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#1 Aug 19 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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Was wondering, due to all the complaints about lack of hardware mouse support, if anyone in beta has used any alternate controllers that work well? I own a Belkin n52te keypad/controller for example; anyone tried this or one of the logitech programable keyboards? The only mmo I played that I don't use keyboard/mouse for was FFXI (mainly didn't like the mouse for it)always used gamepad for XI. Every other mmo I used my Belkin n52te and Razer mouse for controls.Any input would be appreciated .
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I'm pretty sure the general (and somewhat sad) consensus is that we're going to be playing with a....Xbox 360 controller.
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#3 Aug 19 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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If I can't set things up to use only my keyboard like in FFXI, then I'll be using a logitech controler that is very similar to a Playstation style. Really, it all comes down to what the each user finds most comfortable. This is an MMO, so not using a mouse won't put you at a disadvantage like in FPS-style games.
Still, I do hope they adjust things properly by release for those who favor having a hand on the mouse.
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I'm mainly wondering about the software mouse and how it works ...will i be able to program that into the d-pad on my belkin or other keys on a programable keyboard? I have no issues with using a gamepad just curious if other options exist

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Xbox 360 controller will work perfectly with FFXIV on the PC. On Vista and Windows 7 you don't even need to install drivers. Just plug it in and Windows will detect it.
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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Oops. Sorry.

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#7 Aug 19 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Xbox 360 controller will work perfectly with FFXIV on the PC. On Vista and Windows 7 you don't even need to install drivers. Just plug it in and Windows will detect it


How is the key mapping? I bought a wireless 360 style controller for XI and I had trouble with it not recognizing the shoulder bumpers. I'd like to use it for XIV (I paid 50 bucks for the thing, **** Microsoft) but if it's the same thing I'll end up getting something else.
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What about PS3 controllers? Do those work for PC games?
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Xbox 360 controller will work perfectly with FFXIV on the PC. On Vista and Windows 7 you don't even need to install drivers. Just plug it in and Windows will detect it.

So that means I can just get myself a used Xbox 360 controller from Gamestop! Thank you Gamestop!
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What about PS3 controllers? Do those work for PC games?


Can but you need to fidn the right drivers, ive been searching but cant really find much that worked on windwos 7
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Keyboard only ftw.
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#12 Aug 19 2010 at 9:43 PM Rating: Good
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Keyboard will be my weapon. I'm curious if the Logitech G13 will be a good choice for this game.
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Xbox 360 controller will work perfectly with FFXIV on the PC. On Vista and Windows 7 you don't even need to install drivers. Just plug it in and Windows will detect it


How is the key mapping? I bought a wireless 360 style controller for XI and I had trouble with it not recognizing the shoulder bumpers. I'd like to use it for XIV (I paid 50 bucks for the thing, **** Microsoft) but if it's the same thing I'll end up getting something else.

Shoulder bumpers work, *wireless controller does not.

*wireless does not work with the charge/play cord, but i don't know if it works with some kind of wireless adapter.
if you want to plug in your 360 controller, it has to be a wired controller.


I mentioned it a bit in this thread.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1282136071287974353&page=1
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Lobivopis wrote:
Xbox 360 controller will work perfectly with FFXIV on the PC. On Vista and Windows 7 you don't even need to install drivers. Just plug it in and Windows will detect it.


That's my game plan... Just wish M$ would get off their *** and support the messenger kit (mini keyboard) on the windows drivers. I could just kick back and enjoy the game.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 9:14am by tracilordz
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I have all of the keys on my xbox360 controller mapped to something and they work. (The bix x button is not mapped as a game button for me, but it does recognize when I post it.)

I have a belkin controller somewhere around the house and I will try it tonight. I stopped using it when my daughter decided she liked it as a toy.
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Can but you need to fidn the right drivers, ive been searching but cant really find much that worked on windwos 7


Have you looked into Motionjoy?
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#17 Aug 20 2010 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I set up my wired 360 controller and it seems to work just fine. My only concern is hitting my hotkeyed stuff using a controller. Any suggestions or ideas on how that can be done? (ie. the actions in the spell bar).
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#18 Aug 20 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Default
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So you can't use a mouse to move forward by holding down both mouse buttons and use the right button to pan and the other buttons for macros, like in all the American games.

I guess that would explain why all the videos I see the movement is forward- left- left jiggle- jiggle- jerk -right -forward -right -jerk -jiggle...that only comes from using antiquated keyboards...lol

Guess the Japanese haven't gotten past the commodore 64 from the 80's, that came with a keyboard you know. :P

I mean really, I hardly ever use an old keyboard, only when voice rec doesn't work in some old programs.
Guess we will just have to put up with movement not being as smooth as using a mouse, :(
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I don't think I'll use a controller, but if I did it would be the Xbox 360's. Especially if the messenger kit worked.

The PS3 controller is OK but it's basic design is 15 years old.

The ergonomics of the 360 are so much better. Specifically the reach and comfort of the top bumpers and triggers on the PS controller, I have to shift my hands too much.

