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#52 Aug 17 2010 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Any comment like this made before release is Void due to the fact that only 10% of the game is playable. So..I don't know how you expect to make such assumptions.


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#53 Aug 17 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
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On the other hand, there are a lot of issues that are design decisions, like the lack of any way to conveniently target party members, the fact that the UI for selling things is 7-8 steps when 3 steps (Sell -> Set Quantity -> Okay) would clearly suffice, the fact that crafting is still using the arcane method of individually selecting each ingredient from your inventory, the fact that there's no ability to rebind keys, etc. All of these are DESIGN decisions. No amount of bug fixing will improve these elements because they're already working as designed.


So you KNOW that they're not implementing a way to easily target party members? You KNOW that you're always going to have to go through 7-8 steps to sell? You KNOW there will not be a way to rebind keys?


I know that with every day that passes, it is less likely. I know that if they do make needed changes, I'll be happy to have those changes, but there's no particular reasons to expect them.

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From what I understand, from one of the earlier phases to the one right after it, the combat system went through a MAJOR overhaul. It seems like most of the things you "KNOW" are things that you can't possibly know for sure.

As the game stands then yes, these are issues, but it is a BETA. Let the final game release, then start whining and I'll be here complaining with you.


I don't care if any one whines with me. Actually, I'm not even whining, just taking a shot at those who mouth the "It's just beta!" argument like mindless automatons. That excuse becomes less valid every day closer to release. Back at the start of beta it probably covered 90% of potential complaints. That % has narrowed quite a bit at this point.

I'll be happy if they implement things like key binding, streamlines interface, etc, but I think until they do it's worth talking about. If people want to disregard news from beta, that's their choice, but they should not keep squawking for other people to NOT have an opinion, especially this late in testing. We don't really need the entire forum filled with negativity, but telling people "It's just beta!" is more like a challenge to step up the complaints than a valid reason not to complain.
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Oh, btw, to the idiots saying "OMFG this is just a Beta /cry", ummm, do you seriously think all bugs just go away upon release? You think the other 90% of the game you haven't tested all this time doesn't have a single bug? You don't think the first six months of game play MAY have its ups and downs due to a buggy system? Please, guys, get your head out your (insert).
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#55 Aug 17 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't care if any one whines with me. Actually, I'm not even whining, just taking a shot at those who mouth the "It's just beta!" argument like mindless automatons. That excuse becomes less valid every day closer to release. Back at the start of beta it probably covered 90% of potential complaints. That % has narrowed quite a bit at this point.


Okay, like most things that are true and false, either it is true, or it's false. Being "Beta" is not a percentage, it is relevant and valid as long as it's....BETA! Wow, that's amazing. Then it's not valid when the game goes live because it's not "beta" any more.
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#56 Aug 17 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Default
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I want my 10 minutes back.

This thread might be the biggest piece of trash I've read on here in a bit. Nobody on either side is right. Nobody on either side is wrong. Nobody here has played the retail version. Until the 22nd, nobody here knows any specifics other than what has been told to us in regards to game mechanics.

Since I wasted my time reading this, I'll give you my thoughts. SE has done everything they can to make this game inviting to the FFXI player base, even making the races essentialy the exact same. I highly doubt they would then take the game and do a 180*. I never expected an FFXI-2 (though personally I wouldn't complain), I expected a FFXI'ish game with a higher level of soloability, but still keeping the "community" roots ingrained.
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For the record people: according to Gamespot hands on, they played a more up to date version of the game, in different regions in the game so I highly doubt the beta build is the most up to date build. I say we all need to relax a little and smell the air - the beta has its problems, it doesn't mean the final product will.
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For the record people: according to Gamespot hands on, they played a more up to date version of the game, in different regions in the game so I highly doubt the beta build is the most up to date build. I say we all need to relax a little and smell the air - the beta has its problems, it doesn't mean the final product will.


The thing about Gamespot's hands on was that it was a pre view. They NEVER say anything bad about a game when they are previewing it no matter how many problems they run into. So we have no idea how much of an improvement that build was from the current one beta players are playing now.

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#59 Aug 18 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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@Jakarai: that wasn't the point I was trying to make - I was saying they were playing a different build of the game - probably a more up to date build and not the beta build most of us are playing so nothing to fret about yet. Whether the newer build is better or worse is up in the air but I'm saying lets give it a couple weeks here atleast and see where we're at then.
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I don't care if any one whines with me. Actually, I'm not even whining, just taking a shot at those who mouth the "It's just beta!" argument like mindless automatons. That excuse becomes less valid every day closer to release. Back at the start of beta it probably covered 90% of potential complaints. That % has narrowed quite a bit at this point.


