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#1 Aug 19 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Would you mind telling me what server you're going to play on, so I can promptly NOT go there?

Most of you who hate/complain about this game will likely be on these boards for a long time... if FFXI is any indication between the difference of vocal hatedred and actual play investment.

The "hate-hate-hate-hate-hate"(x5) mentality of the forum posters in almost every online community is... well, pathetic.

Truth of the matter is, no matter how good the game is, there will be a seemingly large vocal minority that will shout all possible fandom into seclusion because they're obviously right about a handful of issues they parade around like it's ******* doctrine!

There are so few accounts of people who just enjoy the game for what it is, and seriously not sweat the small crap.

48 hour wait on Leves? Cool, I'll do them and actually move on to more than just one game. FFXI bred such horrible habbits anyways (18 hr PW fight, 4 Hour Dynamis runs (not including the gathering times.) And an endgame schedule that would assure you'd sit at home many nights a week for years before you saw any true yeild out of it. I for one am glad that I'll get to spend time with my friends out of more than a giant feel of necessity to be there to get ANYTHING done. It took FFXI six years to get to that point, outside of specic jobs and situations.

I would much rather them start from a casual-orientated base and work their way towards more involved investments than see another FFXI history repeat itself. If a slower paced, more casual playstyle is not for you, then LEAVE and quit mucking up the community sites with trollish negative drivel that serves no other pourpose than to sate your own selifshed desire to be a prick.

And do not try to say "I'm trying to get them to improve the game" or "I want to save other saps the 70+ dollers." ********* If you want to go ahead and try to help improve the game, then actually learn to write constructively. As far as trying to influence other people's choices, let them make their own minds. Most people view situations from their own personal bias, and have their own tastes as to what they like. Even with flaws and furstrations, FFXI held onto a strong playerbase that sticks to it even now. Do you think this won't be the case for FFXIV? If so then you're delusional.

If you want to state your reasons why you don't like your game, do it an move on, same with reccomending improvements. Otherwise, quit contributing to the problem by trolling the boards, seriously this is becomming a major plague for every online community I've seen that has more than a tiny close-knit base. And it's really depicting gamers in general in a horrible light.
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A nice rant. All I really got to say is that no matter what, there will always be those people out there that hate on things just for the **** of it. I'd rather not see them on my world. Let along my server. Go back / play WoW if you wana bash FF. It must not be for you.
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100% agree. There is very little "constructive" in the criticism that's going around. It feels kind of ridiculous to keep having to say "it's a BETA" to everyone, but the blind cannot see if they don't open their eyes.

I have no doubt that this game will deliver the experience I have been dreaming about since giving up FFXI 3 years ago. Maybe not straight out of the gate, but that's what makes MMOs great. They can improve with time. But improvements come from strong communities who encourage the developers and let them know their effort is worth while. Not from whining brats who demand to have it their way.
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#5 Aug 19 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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So... You're not mad because people don't like the direction the game is going, your mad because you don't like that they are posting incoherently?

I can see people getting mad and wanting to change game for what they perceive to be better. This only means they care about the game. These people are allowed their opinion. I do agree that people definitely need to control themselves long enough to get their point across coherently.

And I just want to add, the phrase "vocal minority" irritates me. There is no way to prove who is the majority and who is the minority on a forum. When people use this phrase, all I hear is "I'm padding my argument using a false data set because I feel my argument, by default, is weak".

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 6:05pm by Castrophany
#6 Aug 19 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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While I can certainly see the points on both sides of the spectrum, I can't help but agree that this seemingly endless series of negativity is both infectious (I admit to being angry and having been a bit unhelpfully vocal on the subject, albeit not nearly as much as others) and generally damaging to our community. I don't completely agree on everything you've said or what SE's current plans are, but *****ing and moaning about it is likely to get us nowhere -- the only thing is (if what I've gathered is actual fact), SE has a history of not responding to their consumers' pleas, and so the community today are likely to get very worked up about their current flaws if only because they're afraid they're not going to be properly / rapidly amended (e.g. the UI lag). Were it not for SE's track record concerning such, I don't think people would be getting as upset as they've so voraciously demonstrated to us all. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I wasn't here for FFXI, after all.

