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#1 Aug 15 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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I'm having a major problem convincing my firends to play FFXIV with me. "But you're so charming, Futzy", you're probably thinking. Yes, I am, but unfortuantly my friends have developed a think skin to my relentless eye-batting and coy looks. I come to the wonderful minds of the Zam forums to help me with...

How to Win Friends and Influence people (to play FFXIV) *dramatic music*

Now, they're all gamers, are experienced in MMO's, and the money's not an issue. The problem is the one's that are interested in a MMO are already involved, and the one's not involved aren't interested.

Any ideas?
#2 Aug 15 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Make new friends?

If your friends don't want to play FFXIV because it isn't their cup of tea/they already enjoy another game, I don't think you should force them to pay so much money to try XIV.
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#3 Aug 15 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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I would say wait for awhile. Get your character up and buff, wait till some of the early game bugs and jitters are worked out... and on a day when your non MMO friend is bored (done all his single player games that were on the go) - dangle the MMO in front of him. And on a day your MMO playing friend is raging about his MMO - do the same thing. Works best if you keep a spare copy of the game in your desk so you can just hand it over.

During the 30 day free playtime make sure you are on a lot and introduce them to lots of fun people and do fun things.

My best advice.
#4 Aug 15 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'm in the same bucket. Everyone is content with WoW and I've so been there done that, but I want to do more than mash the same 5 buttons for hours at a time and am hoping to get in at a better time than I did FFXI.

Other than exposing them to the character creation process in the beta and saying "look it's pretty", or getting them invested into it via your friend pass at release, if they aren't interested then they probably won't be.

One thing you can do is prowl for movies (not allowed atm due to NDA) and photos and play these to your friends' tastes. Look at what they are playing, and do a pro/con thing. X game does it this way, FF14 will do it this way, and hope they don't like PvP, because they won't see that for a very long time.

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#5 Aug 15 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Make new friends?


Now there's an idea. I could go to other sites, make some friends there, and then start pulling from their numbers too. Hmm.
#6 Aug 15 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Default
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I dunno, I got hooked onto the WoW-boat for 5 years due to the darn innocent "buddy pass" back when it was regular non-restriction style so I'm praying that my buddy pass(es) that come with my CE will have the same effect on some of my "sure why not" folks. Although I've also outgrown the MMO target audienced, now out of college and having to deal with more responsible folks around my life, it'll definitely be harder to convince ppl to try and have off-work hours occupied by a computer screen.

But forcing someone to would definitely be the quickest way to fail that attempt, it'll be like spamming bold crafting!

During my smooth-talking attempts, I'd just focus on "improvements" over the FFxi grips that so many ppl are associating FFxiv with--"aren't they the same game???" inquiries.

So big sellers would:
-Death Penalty Exp-Loss is gone
-Not more Party "Onry" mindset
-Gorgeous Graphics and Sounds
-Cat-Eared toons... c'mon!
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#7 Aug 15 2010 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Tell them end game unlocks jumping,swimming, and pvp.
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#8YoGix, Posted: Aug 15 2010 at 10:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Take them to a strip club your treat for lap dance and Bjs that should work
#9 Aug 15 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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I think one of the best ways is the technique used by the best salesmen:

1. Before you even begin to advertise and talk about the product, you must first find out what your customer wants. What your customer desires.

2. Once you've found this, you find out how to link your product to your customer's desires.

3. Once you've established that link, you enhance it by convincing your customer how the product can improve his life/lifestyle/etc.

Just think of your friends as your customers and the game as the product you're trying to sell.
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#10 Aug 15 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Let them give it a try at least, and see if they like it more than *blank*. If they do, great! If they don't, that's too bad. But trust me: "Forcing" friends to stay there (by means of nagging them constantly to play with you or what have you) does not make for fun gameplay for either of you. They're not playing for their own enjoyment, and you're going to have to listen to the inevitable criticisms and whining. If that's the kind of grouping experience you want, then go right ahead. But speaking from experience, it's not very much fun at all.
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#11 Aug 15 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Take them to a strip club your treat for lap dance and Bjs that should work


And them tell them they have all that in FFXIV :)

No but seriously, there either gonna like it or not. If you see even a bit of interest, let them take your guy out for a mini adventure. Set him up in a pt or something. Just don't have him do your grind fest. They'll never come back! lol
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#12 Aug 15 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Default
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I agree with BJs
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#13 Aug 15 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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It's like trying to get your friend into music, you show them the song that would appeal to them the most.