Okay, like most things that are true and false, either it is true, or it's false. Being "Beta" is not a percentage, it is relevant and valid as long as it's....BETA! Wow, that's amazing. Then it's not valid when the game goes live because it's not "beta" any more.


Like most things which are not easily knowable, truth can only be expressed as a probability. We do not know for certain which things will be changed, fixed, or broken, so we can only have the discussion in terms of what's likely to happen. As time left in beta decreases, the likelihood of any particular issue being fixed before launch decreases. There are simply less opportunities with a month left than there are with five months left. Therefore, if "It's just beta" is meant to convey the idea that there is still time for it to be fixed, it is less likely to be true as beta continues.

My original statement was correct. "It's just beta" is a more valid statement at the start of beta because it's likely to apply to more possible complaints. At this stage, it is less valid than it has ever been, and it is nearing the point of being completely invalid.

"It's just beta!" is an article of faith. It's an invitation NOT to engage in any critical thought. Be mentally lazy if you want, but don't insist that others be lazy as well.

#61 Aug 18 2010 at 12:38 AM Rating: Default
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A lot of people seem to forget that this is a beta. And I'm not talking to the OP. If everyone kept their mouths shut about certain features knowing that "oh this is a beta and it'll be different on release" SE could very well assume that the feature in question is favorable to their audience and no change will be made.

So, to all the "stop posting and end your miserable life because this is a beta and things will be different" people out there.... shut up.
#62 Aug 18 2010 at 12:41 AM Rating: Good
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KarlHungis the Prohpet wrote:
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I don't care if any one whines with me. Actually, I'm not even whining, just taking a shot at those who mouth the "It's just beta!" argument like mindless automatons. That excuse becomes less valid every day closer to release. Back at the start of beta it probably covered 90% of potential complaints. That % has narrowed quite a bit at this point.


Okay, like most things that are true and false, either it is true, or it's false. Being "Beta" is not a percentage, it is relevant and valid as long as it's....BETA! Wow, that's amazing. Then it's not valid when the game goes live because it's not "beta" any more.


Like most things which are not easily knowable, truth can only be expressed as a probability. We do not know for certain which things will be changed, fixed, or broken, so we can only have the discussion in terms of what's likely to happen.



Exactly, but you keep making it sound like you "KNOW" that it will be this way when the game goes live.

So unless you have a time machine, crystal ball, or answers from the developers themselves, you're in the same boat as mostly everyone else, that you "KNOW" nothing.

Your making an educated guess, and an educated guess, despite being educated, is still a guess.
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#63 Aug 18 2010 at 2:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I agree that I definitely hope the game is more party-centric, but I think the beta has inflated xp rates beyond normal so that people can test out higher level abilities for beta.
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#64 Aug 18 2010 at 2:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Last time I checked, people didn't usually form groups until level 10 or so for FFXI. Same can be said with WoW (RFC groups). Aion was probably the game where I solo'ed the most but even then, I was forced to form groups at level 18 to do the outside krall quests.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the beta doesn't reveal enough and far enough to make an accurate judgment on how solo-able this game is.

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#65 Aug 18 2010 at 3:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I agree that I definitely hope the game is more party-centric, but I think the beta has inflated xp rates beyond normal so that people can test out higher level abilities for beta.

That's what I thought, too. But then this surplus **** happened.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I agree that I definitely hope the game is more party-centric, but I think the beta has inflated xp rates beyond normal so that people can test out higher level abilities for beta.

That's what I thought, too. But then this surplus sh*t happened.


Yeah, I dunno what's up with that either.
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I was under the impression they wanted to push solo play really heavily in 14 and that being the major change of direction they wanted...now people complain because party play isnt a major part of the game?

Like WoW if you allow good solo xp for all classes, all classes will solo over grouping. Since casual and solo friendly are the catchphrases the devs are using it's silly to try complain this isnt going to be FFXI mk2. If they give too big bonuses for grouping that will be seen as the standard and solo xp wil be considered gimped so I can't really see them doing that given the basic ideals of the game.

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The community on XI was there because they made us do things we didnt really like, ie. grouping up and relying on others for almost everything in the game. These won't be in 14 and the reliance on others will be minimal, hence the community will be like WoW. How can anyone expect anything else? 14 will not have XI's community at all, far far from it.

