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#1 Aug 17 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Default
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So apparently the Catalyst drivers detect Furmark and slow it down. According to ATI this is intentional because Furmark damages graphics cards.

FFXIV stresses graphics cards even more than Furmark. So, according to ATI, FFXIV will damage graphics cards.



Edited, Aug 17th 2010 8:41pm by Lobivopis
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UNfortunately the comments on the article show it to be from late 2009. I would be interested in finding out if this is still the case, or if they have since lifted those restrictions with Catalyst 10.x?
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Wonder if this is applicable if your card is not ATI?
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#4 Aug 17 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Default
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ummm no just no FFXIV doesn't stress ati cards more the Furmark, Furmark is a stress testing tool and I highly doubt FFXIV is more video card reliant then Crysis is even today.

So take a chill pill the sky is'nt fall and ATI isnt giving you bad performance because they think a game will break your card
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I believe it has something to do with the heat that they can generate when being worked so hard. I better cooling system should be able to prevent damage to your computer.
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I believe it has something to do with the heat that they can generate when being worked so hard. I better cooling system should be able to prevent damage to your computer.

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I thought ATI was supposed to be the brand that's cool enough to handle XIV's pressure.
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I thought ATI was supposed to be the brand that's cool enough to handle XIV's pressure.


Like seneleron said, the article is over a year old and was even controversial at that time. Although heat can be a problem, I doubt you'll have to worry about your computer catching fire unless you're overclocking or your fans are broken.
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I doubt you'll have to worry about your computer catching fire unless you're overclocking or your fans are broken.


Unless you're running it on an Asus G73 Notebook. On 1080 my GFX temps spiked to 98c [within spec, but D***] :D


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This was a bait and switch headline if I ever saw one.

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This is kinda lies.

GTX 465 on Alpha was running at 82°C. Furmark made it run @ 95°C

HIS Turbo 5870 on Alpha was running at 71°C. Furmark made it run @86°C


I can't say for sure, but the 5870 temps stayed the same and i'm sure the 465 temps will stay similar into the beta.

Edited, Aug 17th 2010 8:07pm by burtonsnow
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Tovonto wrote:
ummm no just no FFXIV doesn't stress ati cards more the Furmark, Furmark is a stress testing tool and I highly doubt FFXIV is more video card reliant then Crysis is even today.

So take a chill pill the sky is'nt fall and ATI isnt giving you bad performance because they think a game will break your card


I fairly certain you have no clue what you're talking about. It's generally best not to speak when this happens...even if it leaves you with nothing to say.
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lol really? then i guess the post above yours doesn't know what he is talking about either?
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#13 Aug 17 2010 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
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ummm no just no FFXIV doesn't stress ati cards more the Furmark, Furmark is a stress testing tool and I highly doubt FFXIV is more video card reliant then Crysis is even today.

So take a chill pill the sky is'nt fall and ATI isnt giving you bad performance because they think a game will break your card


I fairly certain you have no clue what you're talking about. It's generally best not to speak when this happens...even if it leaves you with nothing to say.


Actually Crysis and XIV on full settings perform very similarly. XIV has much more content being streamed over your internet connection so the latency makes XIV seem like it is more GPU intensive, when in reality there are only a couple of new features that XIV has over Crysis.
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burtonsnow wrote:
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Tovonto wrote:
ummm no just no FFXIV doesn't stress ati cards more the Furmark, Furmark is a stress testing tool and I highly doubt FFXIV is more video card reliant then Crysis is even today.

So take a chill pill the sky is'nt fall and ATI isnt giving you bad performance because they think a game will break your card


I fairly certain you have no clue what you're talking about. It's generally best not to speak when this happens...even if it leaves you with nothing to say.


Actually Crysis and XIV on full settings perform very similarly. XIV has much more content being streamed over your internet connection so the latency makes XIV seem like it is more GPU intensive, when in reality there are only a couple of new features that XIV has over Crysis.


Thank you for some common sense this thread really needs it.
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Like seneleron said, the article is over a year old and was even controversial at that time. Although heat can be a problem, I doubt you'll have to worry about your computer catching fire unless you're overclocking or your fans are broken.