Anyway, even if it's beating a dead horse, I'm just reminding myself that everyone's comments -- be they positive or negative -- are a result of playing the beta version of an MMO. While the current problems are indeed disheartening, I'm not going to completely give up a game I've been interested in for a good while. It's like everyone's jumping ship before we've even set sail. Let's give the release a try and see where it goes from there, then we'll decide whether to mutiny or not.

God, the second half of my post looks like every carbon-copy "It's just beta" post in response to criticism. :U Deja vu. /sigh
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#7 Aug 19 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Default
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$20 bucks first month LFG chat just ganna be about wow talk lol...
I remember on aion release nobody shutup about wow & there fully gear lvl80 & how they hate FFXIV lol

That or everyone and there mother ganna be a relic owner in FFXI lol
just watch how fast it ganna get annoying
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#8 Aug 19 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I remember on aion release nobody shutup about wow & there fully gear lvl80 & how they hate FFXIV lol

Close, but no. The general Aion patter was as follows:

WHERE'S TUTTY
HEY U U KNO WERE TUTTY IS??????
NO I WAS WONDERIN THE SAME THING
HEY GUYZ WHERES TUTTY!!!!1!!!!!!
OMG THIS INSIDE JOKE IS CLASSIC LYKE VLASIC
SOMEONE MAKE A T-SHIRT
ALREADY ON IT!!!!

The result: http://rlv.zcache.com/wheres_tutty_tshirt-p235046681642407739tmn7_210.jpg
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Thankfully I am going to have a guild/linkshell of people ready to play this game that even after all the 'news' of late are still planning to stick around and play the game. So as long as I filter most of shout I hopefully won't have those experiences :P.

And yeah I also have to agree with the OP. I have my share of criticizing the game but I have also EVERY TIME said clearly that most of my issues might simply be due to how they have designed the beta. I am now actually fairly positive the game will be a lot more then we are shown in beta, especially after looking back on the 'real' FFXI beta. (Hint the NA beta for FFXI was just the final game repackaged as Beta for localization purposes, it wasn't a true beta) Apparantly they held back a ton of crap in the PS2 beta, just like they are doing for this release. Lots of stuff needed to be balanced at launch but it was a competant game compared to the beta version. The same I think will be true to FFXIV (**** FFXI actually didn't have an AH at he start of the game either, go figure!)

Give you an idea what was missing in the beta we got at release in FFXI? You only had 1-2 places to go in each of nation cities (Windurst Walls was actually the nation hub in beta), Jueno was closed off, level cap was 35. Next to no missions and very few quests, skill chains were non-existent as were there 0 EXP bonus for chaining (This wasn't actually in release as far as I know either), No AH even more limited amount of locations that would be in for start of release.

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 6:35pm by croythegreat
#10 Aug 19 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to agree with Hyrist. If you don't like what you see so far, don't play.
It's an unreleased game. Just like any other game, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
It would be one thing if it was a game you were playing, and SE screwed it up with updates or bugs, but that's not the case here.
It's like complaining about a car you don't own or drive. It makes no sense.
There are tons of MMOs available now, and even if you are only into FF, XI isn't going anywhere anytime soon, you can still play that.
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I have to agree with Hyrist. If you don't like what you see so far, don't play.

I want the game to be good. If I don't like it, I'll post all the constructive criticism I can and hope it's taken to heart. And when I say "constructive," I don't mean insipid, little Allakhazam-grade requests. I mean genuinely helpful, down-to-earth suggestions. Like making the minimap rotate relative to the camera so you don't have to run in a circle to find your bearings. Or implementing a hardware mouse option.

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It would be one thing if it was a game you were playing, and SE screwed it up with updates or bugs, but that's not the case here.

It is a game I am playing, and SE did ***** it up with updates or bugs.

So it is the case here.

In summation, **** you.
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#12 Aug 19 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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No, troll warning. You just became what you were complaining about: Someone who complains needlessly and pointlessly in forums.


Actually, my rant had a point, which you ignored and missed.

Online communities as a whole are dissolving into nothing but cesspools of unsatasfied people complaining about being unsatasfied, and. never. stopping.

I now work at a Car Dealer'ship's service department, so let me make an anology.

If a customer comes in with a problem with a car, I set up an appointment. If for some reason our service did not satasfy the customer, that customer has avanues in which to file a complaint (even though we try the utmost to make customers happy.) But regardless of it, the customer goes home.

