mail hoping to see a beta key, until one day I gave up. When I told this story to a friend of mine, he said the magical words, "you can have my beta for FFXIV account". So now I’ve been playing and testing the game since Beta Phase 3.

Now I’ve been thinking about this, I love the Final Fantasy Franchise; I’ve been in love with FFXIV ever since NA release. All those golden moments i spent with my friends and family there have been burnt in my memory and will stay there forever.

I want the same experience except Next-Gen, so FFXIV is generally recommended for a person like me. Yet playing an incomplete game will nowhere near give you that kind of feeling. Yes you can test, Yes you can play, but no matter how open minded you are you can't be immersed like you'd hope to be. A beta test of a game is NOT a demo, if you have the mindset that says "I want to play this now, to experience what it has to offer" you will be let down, as developers will implement specific systems on purpose which needs to be tested so they can fully deliver their game.

And then, when you successfully win that pie eating contest to get a beta key, what’s the first thing you do? You download the beta client and play. What happens a week after you play and notice that a lot of things need to be adjusted? "Oh My God, This is unplayable" - you start seeing people on the beta forums saying "good bye FFXIV" or such emotional rants about an incomplete game or what not.

In the end, the message that I'm trying to deliver to you is that; if you DO get a beta client, don't expect to be playing the game for fun, as I said before it’s an incomplete test of a game. Please be constructive to the game if you are really eager to play it properly, give the developers your concerns and post the bugs you encounter without ranting about them. If you had fun playing the Final Fantasy Franchise so far have faith in the developers and help them make a good game, a game that you can call your own, and officially say "I helped make the game what it is today"

Please, let me know what you think about my thoughts on the beta key giveaway's that are happening.

Do people what the key just to play, or do you think they want to be constructive? What would you be doing if you do get the beta invite?

Why can’t people wait till the official release? Is it the suspense? Is it the lack of information about the game?

Do you think that people are aware that it is an incomplete game at the moment?

I would love to see what people think about this =) so please no flaming, it’s just an article!
#2 Aug 15 2010 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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I wish more people understood what you were saying. All the whining about it makes it pretty clear that a lot of people were expecting the beta to be a demo.

Honestly, if someone thinks a beta is a demo, and they're going to quit because they don't understand the difference, then they probably wouldn't have been a good asset to a party or linkshell anyway.
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#3 Aug 15 2010 at 3:30 AM Rating: Good
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Greetings to you, CrossCounters.

I think there are a great deal of people that think the beta is a "play the game early for free" thing (and have also probably never participated in a beta). To most of these people, what they see in the beta is what they think the retail will be. What they seem to be unable/unwilling to grasp is that the word test is in there for a reason. Then they come to forums like this and post things like "Zomg FFXIV sucks!"

I really feel that there are people out there looking to help SE out and give them the suggestions and feedback that is needed. Those are the people that should be in the beta. I'm glad you're one of them.
#4 Aug 15 2010 at 3:32 AM Rating: Good
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I think most people say the right things on the surface, "Yeah it's a beta and that's for testing." Though a lot of them don't hide their true thoughts very well because their reactions & the details of their posts say the opposite. Treating it like a demo. I think it's entertaining to watch the reactions and see people scrambling for a beta key. Even joining multiple sites, some requiring money, just for a chance at a key. And I like reading what people have to say about the game, but I don't like people deciding it's failure or success before the game actually comes out. That makes me want to be in the beta myself, both to help with the testing & to see if some of the stuff I've read has merit or not. Many seem to be overreacting too positively or negatively. I can't believe those people 100% until I see it myself. I'm perfectly fine with waiting until September 22nd though, not too much longer.
#5 Aug 15 2010 at 4:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thank you for your feedback on this, I really appreciate the maturity =)

The thing is; specially in MMO's from my experience, is that it is exactly like a living organism, (in a way) once the game is being developed, it goes through tests (just like when mothers go to their gynecologist for checkups on the baby's health) once the game is delivered, it is still or partially incomplete,( when a baby is born, they are more prone to fevers and ill health due to their new immune system) a lot of bugs still occur even after the game is launched.

It takes time for the game to mature, and the in game economy to be established and maintained, ( the child is growing up until the legal age) in an MMO's case id say that is about 6 months to a year after launch. once that tough period is passed (puberty can be hard for anyone...lol) then the game becomes great.