Ahh, ok. So the consensus is this is all year-old, mostly irrelevant news? Phew. Crysis averted.

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I was basing this off what someone said in this thread.

Specifically this post:

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It's not surprising that your video card is heating up more than in any other game. According to a few beta testers, the game stresses your video card more than even furmark in some areas. Reports say that GPUs are pegged at 99% with 3 degrees max temp more than furmark.

I know, it's ridiculous.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#17 Aug 17 2010 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Lobivopis wrote:
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It's not surprising that your video card is heating up more than in any other game. According to a few beta testers, the game stresses your video card more than even furmark in some areas. Reports say that GPUs are pegged at 99% with 3 degrees max temp more than furmark.

I know, it's ridiculous.


I can agree with that somewhat. When I run the FFXIV Benchmark my GPU shoots up into the 80% to 90% range, mostly during the moment before Leviathan leaps over the ship, during, and then after. Biggest spike appears to be when the onslaught of jellyfish are fleeing across the ship before Leviathan makes his appearance. But even then I'm only seeing a high of 83c these days running the benchmark and that's with GPU fan at around 60-70% speed.

But overall I don't see it burning out a person's card unless the temperatures were that high for hours on end.

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#18 Aug 18 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Really, 83c with 60-70% fan speed on benchmark?

When I kept running the benchmark over and over to see the movie in anticipation for the game, my graphic card (5870) never went above 73c, and fan was within the normal range of like 20-35%. This was on High, btw.

I should really see how high scores I could get with OC. I got 4700 without OC'ing my comp at all. Also, 83-85c isn't really a problem for GPU's these days. They're designed to handle temperatures higher than that.

Edited, Aug 18th 2010 12:56pm by Demonsteel
#19 Aug 18 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Lobivopis wrote:
So apparently the Catalyst drivers detect Furmark and slow it down. According to ATI this is intentional because Furmark damages graphics cards.

FFXIV stresses graphics cards even more than Furmark. So, according to ATI, FFXIV will damage graphics cards.



Edited, Aug 17th 2010 8:41pm by Lobivopis


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#20 Aug 18 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
Lobivopis wrote:

FFXIV stresses graphics cards even more than Furmark. So, according to ATI, FFXIV will damage graphics cards.

Where did you get this info at about FFXIV stresses specific ATI graphic cards more than furmark?

Furmark is stress measuring tool for graphic cards not limited to ATI cards.
It blasts your graphic card's performance to full and would kill many cards if no safe termination point is set especially without a heat sensor which would destroy the graphic card.
I assume that some graphic card users dont have fan/heat control or dont have it properly configured so thats why intensive test tools like furmark kill many cards.

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AHHHHHHH!!
then what should we do? should we all play this on PS3? does PS3 have a graphic card?
does FFXIV damage PS3 controllers too!?
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Not sure if OP was attemping to troll, but there is no validity here. Conclusion was made by putting together a decision ATI made to implement damage protection from Furmark and an offhand comment made by a beta tester that is probably partially true at best.
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#23 Aug 30 2010 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I can run the Crysis demo on max settings and Furmark fine, yet I can't run the FFXIV beta or benchmark any more without artefacts coming from the character/mob models and shooting all over the screen. I don't know WTF is up with it, whether it be my card or the game. It randomly occurred during a XIV play session and hasn't gone away. I'm inclined to believe my card was faulty and XIV sent it over the edge. But still it's the only game causing problems. Although my monitor is having problems with standby since installing the beta.
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Your gpu temp might be around 80... but check out your vcore temps. Mine get up around 112 at load with fans @ 100%.
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I have one of the Radeon HD4850 cards known for the massive heat.
During the FF14 benchmark the GPU gets up to 99%
Temps reach over 100c (idle 82c)
With fan hitting 70-80%
Ive read thou that this card is a big heat magnet usually anyway and I should only be worried when the temps reach over 115c but even then the thresh hold for this card is a whopping 136c

In other words FF14 aint even pushed my card that far.
Granted i don't get the best scores and such but my GFX card can still run the game.
Cards these days can take lots of heat.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 9:47pm by JAck45
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Well i got the game today played about2 hours and my video card is insanely hot game keeps freezing, and nothing shows up on my computer screen after i restart until the card cools down. I have an ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
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Wow those are some hot cards. I own an HD 5770 1GB and I don't like to see it go over 70°C, though when playing FFXIV it sometimes reaches 75° to 80°C(rarely the high end). I run my fan at a constant 50%.