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things to remind yourselves:

1. the beta only covers like 10% of the real game.

2A. They are now really getting more players into testing the game in phase 3 beta, and they would want more players to go try out higher level guildleves instead of everyone killing those dodos or rats and goes to the forum and make a thread saying "FFXIV at the moment caters to killing dodos and rats".

2B. Think about it, how long have the alpha-beta running? like 5 months or so, and server has not been running 24/7/365. do you expect lots of players reaching level 40 or so in 5months when they were given specific time to play in the day?

2C. Does SE want you to party? they sure do, but who would have the time to find bugs and try out different aspect of the game when they are forced to party in beta? The more ideal way is for testers to advance higher solo and try the higher tiers of guildleves.

3. If you read one of those new articles and screenshots, SE lets the NA based fansite representatives to try out some level 40 guildleves with a PARTY SET UP. this could at least tell you when your character is advancing higher levels/ranks, party play will be there.

4. Let's take FFXI as an example, how much exp did you get from the tunnel worm when you have a 6 players party set up? I'm sure doing it solo would be more efficient. And you might probably or most likely see the guildleves are much more difficult and you would consider party instead of solo in higher levels.

5. The game was made so casual players can enjoy the game too, SE have said. they have also said this game is PvE play and would involve many vs many, i didnt hear about them saying solo vs many, at all. what's the point of them creating these monsters that come in a pair or a group? do they expect you to kill them all by yourself? are you gonna kill those dragons by yourself? I don't think so, what are you? Ironman?

The list could go even longer, but then, i have to get ready to work.
I'm not gonna say "Oh this is just beta, shut up and test it!", but instead of all these negativities, be optimistics and play the beta, lots of us here are not in the beta and dying to be in there, so, go have some fun, FFXIV is gonna be fine with party play, but just having a touch more of solo play for the casual gamers.
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KarlHungis the Prohpet wrote:
As time left in beta decreases, the likelihood of any particular issue being fixed before launch decreases. There are simply less opportunities with a month left than there are with five months left. Therefore, if "It's just beta" is meant to convey the idea that there is still time for it to be fixed, it is less likely to be true as beta continues.


This assumes that they are -not- already fixing the issues. From what I have read/seen so far SE hasn't really made changes in the beta build for the most part. For all we know problems with the UI etc have already be changed in the retail version. Why would they spend their time coding the BETA version when they have retail release in a month?

Since I am not in BETA I really don't care if they fix the UI on the BETA version as long as the retail version is better. All the raging in the world on the ZAM forums is not going to improve FFXIV - the correct place for this rage is in the BETA forums. By all means - please RAGE in the BETA forums where the developers are presumably lurking. We're counting on you to rage, in fact.

However, making like what you are playing is a finished product and trying to scare the fanbase on forums like the Zam isn't really productive. People in here can't fix the problems you are seeing in the BETA - the developers in the BETA forums can.

And I have heard they are a cesspool, so yes, you have your work cut out for you - but please do your best.
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KarlHungis the Prohpet wrote:
As time left in beta decreases, the likelihood of any particular issue being fixed before launch decreases. There are simply less opportunities with a month left than there are with five months left. Therefore, if "It's just beta" is meant to convey the idea that there is still time for it to be fixed, it is less likely to be true as beta continues.


This assumes that they are -not- already fixing the issues. From what I have read/seen so far SE hasn't really made changes in the beta build for the most part. For all we know problems with the UI etc have already be changed in the retail version. Why would they spend their time coding the BETA version when they have retail release in a month?

Since I am not in BETA I really don't care if they fix the UI on the BETA version as long as the retail version is better. All the raging in the world on the ZAM forums is not going to improve FFXIV - the correct place for this rage is in the BETA forums. By all means - please RAGE in the BETA forums where the developers are presumably lurking. We're counting on you to rage, in fact.

However, making like what you are playing is a finished product and trying to scare the fanbase on forums like the Zam isn't really productive. People in here can't fix the problems you are seeing in the BETA - the developers in the BETA forums can.

And I have heard they are a cesspool, so yes, you have your work cut out for you - but please do your best.


Which town is classified as NW BC?
Just curious is all, I used to live in PG, so was just wondering =)

Edit: do you have your machine up and running yet?

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The version of the game you are playing is not the release version - it is a specific beta version. The real version is being tested by paid testers in preparation for release. THe beta you are playing has been designed to test certain elements of the game - not to be the game.