FFXI was a good example of this - it was released a year before the NA and the rest of the world, they ironed out the greater deal of the bugs, balanced out some stuff and the game became very well playable.

you cant judge a baby's personality when its still in its mothers womb now can you? same thing here, you cant judge the game until its released.

the best time to judge a person (if your the judgmental type) is when they are of legal age, as at that time, they are aware and know how the world works and have finally established a social life of some sort.

same with MMO, judge it when its mature (6-12 months from now),

I hope what I'm trying to say is understood and not taken the wrong way

=) looking forward for your thoughts
#6 Aug 15 2010 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest, the only reason I've ever wanted to get into the beta is so I can help to make a better, more complete game upon release. I want to see how the developer's envision the game (and beta is a great place to see this) and try to help bring that vision to life in a way that is enjoyable for the players and practical for the developers. I wanna find all the little bugs I can and try to help give the game that "polished" look and feel that everyone talks so much about. I'm eager to help SE in any way I can, but I'll be just as happy if I can play a good game on release.
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#7 Aug 15 2010 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
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Do people what the key just to play, or do you think they want to be constructive? What would you be doing if you do get the beta invite?

I think they just want the key to play, for some its that carrot hanging in front of them that mommy nor daddy can deliver. Once they see there's nothing they can do, and it's all on fate they begin the rage process.

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Why can’t people wait till the official release? Is it the suspense? Is it the lack of information about the game?
Again, "Daddy I want it now, I want a squirrel NOW!" Veruca Salt... I think it's the I gotta see what this is about. I gotta be in there because I want to be. Sure you'll get "I'm an asset to beta testing I've reported xxxx number of bugs..." but in reality they get there and start ranting about the beta being 'unplayable'. Then come here with what they have experienced getting everyone in the tribe worked into a frenzy because a particular portion of the beta was closed to them.

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Do you think that people are aware that it is an incomplete game at the moment?
Nope, most are adolescents running around with blinders on and their cell phone upside their heads. They have no clue and can't understand why they are not able to "Play" this game yet...
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#8 Aug 15 2010 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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I was watching someone stream their beta play. The streamer actually has 2 beta accounts somehow. He went on a huge tirade about the game being TOO solo based and that he felt he'd be paying to play a single player game that let him talk to his friends. He also thought the "48 hour" cool down on guildleves were excessive.

Not once did he take into consideration that S-E pumped up the exp rate so everyone could go to different zones and do high level stuff. Nor did he comprehend that the huge cooldown on the guildleves were likely so people didn't just sit there grinding on quests, and rather tried out the crafting system or that exploring thing that so many MMORPGs try to get players to do.

This is leading me to think a huge portion of the beta testers are likely expecting this to be a demo, as was said earlier. Many only pounced on it because they saw BETA in the title and figured they'd get a free game to play. I really don't see a good portion of beta testers going on to actually buy this game.

The multiple people that do stream their beta playing, also don't take into consideration that S-E is probably giving them an older version to play while they fine tune the opening day patch that will need to be downloaded.


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#9 Aug 15 2010 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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The beta-key giveaways are a double edged sword, really. Anyone who gets a beta key through a third party website via gimmicky means isn't really being screened for testing competency. Not that it's a bad thing; because at the later phases of development, any type of beta is going to closely emulate (key word emphasized) a game 'demo' which offers people a sneak peak of various game mechanics. So I submit that people getting these keys are going to serve more of a purpose sharing their enthusiasm for the game, rather than give developers any guidance/feedback. This offers great visibility to any company wishing to get 'word of mouth' about a product out to the community.

Problem is (and I totally agree with you on this) is that people will wrongly hold it up to scrutiny like it is supposed to be a finished product. Any way you slice it, it really just boils down to managing expectations of the players; but at the same time, MMO players are one of the most fickle subset of gamers out there. How do you manage a community like that? People have been burned with so many 'promising' game releases that have fallen flat on their face soon after going live. I can kind of see why people react the way they do.

Personally, I want to see the game, play with the settings a bit, get a feel for the mechanics and freedom of character customization. I haven't really heard a lot of information about job abilities and how you can mix and match them to your tastes. I've heard little tidbits like not all abilities can be shared, and that cooldowns can be affected from equipping abilities on one job to the next. Really, a good amount of the game is unknown to me, so I suppose it's my curiosity that is drawing me in. Perhaps I can sneak in some last minute contributions in there, like reporting some bugged items, mob pathing issues, potential exploits, etc. Thing is, it's hard to imagine being the first to identify any issue that hasn't already been reported by other folks.