Instead of running around in a *** area like La Noscea, invite him over when you're fighting Ifrit on top of a volcano. That will have him driving to the game store.
#14 Aug 15 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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My friends won't play either. The general consensus is that it doesn't look interesting.
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#15 Aug 15 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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First think about if your friends are even MMO fans or not. If they don't even like gaming, then don't waste your time. If they like gaming but just think FFXIV doesn't look/sound interesting, then show them the crafting mini game on 9/22 and that'll work.
#16 Aug 15 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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most of the people I know don't play videogames. So... yeah. I plan to make friends in game.
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In games friends are the best kind of friends (not really but good friends nonetheless :) )
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#18 Aug 15 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Most of my friends dont like MMO's at all. They will happily play Call of duty all day but have refused to even try out Wow or FFXI because its too "time consuming". Sigh ; ;
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#19 Aug 15 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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in-game friends are the best kind to have in game...

and the best part is you don't have to convince them to be there - they already are.
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1) Chair
2) Chains, lots of chains.
3) Toothpicks to keep their eyes open.
4) Make them watch you play FFXIV for several hours/days/months
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#21 Aug 15 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Showing my friends the TGS 2009 and E3 2010 trailers did it for me. However, I think my friends are very fickle when it comes to gaming in the first place. :X
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#22 Aug 15 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah for me all it took was the trailers as well. Cosmetically speaking, XIV can suck anyone in.
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#23 Aug 15 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe you can find out where Blizard's server farm is and burn it down? Then, in the week that WoW is down, give them a buddy pass.

But really, you said it yourself in the first post: How to Win Friends and Influence People. Read it.

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Twelve Ways to Win People to Your Way of Thinking
  • Avoid arguments.
  • Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never tell someone they are wrong.
  • If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
  • Begin in a friendly way.
  • Start with questions the other person will answer yes to.
  • Let the other person do the talking.
  • Let the other person feel the idea is his/hers.
  • Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
  • Sympathize with the other person.
  • Appeal to noble motives.
  • Dramatize your ideas.
  • Throw down a challenge & don't talk negative when the person is absent, talk about only positive.


I bolded the points I think are particularly relevant to convincing your friends to play. Seriously, read the book. It's still probably the best on the subject.

Also, this is a fun take on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TcMnRC3434&feature=related

It's from SXSW interactive. Brian Brushwood, a magician, gave a presentation on Social Engineering. It's great, and entertaining the whole way through.

Edit: Here's the 2nd half of the presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCC6t-UOSE&feature=channel

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 4:37pm by khorbin

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 4:38pm by khorbin
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#24 Aug 15 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Inception. I'd recommend hiring professionals.

Edited, Aug 15th 2010 5:17pm by sourmilk
#25 Aug 15 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I would start with your friends that play rpgs and love them. Then simply tell them that ffxiv is an online rpg that never ends. Tell them they could play the game for years and years. If that doesnt get their attention then they are just not interested. Leave it be and play it yourself and sooner or later they will come around when they are bored and see you playing and be like "whats this?" thats when you hook them.
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Make them play FFXI for 8 years first.
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I have a friend who wants to try the game but can't because he has to buy a new PC for it.

At this point, I'm just hoping I can make new friends in game instead of bringing old to this game.
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I accented the changes in some of the gameplay that frustrated us in IX to coax a long time FFXI mate who has been playing WoW the last 2 years.
It worked like a charm, I took him from a stubborn "no freakin way" to "omg, i'm absolutely switching" in a 30 minute phone call.

It's a good idea to have your friends that are on the fence read up on the gameplay reviews, once they get involved in the review, then start googling pics and vids, etc- it usually snares them.
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#30 Aug 15 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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If all else fails you can always use violence.....................i dunno, just a thought.
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#31 Aug 15 2010 at 11:10 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah i just sneak into their rooms with a copy of the game and a sock full of rocks and ask them "nicely". ~grins~
#32 Aug 15 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, the best thing you can do is let them see it and read about it. If they're not interested, they probably won't be. Just remind them when they ask you why you aren't playing their game that they wouldn't play yours either, and at least you gave theirs a shot.

It's always best to start a new game with a RL friend, but sometimes it's unavoidable that you can't.
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#33 Aug 16 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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You can't convince RL firends to play if they don't want to. The last thing you want to do is spend your time arguing with a friend about how great the game is when they just don't agree.

In-game friends are where it's at. And it's exceedingly easy to make them. Just help someone do something. Go out of your way to help people and you will find that many of them come looking for you next time. Then, when you need something, they are happy to help.

You can't make friends easily just by trying to accomplish your own goals. Start by helping others, and don't get upset when some of them are not appreciative. It's suprising how you can make a great friend in a very short amount of time on an MMO.

If you are helpful and respectful you will have no shortage of friends in FFXIV, even if your RL friends are not interested in playing.
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