The complains on these boards are as if the customer did not go home, but instead stood outside the store making a snide remark every time I tried to discuss something with other customers, and continually insulted or got into an argument with myself and other customers and servicemen at every oppertunity.

(Ok, perhaps it's more equvilant to said person in a Car Club, but you get the deal.)

This is getting WAY out of hand and honestly, both the moderators, and the community itself needs to crack down on this hard. It's horrible and it keeps all but the most dedicated of players from frequenting the boards. Which not only harms the community itself in development, but the site's pocketbooks for lack of subscriptions/add clicks.

In the end, I'm complaining about those who've flatly stopped being a contribution to the community and only serve to really hurt it. (Or hurt it more than they help it.) It's ok not to like a game. But once you've made that point, let it stand and leave it alone. Don't let it permiate every aspect of a game's enviroment, fansites and communities included. All it proves is that you're a troll, and care more about your own personal conviction than actually improving the game experience. Remember, these forums are a part of that exprience, incessinant negativity makes that experiance worse for everyone.

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#13Imaboomer, Posted: Aug 19 2010 at 5:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think if SE made a game dedicated for u it would be called World of Teletubbies where u get to play as tinky and lala and the cutesy gang and go on a quest deciding what purse u want to purchase.
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No, troll warning. You just became what you were complaining about: Someone who complains needlessly and pointlessly in forums.


Wait... seriously?

You do realize what a forum "troll" is, right?

Normal "trolls" post threads and comments to upset people and they will always go against whatever is said... they will also continue to post nonsense just to **** people off.

I can see where the OP is coming from, and I can relate somewhat... but my major complaint is how some of the FFXI "community" here at Allakhazam only dwells on how the beta/game seems to be more solo friendly and less party friendly and they act like it will harm FFXIV in some way.

I think if everyone who is playing FFXI right now decides to NOT play FFXIV because it is a more "friendly to the masses"... then they should look forward to FFXIV surpassing FFXI's subscription fees in a year, IMO.

Even though you may not like another MMO's community (most of you choose WoW to pick on), you should realize that everyone who plays the other game isn't an idiot... and if you don't want to mess with people like that then join a guild (or Linkshell?) that has the same feelings and you should never be let down... For the most part you will only encounter moronic people (on ANY MMO) inside large cities... not while you are out actually playing the game.

Pay attention to the game... not the people or community that the game may bring.

I could be on a realm/server with 6 year old kids whose only "MMO" experience is Toontown... and I would still play the game.



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While the criticism could be more constructive, it's still valid criticism, and while it may annoy some people to read it (then don't), SE is a business and customers aren't either required or inclined to be nice about their complaints. Anyone who has any knowledge of customer service knows this. If anything, the complaints about the game are better than in most industries where the customers will complain about things that no one can do anything about.

Really, work one retail job and tell me that the feedback from dissatisfied customers is less constructive than from FFXIV testers. That's because you have customers that really care about the product, arguably as much as the creators. They have every right to complain, just like you have every right to complain about their complaining, and the only recourse any of us have is to just ignore it.

I don't hate the game, but I've been a tester since alpha, have probably put in less than fifty hours of play time, and I'm bored with it. Haven't even picked it up in the last ten days, and felt no desire to. There are too many broken features and not enough available content. Right now the game is decent for someone who wants to play solo for an hour every couple of days and utterly disappointing to anyone who wants to party for 2-4 hours or more nearly every day. Some of that will be fixed by retail, but only if people call attention to it. Whether they're nice about it or not doesn't really matter, but vehement feedback will certainly garner more concern for the product than, "Oh, it would be great if you could, pretty please...". The squeaky wheel definitely gets the oil.
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#16 Aug 19 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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On a serious note: we all have our own agenda, u gave urs away in ur post. U prefer solo and find people to complain about solo vs group to be whiners. If it was the opposite, u would be the one complaining ur purse off.


It's fair to make that assumption based off my post, but that's not honestly my position.

Though I try to pass myself off as a casual player, I'm almost as obsessed with the game and mechanics as any hardcore. I just have lower standards.

The issues about FFXI that bother me were the stress on conformity (Particuarly when it comes to each job's functions) as well as time sinks that elminiated gameplay oppertunities, but still kept you at the console(PC) waiting, such as timed mob spawns or lottery pops with large respawn windows. This allowed too much for monopolization and just an exclusionist mentality to the game.