Anyways, that's my take on the situation. Back to the file planet website in hopes of getting a key. ;)
#10 Aug 15 2010 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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WileyJT wrote:
I was watching someone stream their beta play. The streamer actually has 2 beta accounts somehow. He went on a huge tirade about the game being TOO solo based and that he felt he'd be paying to play a single player game that let him talk to his friends. He also thought the "48 hour" cool down on guildleves were excessive.

Not once did he take into consideration that S-E pumped up the exp rate so everyone could go to different zones and do high level stuff. Nor did he comprehend that the huge cooldown on the guildleves were likely so people didn't just sit there grinding on quests, and rather tried out the crafting system or that exploring thing that so many MMORPGs try to get players to do.

This is leading me to think a huge portion of the beta testers are likely expecting this to be a demo, as was said earlier. Many only pounced on it because they saw BETA in the title and figured they'd get a free game to play. I really don't see a good portion of beta testers going on to actually buy this game.

The multiple people that do stream their beta playing, also don't take into consideration that S-E is probably giving them an older version to play while they fine tune the opening day patch that will need to be downloaded.



You are exactly right. So many people on the Beta forums act as if they are playing a completed game. They don't seem to understand that 95% of the game content is held back. The 5% we get to see is tweaked out so it can be tested. So, at the end of the day, people are complaining about aspects of the game that will not be in the finished product.

As it stands, most beta testers (including myself) have one purpose, and that is to give feedback. I really hope that this new round will include people willing to give feedback on the correct issues of the game, and not the altered state of the game.
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#11 Aug 15 2010 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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It's all about wants, desires and wanting to be part of the cool kids.

They have to have it, they have to see it, they are aggravated that anyone might get to play it other than them. Some (like myself) will state that they want to see if it in fact runs on their outdated rig. Others will apply the noble technique and state that they truly want to test and find bugs because surely these other heathens who sacrificed goats to the gods to get a key aren't! Some are even just following the herd and then say what's this really all about (these are the ones who actually get a key :)).

When, really, all it's truly about is that this is the new shiny and I WANT!!!...er they would like to play it.






I'm sure they're all heathens anyway
#12 Aug 15 2010 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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Heh, from what I've seen so far, most of the people who post the "Guh, this game's going to suck" threads are probably the impatient undergrads of the current "Gimme" culture. I see it quite often when grading assignments (I teach intro biology labs), undergrads just giving a sentence for a simple answer, to which I respond "Sure, but why?" and take off points (Then I get those fun little chats with said students who feel they deserved full credit!).

I've been wanting a beta key because, yeah, I want to test the waters and poke around a little, maybe get a feel for some of the mechanics ahead of time, but I would also feel like I'd be able to help. They train us as doctoral students to look at everything and go "Huh, I wonder if that happens every time." You really can't infer a relationship or a state from a single observation, you have to try it again, and then approach from a different route!
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#13 Aug 15 2010 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Around 5-6 people already wrote a meme thread expressing the same feelings.
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#14 Aug 15 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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#15 Aug 15 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with this post completely. I've been wanting a beta key because I thought I'd be a good asset to the tester team, and I could possibly make a good difference in XIV before launch. I wanted to be able to find a bug and get it fixed so that when the thousands come rushing in on sept.22nd/30th, they wouldn't have to deal with it. Yeah, I'd be lying if I said " It has nothing to do with being in the game and playing, " but the majority of the reason is the first 2-3 sentences. :)
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#16 Aug 15 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Thank you guys for the mature and constructive feedback... its nice to see peoples point of view on this.
#17 Aug 15 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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I recognize it isn't a demo - I just want to get in there and give it a test drive. Mostly I want to explore and fiddle and see things for myself. Essentially, I can't wait to play, even just a partial copy...
#18 Aug 15 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Why can’t people wait till the official release? Is it the suspense? Is it the lack of information about the game?



because people are curious!
#19 Aug 15 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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Cause people have been waiting for years for this game so they can't wait anymore just to play it for one month and then cancel their sub and let it collect dust on the shelf cause it failed all of their expectations

Oh wait, that was me and Star Trek Online

I'm a bit more hopeful for this.
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#20 Aug 15 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
First thing, welcome to Zam, Cross Counters! Excellent first post!


I'm at work too and don't have enough time to type out a huge reply, so I'll just add this side dish to the food for thought.

The Bug Reporting forum on the Beta site is locked to all those except the initial March Alpha testers.

In my invite Email on 7\13, SE literally said "There will be no need for this round of testers to report on bugs." They want people to focus on feedback for the games features\mechanics.

This is not to say that the Beta forum isn't full of trolling WoWrage idiots; it absolutely is. But this at least explains why people are ranting about X and Y feature.
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