I'd take it one step further and say all SE really expects from the free testers is a body to take up resources on the servers. Everything about their "beta" process screams server stress testing. Not actual beta testing. IIRC the sign up form didn't even include any kind of technical questions that would allow them to maximize their software/hardware combination's. It wasn't until after they picked you that they had you run a system scan to send the computer specs to themselves.

I'm pretty dissapointed in all the negativity about the game from the testers since in all but a few cases it's clear they were in it for an early start and really have no clue what is really going on or what they should be doing.
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Which town is classified as NW BC?
Just curious is all, I used to live in PG, so was just wondering =)

Edit: do you have your machine up and running yet?



I used to live in Terrace, I haven't bothered to change it to reflect the fact that I don't anymore. I am posting from my shiny new computer at this very moment.
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While I understand that it's only the beta and that the game will almost undoubtedly be 100 times more polished and finished, I still think it makes sense for people to post what they see CURRENTLY in the beta. I mean, isn't that the point of a beta? To figure out what the game seems to be lacking, or to find bugs? I'm sure SE is very aware of the difference in solo and party play, but it never hurts to remind them about it as often as possible during a beta just to be absolutely positive they know.
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#74 Aug 18 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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The beta has its problems but I think a lot of people are judging something before its complete. The only thing I can compare it to is somebody painting a masterpiece. You really need to see the final product before you say anything. Also I see many new people in the beta that ask me as I run by where they can go fight monsters. People are in such a rush to see something they miss getting their basic skills and the main storyline. Ffxiv is enjoyable because of the life they have put into these characters all around. Npcs move fluidly and cut scenes have great facial expressions and animation.

The UI issues will be hammered out in due time. That's all I'm going into that.

Fighting monsters doesn't even get fun until you start mixing and matching skills from other jobs. So far the most fun I had was when I was playing the pugilist. Battles were fast and exciting.

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They way I see it, yeah its beta, yeah its going to be released in about a month, maybe this maybe that. You still need to give your thoughts because the game development doesn't STOP on SEP 22.
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About the whole "It's beta!" argument,

I've only participated in one other beta, and one data point probably isn't enough, but here was my experience with Star Trek Online (LOL)

So I played all throughout closed beta... and the whole time people were saying the same thing "This game sucks", "It's going to end up like this unless they drastically change things now" "The game is releasing next month, do you really expect that they have time to change this about it" vs. "IT'S BETA!!! Of course it sucks right now" "They are still working on it" "It's a beta, not a demo" etc, etc.

And you know what, the game released and it really wasn't all that different from beta. Just some things that didn't used to work now worked, but the general gameplay remained unchanged. The game did in fact suck after release and they lost a lot of subscribers. And although a lot of the bugs and glitches were fixed, 90% of the requests to change content or game mechanics went unchanged. It seems that some of those broken inherent game mechanics that the game was built around were going to remain as the foundation.

Now, we are talking about two grossly different companies here. SE, which has a decent reputation, and Cryptic, which has a worse one. I wish I had participated in the XI beta to see how the game changed 1 month before launch to launch, so I understand a bit more how SE reacts to the beta testing evaluation process, because the only experience I have is with the STO beta. I have a bit more faith in SE's ability to deliver and launch a game that will please its fans and bring in some new ones. But, I am still leery as to how much they can do when launch is a month away and a week or two of that time is going to be dedicated to stress testing and improving server capacity.
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#77 Aug 18 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone is right. This is exactly what is needed, discussion and debate over the gameplay in Beta. There will be modifications based on similar responses from testers. I don't expect the game can be exactly what everyone wants, but will be somewhere in between.

Leveling 1-10 in FFXI was best done solo. I'm thinking that the rewards for soloing will drop off similarly after a certain point. Not in the Beta though. New areas in release version will likely allow access to more party friendly fields.

Complaints that the party search system is lacking are troubling. I expect this may have to further be modified after release.

You can tell that each person here is passionate about what they are thinking. The aggression back and forth is not necessary to make an opposing view known clearly. People are allowed to have differing opinions, and this is the place to state them.
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Tanaka-san gave an interview with FFXIVCore today at Gamescon where he shot down most of the things that players are requesting. No hardware mouse, no auction house, etc. They're looking into trying to encourage people to group for guild leves, possibly by offering more XP in a group. The 48 hour cooldown will remain for leves, so for the most part I guess you're expected to either get most of your XP from solo grinding (group grinding doesnt work because of the MP regen or lack thereof) or to just play at a very casual pace.