However, I've played a game that I diddn't quite care for, Aion. There were some mechanics and systems that I loved, but there were parts that bothered the living daylights out of me that I just coulden't like. (The forced PvP and incessant grind.) And, as a matter of fact, I did not go to the boards and complain and complain. I played untill I could not stand it anymore, then quietly canceled my subscription and explained myself to the friends I made there, and stepped out without drama.

I did not, nor did I support, the thread after thread and post after post of berading the game and complaining about every annoying fascet of it. In fact, that partially contributed to me quitting, as the community was just overly negative. Sadly, I'm seeing it spring up everywhere even more now and it's beginning to really bother me. As this is mostly a community matter, I spoke up.



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While the criticism could be more constructive, it's still valid criticism, and while it may annoy some people to read it (then don't), SE is a business and customers aren't either required or inclined to be nice about their complaints. Anyone who has any knowledge of customer service knows this. If anything, the complaints about the game are better than in most industries where the customers will complain about things that no one can do anything about.

Really, work one retail job and tell me that the feedback from dissatisfied customers is less constructive than from FFXIV testers. That's because you have customers that really care about the product, arguably as much as the creators. They have every right to complain, just like you have every right to complain about their complaining, and the only recourse any of us have is to just ignore it.

I don't hate the game, but I've been a tester since alpha, have probably put in less than fifty hours of play time, and I'm bored with it. Haven't even picked it up in the last ten days, and felt no desire to. There are too many broken features and not enough available content. Right now the game is decent for someone who wants to play solo for an hour every couple of days and utterly disappointing to anyone who wants to party for 2-4 hours or more nearly every day. Some of that will be fixed by retail, but only if people call attention to it. Whether they're nice about it or not doesn't really matter, but vehement feedback will certainly garner more concern for the product than, "Oh, it would be great if you could, pretty please...". The squeaky wheel definitely gets the oil.


This is the criticism he is saying IS good. It's coherent and shows that they 'want' to be part of the experience. He is complaining about how people are getting up in arms over some features as if its the end of the world if they aren't in, and they are telling everyone they know not to play the game because they don't like the lack of those said features. This does little to help the game or its community and comes off nothing more then a repetitious rant that only stymes other potential customers from coming and playing and thus actually harming the game itself before its even given a chance to be released. As long as people remain constructive and clearly reference the game is a work in progress, then it will only help the community.
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All the talk of running to the server where group x, y, or z won't be, before the game even starts, is gettin' kinda silly. No way to avoid all the people you don't care for. Still may be smart to avoid the sephiroth server though if that happens...
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Why don't you just focus on becoming friends with those who you relate with when you meet them instead of pointing out all the people you don't like. Its is like saying I hate A-holes I'm going to move to a town with no A-holes. Stop worrying about what other people are doing and take actions that can help you avoid them (such as making friends with people you enjoy and not letting THEIR words affect YOUR emotion).


This is going to be my official copypasta for these boards from now on.

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I was myself a little ****** about the 48 hour wait on the leveling quests. But you did bring up a very good point. Starting FFXI it was a drug and a major addiction and it basically consumed my life. I would eat sleep, play FFXI... barely do school work, or do my homework while playing, talk to girlfriend while playing... **** I would end dates early just to get back to playing because I didn't want to fall behind my in game friends.

At least with this system I dont have to worry so much about grind grind grind every second of every day I can at least play for a bit get something done and have plenty of time to hang out with my wife and child.
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I remember on aion release nobody shutup about wow & there fully gear lvl80 & how they hate FFXIV lol

Close, but no. The general Aion patter was as follows:

WHERE'S TUTTY
HEY U U KNO WERE TUTTY IS??????
NO I WAS WONDERIN THE SAME THING
HEY GUYZ WHERES TUTTY!!!!1!!!!!!
OMG THIS INSIDE JOKE IS CLASSIC LYKE VLASIC
SOMEONE MAKE A T-SHIRT
ALREADY ON IT!!!!