EDIT: My card did often get up to 80-100% load while playing OB though.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 5:42pm by BRizzl3
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I doubt you'll have to worry about your computer catching fire unless you're overclocking or your fans are broken.


Unless you're running it on an Asus G73 Notebook. On 1080 my GFX temps spiked to 98c [within spec, but D***] :D


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Highest I pushed so far was 93 C on my G73, I'll have to try overclocking the memory and GPU together to break the laptop 95 C club. :D

Laptops mainly have it bad because they don't have the room for an onboard GPU fan, which all decent or better GPUs will have. Desktop cards with larger heatsinks and dedicated fans shouldn't have as big of a problem, hopefully.

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FFXIV stresses graphics cards even more than Furmark.
No.
I'm basically constantly redlining at 99% GPU usage for my mobility HD 5870 when I play at 1080p, and my average temp tends to sit at 88 C just running at stock GPU clock speeds.



Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 4:55pm by bsphil
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Laptops mainly have it bad because they don't have the room for an onboard GPU fan, which all decent or better GPUs will have. Desktop cards with larger heatsinks and dedicated fans shouldn't have as big of a problem, hopefully.


Rumor has it you can buy good third party fans for laptops that will lower the temps, I've that about looking into this for my wife's G72GX. Also I've heard if you take out the CPU in the laptop and replace it's thermal compound with Arctic Silver 5, correctly applied of course, it can lower temps. Maybe you can do that with a GPU as well, though it would probably be more difficult.

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Gonzi: are you using automatic fan control for your card? I wouldn't have expected it to get that bad unless it was being limited somehow. Currently I'm using MSI afterburner to customise my GPU fan speeds to my liking. (You don't need an MSI card to use this software.)
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Laptops mainly have it bad because they don't have the room for an onboard GPU fan, which all decent or better GPUs will have. Desktop cards with larger heatsinks and dedicated fans shouldn't have as big of a problem, hopefully.


Rumor has it you can buy good third party fans for laptops that will lower the temps, I've that about looking into this for my wife's G72GX. Also I've heard if you take out the CPU in the laptop and replace it's thermal compound with Arctic Silver 5, correctly applied of course, it can lower temps. Maybe you can do that with a GPU as well, though it would probably be more difficult.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 5:56pm by BRizzl3
How involved is removing a laptop CPU/GPU and reapplying new thermal paste? Is it just a matter of removing some parts from the cover and taking pieces out like you would on a desktop mobo? I've only owned one laptop, and only for 2 months now.
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how do you check how hot your GPU gets? i also have a radeon HD 5770. it runs fine but i had no idea it could kill my GPU, that stuffs expensive.
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I'm not willing to say that this game stresses GPUs more than Furmark, but I will say that for the short period I was involved in the beta it did. These issues may or may not have been addressed since then, but I was seeing temps of 90+ degrees at 80% fan speed. Needless to say I promptly shutdown and uninstalled the client. If that OP is old news then this is probably what they were referring to.
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I'm running this at windowed 1920 x 1080 on standard settings an ATI Radeon 5850. I'm seeing nothing out of the ordinary on any temp. gauges on my PC including the GPU. The game runs at mostly 60fps for me - doesn't seem to go above this so I think the game has a frame-limiter in place as well.

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how do you check how hot your GPU gets? i also have a radeon HD 5770. it runs fine but i had no idea it could kill my GPU, that stuffs expensive.
GPU-Z is a very slim but informative program. Gives very simple graphs of temperature history as well as clock speeds and GPU usage in addition to a bunch of hardware information about your specific card.

MSI Afterburner is a bit more bigger, but also lets you alter the clock speeds on the fly to overclock your GPU. The 5 minute graphs are a bit nicer and easier to see. You do not need a MSI card to use the program, it will work with any card.