Absolutely no indication of some miracle version of the game being tested internally. They're aware of some bugs, some performance related issues are beta specific, for the most part the game is going to go live with the current design, and they might make changes once they see how people play.
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yeah, I am not worried about it. Especially the mouse. Would like an auction house but I'll deal. Basically - I'll play the game. If I like it I'll continue to play. If I don't I won't.
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yeah, I am not worried about it. Especially the mouse. Would like an auction house but I'll deal. Basically - I'll play the game. If I like it I'll continue to play. If I don't I won't I'll wait for The Old Republic.
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Im actually happy to hear all the reports of the solo part of the game. Kinda happens when you play alot of pet jobs by default imo. Also, and maybe this is the wrong place to voice this, but I've held this belief for a long time about why FFXI has more of a commuinty say over "other" mmos because of one main reason, that you usually have ONE avatar, mules and Xboxers not withstanding, vs 10+ alts you switch to flame people in game. Your name sticks with you and people throughout your FF life and people get to know you AND your name. So I have no doubt that the community part will still be in THIS mmo.

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Why are people complaining about people giving their opinions of the BETA? I'd think most people in the BETA are aware that it is a BETA. They are giving their opinions (feedback) of the game. ATM some people feel there is too much emphasis on solo play. Shouldn't they be letting SE know this?
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I'd think most people in the BETA are aware that it is a BETA.


You'd think so.

But yeah, I don't want a massively singleplayer online role playing game. If I wanted that, I'd play Dragon Age or Fallout 3 and leave Pidgin open.

The whole point of a multiplayer online game should be to play with other people.
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Shouldn't they be letting SE know this?


Yes, they should let SE know.

However I would be just as happy if they spared me the doomsaying.
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I read the new interveiw. It seems like SE does not care about group play and only want to reinforce guidleve group play. So after you complete your leves, you solo for the next 48 hours.

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Can't you toss your Guildleves and get some others? Sounds like no or this woulnd't be a recurring complaint.
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KarlHungis the Prohpet wrote:
Tanaka-san gave an interview with FFXIVCore today at Gamescon where he shot down most of the things that players are requesting. No hardware mouse, no auction house, etc. They're looking into trying to encourage people to group for guild leves, possibly by offering more XP in a group. The 48 hour cooldown will remain for leves, so for the most part I guess you're expected to either get most of your XP from solo grinding (group grinding doesnt work because of the MP regen or lack thereof) or to just play at a very casual pace.

Absolutely no indication of some miracle version of the game being tested internally. They're aware of some bugs, some performance related issues are beta specific, for the most part the game is going to go live with the current design, and they might make changes once they see how people play.


Actually, he said that they are fixing UI issues for release, will launch an AH once the economy is up and running and the solo v group dynamic will be better balanced on release.

He did indicate that MP regen would continue to be an issue!

He also said that the mouse control would improve on release and post release and that there was significant work currently underway to fix known bugs.

Sounds to me like they are addressing things but hey, what would I know, im not in beta so just reading what others are posting and what SE are saying.
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#88 Aug 19 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Can't you toss your Guildleves and get some others? Sounds like no or this woulnd't be a recurring complaint.

There is a set amount given and once completed, it takes 48 hrs for u to do them over again.
#89 Aug 19 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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In every game , starting lvls 1-15 are usually geared towards solo play for learnig about the class before the partying starts at higher levels.

Party Grp kill Solo mob = less reward
Party Grp kill Hard mob = good reward

If everyone spent 90% of the time to look for a party and to gain exp whats the point of Beta? Nothing ever gets tested

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 3:44am by pec
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I came in here expecting some information on how solo play would work in FFXIV, because it was essentially impossible for me in FFXI, and all I see is "Don't make it like WoW!!!" and bickering over what a beta is.

Well done, I suppose.

Can anyone give information on how the game caters to solo play other than just XP numbers? I readily admit that I haven't been keeping up on the information, but it would be nice to get a little condensed version. I loved FFXI for quite a while and have very high hopes for this game.
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#91Imaboomer, Posted: Aug 19 2010 at 1:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So soloing mobs is testing the game? No one should test the BROKEN party mechanics? So much is broken and u dont know a thing, ur post is BS with no knowledge whatsoever of the game. Did you know partying right now consists of doing the most damage to enemy? Thats right, u are trying to compete against ur TEAM MATES because u get more exp if u do more attacks. Conjurers rather spirit dart than cure because thats the only way to gain exp.
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Imaboomer wrote:
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In every game , starting lvls 1-15 are usually geared towards solo play for learnig about the class before the partying starts at higher levels.