The result: http://rlv.zcache.com/wheres_tutty_tshirt-p235046681642407739tmn7_210.jpg


That and:
HEY, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE GUY WHO WENT TO BUY A 360?
i HEARD YOU LIKE SOME WOW IN YOUR WOW, SO WE PUT SOME WOW IN YOUR AION!
HE WENT TO BUY BUT TURNED AND DID A 360! haha
THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE...
ANYBODY HAVE A LOC ON THE RIFT???
WHERE'S TUTTY!!!???!?!?!?!


Edit: /on topic. I kind of agree with the OP. So much negativity as opposed to constructive criticism.

Edited, Aug 19th 2010 8:47pm by Teneleven
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Well said Hyrist.
Most of the negative posters probably aren't even in beta.
Best thing you can do if you're not happy so far is wait until the 30th to decide whether you're going to get the game based on actual reviews and opinions of people that started on the 22nd.

But then that wouldn't be fun for them. They obviously feel so important getting their whinging read and replied to.
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I have to agree with this thread to the tee. Let us know which servers your on, and we'll make a note of it. Most of the haters almost made me start hating on XIV, it's like a bloody plague. Still though, XIV is going to be incredible. More than incredible. <3
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Heh...were you on Zikel, too? I swear, that guy did not let up. It's almost as if he was created solely for the purpose of telling that "joke" non-stop.

Don't forget how god-awful the class forums were. People QQing left and right about how much their class sucks and how nerfed they are and yet they continue to play the ****ing class! The ONLY source of intelligent discussion I found in that game was secretly placed in the Templar class chat. Not to mention they were the only class kind enough to respond to your question with a kind, thoughtful and overall helpful answer -- every other class chat would tell you to "go play Gladiator", and the Glads would just spam you with advertisements to buy their gold.

Man. Remembering how disastrous Aion's community was...I really hope XIV isn't headed in that direction with all this (arguably) overly negative feedback. D:
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Man. Remembering how disastrous Aion's community was...I really hope XIV isn't headed in that direction with all this (arguably) overly negative feedback. D:


Nah, I don't think it will end up like that. Even the people who hated grouping in FFXI would still comment on how much they loved the other stuff.

Sooner or later each side is going to realize they can't make the other side happy, so they'll meet in the middle just like the people who hate/love to group, but love FFXIV regardless... and they'll tell wonderful stories to each other for many years to come.
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I've been trying to refrain from watching the videos on youtube, but as I'm starting to watch them more it seems like XIV sticks to the role-playing game genre in the most traditionalist sense, where you're a part of a world where not everything is going to be pew pew all the time. Here are some random thoughts I had while watching -

This doesn't seem to be your nonstop action spacebar spacebar 1 2 3 1 1 1 type of game where your goal is to be out all the time fighting. I get the sense that they were really going for realism here. I think SE wanted to give us some downtime in the world of Eorzea, just like you have downtime in reality. I think they made so many DoL classes so that there would be one or two or three that each player would find appealing enough to slow down, relax, and enjoy playing. It might look boring to some, but I have no qualms about it, it actually makes me more excited to play.

Don't know why I thought of this, but... jumping. Think about this, unless you play basketball, how often do you jump on a daily basis? Now think about if you walked around in armor carrying a 20 lb weapon? Realism.

So what if it's boring for the first 10 or even 20 levels? Lvl 1-20 in XI was boring too. Remember thinking, good God I just want to get out of the dunes, God I want to get out of Qufim, God I just want to stop fighting these mandragoras... but as things opened up and possibilities were unlocked, it wasn't a boring game. Remember thinking, OMG Sea is beautiful! Just think of the beauty this game is going to provide once you hit the sweet spot. Also, what if level 20 in this game is like level 10 was in XI? What if you can go past 75, past 99, what if there are no limits?? That would really be something.

Since they are only testing a small part of the world at the moment, most of the content is probably missing. I am guessing that only the basic leves were implemented for now and that a lot of other leves and quests were left out on purpose. Yes you can do 8 leves in 30 minutes now, but as they get more and more difficult and involved, you might end up working overtime trying to complete them in 48 hours. What if at one point your guildleves turn into trying to complete a quest like CoP 3-3?