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last time i played XIV, couple days before beta ended, my graphic card overheated, and comp auto shut down.
there you go.
If i play the game more than 10min, i get terrible fps drop, from 30ish to 0,3ish.
So i ordered a new card ^^
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As someone who's GTS 250 magically quit working 2 days after the beta.... I would have to say it definitely isn't good for a graphics card. I'm still buying the game I just have to wait for my card to get back from RMA
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For those getting some insane temps you may want to consider investing in an aftermarket cooler for the card. My ASUS 5770 was suffering from high temps (95-100c) due to a defect in the heatsink. I carefully sanded it down and managed to drop the temps by 20c. Now on average I get just below 75c (Mostly in the high 60's FPS drops in cities/camps.) and up to 80-85c in a few spots around Thanalis and the Black Shroud. Once I can I'm gonna replace the fan with an aftermarket one. By the way, aren't the newer gen cards supposed to run a tad hotter than the lower end ones these days? FFXIV really pushes them tho which seems a little off however.
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How involved is removing a laptop CPU/GPU and reapplying new thermal paste? Is it just a matter of removing some parts from the cover and taking pieces out like you would on a desktop mobo? I've only owned one laptop, and only for 2 months now.


Here is a video with someone taking apart a laptop. Looks a more difficult than a PC, but not hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHqzzrVRQBs


Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 11:26pm by BRizzl3
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What is a safe operating range for 5xxx GPUs?
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the highest my radeon HD 5770 got today durring a few hours of gameplay in crowded and non crowded areas was 65c, it only got to that like once, the rest of the time it was a pretty constant 60c, is that normal or should i be worried?
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my card runs around 120c when playing, it usually restarts if it goes above 125c. Which has happend about 6 times now. I ordered a secondary fan to cool off my card, hopefully it will ship tomarrow. Oh and its a 4870.
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Unless your card goes above 100c on a regular basis even with the fan cranked up to or near 100% I wouldn't worry too much if it sat around ~90c under load. These things are designed to run way hotter than they normally get at any rate.

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the highest my radeon HD 5770 got today durring a few hours of gameplay in crowded and non crowded areas was 65c, it only got to that like once, the rest of the time it was a pretty constant 60c, is that normal or should i be worried?


My 5770 idles closer to 70-85c depending on what I'm doing if I don't use anything to adjust the fan (and just let the card do it automatically), but your average temp is going to be based on your case, cooling, and even the temperature of the room you're in.

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my card runs around 120c when playing, it usually restarts if it goes above 125c. Which has happend about 6 times now. I ordered a secondary fan to cool off my card, hopefully it will ship tomarrow. Oh and its a 4870.


Your card gets around 120c?! Holy ****! That sounds really excessive, even for the 4870s which I hear run on the hot side. If it's getting so hot it makes your system shut down I would stop playing the game until you get the temperature under control before you do some permanent damage to something.
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i just ran benchmark on my HIS HD radeon 4650.
got 1050 score. yeay....
uhm and GPU temp went from 70->110
GPU load 0->100%
Fan Speed 30ish->100%

Got my new card now
Sapphire Radeon HD 5770. will post new score when i instal it ^^



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SE released another game that was extremely hard on GPUs not all that long ago (The Last Remnant). Used to beat the **** out of the 4850 I was using at the time, but to be fair the case it was in was absolutely useless for cooling. (Good rule of thumb: if you can put your hand on the top of your case and it feels warm after running for a few hours, you have inadequate cooling. Note that if your power supply is mounted in the top of your case, check for heat away from it.)

The 5870 I use now used to hit upwards of 80C on some games; I would expect XIV to push it a bit harder than that. I can't get a relevant temperature on it now because I switched it over to water cooling.
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??? Here's a bit of surprising news.

My fermi card doesn't top 73c after 4 hours of FFXIV. It tops 85 in furmark. OCCT doesn't push it past 73c as well. (due to auto fan settings set in msi afterburner)
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Just a quick question.

Can some one tell me how to check fan speed and GPU temp?
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On 100% Full graphics, my ATi Radeon HD 5830 isn't running very hot, it's a stable temperature of about 108F according to my temperature monitor.

Edit: Then again my case has a pretty neat cooling system. But I haven't had issues.

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