Party Grp kill Solo mob = less reward
Party Grp kill Hard mob = good reward

If everyone spent 90% of the time to look for a party and to gain exp whats the point of Beta? Nothing ever gets tested


So soloing mobs is testing the game? No one should test the BROKEN party mechanics? So much is broken and u dont know a thing, ur post is BS with no knowledge whatsoever of the game. Did you know partying right now consists of doing the most damage to enemy? Thats right, u are trying to compete against ur TEAM MATES because u get more exp if u do more attacks. Conjurers rather spirit dart than cure because thats the only way to gain exp.

I am glad u are not in beta because all u will do is solo and think the game is flawless.


And the post for angriest man in Eorzea goes to.............Imaboomer!

I guess here is one chap that wont be waiting around to see if party dynamics are fixed in retail release!
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#93 Aug 19 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Good
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Imaboomer:"u are trying to compete against ur TEAM MATES because u get more exp if u do more attacks"


If you care so much about Exp distribution in party then u should go do some soloing hhahahahaha

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 4:19am by pec
#94 Aug 19 2010 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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Wow you guys r something else I like how ya think ya work for SE a multimillion leading videogame dev company;
SE know what they doing. Like everybody says this is beta which mean they still testing the game u don't know what they testing or what there bigger picture is for them
Maybe SE did there party testing inhouse and just want you guys to test solo lvling?!? Ever tho of that? Or the balance of the mobs battle or aggro distance
none of us work for SE so in the end we don't know

What I do know for sure is SE always plan ahead when it comes to FFXI so I won't be surpise If they keep this habit with FF14


I can see it now how most of you ganna freakout about how hard endgame battle ganna be
& how you angry because SE don't wanna give out hints ( AV anyone? ) lolol
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#95 Aug 19 2010 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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=D

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 4:31am by pec
#96 Aug 19 2010 at 2:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here is an idea.

For all of those saying that pty play is rubbish and players are encouraged to play solo in ffxiv, here is an idea.

Load FFXI
Roll a character
Level to the level that you reached in FFXIV (probably lvl 5 or 6)
Get together with a bunch of level 5 or 6 players
grind mobs.

Now tell me whether you got more exp solo or in group play. If the answer is group play - continue complaining.

If the answer is solo then maybe the game is designed for solo play to level 12+ to learn your class and then designed for group play.
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#97 Aug 19 2010 at 3:31 AM Rating: Default
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I actually ran into a JP tester that spoke enough English for me to understand him. He said that their forums are filled with tons of negativity as well. Seems they don't like the game much more than we do.

From beta boards. The rest of u can wallow in hopes of a miracle. It is beta 3. Next is open beta. Beta 3 ends sept 13.

Remember the FFXI commercial? "Community XI" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMwGtTlIju4

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 5:52am by Imaboomer
#98 Aug 19 2010 at 3:51 AM Rating: Good
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Not true.

I speak fluent Japanese (though I struggle to read colloquial Japanese sometimes which can make forums tricky).

I actually thought that the Japanese were playing on different servers with a different version of the game for beta. There is some concern but in the main the feedback is incredibly positive. It is only on western sites that there seems to be such massive problems.

I have since been told that there are not region specific betas so i guess it is just cultural differences.
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#99 Aug 19 2010 at 3:56 AM Rating: Default
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Hallie, wtf? It is the japanese beta forums and u have no access to it. Not true is u. Honestly, I am so glad these people are giving their opinions (even tho SE is not listening). At least they are putting effort....:rolls eye:

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 5:58am by Imaboomer
#100 Aug 19 2010 at 4:03 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=Imaboomer]Hallie, wtf? It is the japanese beta forums and u have no access to it. Not true is u. Honestly, I am so glad these people are giving their opinions (even tho SE is not listening). At least they are putting effort....:rolls eye:

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 5:58am by Imaboomer [/quote

I apologise Imaboomer - you are correct, I have not seen the beta forums. But I have seen a number of other "unofficial" forums with comments from beta testers.

I misread your post in my haste - and take back my comments.
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#101 Aug 19 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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how about you start a petition to request SE make this game more hardcore and get rid of the casual elements?
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