I like my MMO's slow and involved with a lot of content and not fast and with instant gratification, which is probably why I liked UO and FFXI and hated WoW and STO (only MMO's I've played). Arcadey gameplay kills immersion for me. But I can see that a lot of people would get bored easily playing a game like this. I love a game like this.
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I've been trying to refrain from watching the videos on youtube, but as I'm starting to watch them more it seems like XIV sticks to the role-playing game genre in the most traditionalist sense, where you're a part of a world where not everything is going to be pew pew all the time. Here are some random thoughts I had while watching -

This doesn't seem to be your nonstop action spacebar spacebar 1 2 3 1 1 1 type of game where your goal is to be out all the time fighting. I get the sense that they were really going for realism here. I think SE wanted to give us some downtime in the world of Eorzea, just like you have downtime in reality. I think they made so many DoL classes so that there would be one or two or three that each player would find appealing enough to slow down, relax, and enjoy playing. It might look boring to some, but I have no qualms about it, it actually makes me more excited to play.

Don't know why I thought of this, but... jumping. Think about this, unless you play basketball, how often do you jump on a daily basis? Now think about if you walked around in armor carrying a 20 lb weapon? Realism.

So what if it's boring for the first 10 or even 20 levels? Lvl 1-20 in XI was boring too. Remember thinking, good God I just want to get out of the dunes, God I want to get out of Qufim, God I just want to stop fighting these mandragoras... but as things opened up and possibilities were unlocked, it wasn't a boring game. Remember thinking, OMG Sea is beautiful! Just think of the beauty this game is going to provide once you hit the sweet spot. Also, what if level 20 in this game is like level 10 was in XI? What if you can go past 75, past 99, what if there are no limits?? That would really be something.

Since they are only testing a small part of the world at the moment, most of the content is probably missing. I am guessing that only the basic leves were implemented for now and that a lot of other leves and quests were left out on purpose. Yes you can do 8 leves in 30 minutes now, but as they get more and more difficult and involved, you might end up working overtime trying to complete them in 48 hours. What if at one point your guildleves turn into trying to complete a quest like CoP 3-3?

I like my MMO's slow and involved with a lot of content and not fast and with instant gratification, which is probably why I liked UO and FFXI and hated WoW and STO (only MMO's I've played). Arcadey gameplay kills immersion for me. But I can see that a lot of people would get bored easily playing a game like this. I love a game like this.


Agreed, rate up.
A few points I'd like to touch on...
I jump all the time... in the shower, when I drive to work, when i'm sleeping, when i'm eating soup.

I didn't find any of the levels in FFXI boring. Sure our characters didn't have a lot of skills, but that's a good thing since I wasn't very good with any of the abilities when I first started. Having more would have just confused me more, I didn't even know what 'buff' or 'debuff' meant before level 27 or so.

No limit to level?? Yikes, that scares me, I hope there is a cap otherwise I'll probably waste my entire life trying to keep up to the people who don't have jobs and can play 18 hours a day. =)
#30 Aug 20 2010 at 1:34 AM Rating: Good
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Actually I felt that the early levels of XI were more fun than the later levels where there was less newness, you were grinding in the same places on the same monsters for longer, and you had to wait longer to get a new ability or piece of equipment. In fact I think the middle of the game mostly sucked, and I for one couldn't wait to be done with it.

There are plenty of single player games out there with grind mechanics in them, and I guess once you've endured a certain amount of grinding, it's less gratifying and more, "I have better things to do than this repetitive ***************
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#31 Aug 20 2010 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
On the topic of grinding.

I usually don't have a problem with grinding: IF I can choose to do so at my own pace.

If I feel like being lazy and playing around, I do so, if I'm feel as if I want to push, then I push.

The way FFXI was built, there was really no way to do that solo. If you wanted to push, you HAD to party, and you coulden't slack off in parties unless you're with friends. It really brought an empasis to the grind that hurt the game, IMO.

Honestly, I hope they even out the benefits between grouping and partying, but I hope they don't make partying overscaled above soloing like they did in FFXI. I want the option to play with friends, not be forced into the concept.

I also love the ability swap concept, and also the remove of auto attack, this means people are going to be invited as individuals more than simply their classes (though I've no dilusions that having certain gear/abilities will come into factor for major groups.) Thanks to this crossover system, as well as the character customization, the game is going to feel a little bit more personal, which was a selling point for me in Aion.

Still, I was a member of the Nexus legion in Aion, so I knew how bad the boards were there. I never want something like what happened to AS to occure on ZAM, but it's staring to show signs.
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