Eh. If I can map abilities to my gaming mouse I'll be set. :)
#20 Aug 20 2010 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't imagine playing FFXIV without a pad... FFXI and ps2 controller were made for eatch other (duh)... oh keyboard for occassional chatting of course lol

was planning on getting wireless xbox pad but maybe I'll try and make ps3 controller work with my pc... a bit of PITA to install drivers+bluetooth meh
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#21 Aug 20 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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Xbox 360 controller will work perfectly with FFXIV on the PC. On Vista and Windows 7 you don't even need to install drivers. Just plug it in and Windows will detect it


How is the key mapping? I bought a wireless 360 style controller for XI and I had trouble with it not recognizing the shoulder bumpers. I'd like to use it for XIV (I paid 50 bucks for the thing, **** Microsoft) but if it's the same thing I'll end up getting something else.

Shoulder bumpers work, *wireless controller does not.

*wireless does not work with the charge/play cord, but i don't know if it works with some kind of wireless adapter.
if you want to plug in your 360 controller, it has to be a wired controller.


I mentioned it a bit in this thread.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1282136071287974353&page=1


Wireless 360 works great (need wireless adapter though). "play and charge" kit is only for charging. Just wish microsoft would add support for the messenger kit. It would be nice to have the little keyboard working.
#22 Aug 20 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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PS3 Controller: Motioninjoy drivers (64-bit OS requires disabling driver enforcement). I experienced crashing on my Win7 64 machine (BSOD).

Xbox 360 Controller: Officially supported, but with poor drivers. As mentioned, the triggers don't register as buttons, so most games won't let you bind a key to them. And the official drivers don't let you use them in a button mode. Unofficial drivers can change that, but see above.

Logitech makes a PS3 controller style clone. Cheaper than both a PS3 and a Xbox 360 controller and will probably work perfectly with FFXIV as one of the only decent console style controllers out there for PCs.


In a recent interview, the devs said the biggest chunk of feedback they've gotten is about the control scheme. Expect it to continue to change even after release. I'm sure you'll eventually be able to play exactly like you do in WoW or an FPS. It's just that I guess Japanese players (who never really embraced FPS games the way NA did) don't play PC games like we do.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 2:26pm by Lindeus
#23 Aug 20 2010 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wireless 360 works great (need wireless adapter though). "play and charge" kit is only for charging. Just wish microsoft would add support for the messenger kit. It would be nice to have the little keyboard working.


I have the 360 controller for Windows so not technically a 360 controller, but a 360 controller. It is wireless with a USB adapter so it would qualify.
#24 Aug 20 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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I used a logitech gamepad on FFXI for years and have been using it for FFIVX with no issues. Awesome controller and cheap at 20 bucks, with the wireless one at 30.
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#25 Aug 20 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
I got my PS3 controller set up to my computer via blue tooth, tried my buddies beta and it worked good i thought
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#26 Aug 20 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I have used both my Xbox 360 wireless controller and all the buttons work fine including the trigger buttons for macros (which didn't in FFXI).

I also have a PS2 to PC adapter and that controller works great too.

I like the 360 controller because of the thumb stick layouts, but love the D-pad on the PS2 controller! So I will probably just switch between them.
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If I have a wireless 360 controller I just buy the $15 USB adapter, right? The play and charge kit? I don't want to buy the wireless receiver for PC.

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If I have a wireless 360 controller I just buy the $15 USB adapter, right? The play and charge kit? I don't want to buy the wireless receiver for PC.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 5:18pm by Oenos


No you need would still need Xbox 360 Wireless Gaming Receiver for Windows, the play and charge kit will only charge it.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Wireless-Gaming-Receiver-Windows-Pc/dp/B000HZFCT2/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1282339132&sr=1-1

Shop around but they don't make them anymore I don't think. They also sell it in a bundle with wireless controller.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 5:21pm by XellossM
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Last night on beta I tried my ps3 controller that I used in ffxi along with the MotionJoy drivers, DS3 Tool, etc.

I run Win. 7 x64. Anyway, it ran perfectly with some button tweaking in the config for ffxi but it made my screen go crazy with flickering and random targeting and I had to yank it out of the usb slot finally. Was never able to move at all. I got on ffxi to test it and worked great again. Anyone had ps3 controller issues in the beta?

I know about the other controller options out there..logitech, xbox but this should work IF others are being able to use them as well right now. Saw one post above who said he uses ps3 in beta.

..and yes I disabled the driver sign thing just like I did a thousand times in ffxi. Maybe the motionjoy drivers aren't prepared for ff14 yet?
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If I can't set things up to use only my keyboard like in FFXI, then I'll be using a logitech controler that is very similar to a Playstation style.


Ditto, I can't stand that I can't change the settings in beta and am slightly terrified they won't allow us to change it in the real game. I want to set it up exactly like 11. In fact, every game I have played since I left 11 I have changed my controls to mimic it.

I hope they don't ***** the pooch on this aspect.
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If I can't set things up to use only my keyboard like in FFXI, then I'll be using a logitech controler that is very similar to a Playstation style.


Ditto, I can't stand that I can't change the settings in beta and am slightly terrified they won't allow us to change it in the real game. I want to set it up exactly like 11. In fact, every game I have played since I left 11 I have changed my controls to mimic it.

I hope they don't ***** the pooch on this aspect.


Omg I know right. I wouldn't care about all the mouse issues if they would just let me use the arrow keys to control my camera like I could do in XI :(

One handed camera and character movement controls worked well for me in XI, I just want them back! :P
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So, I'm in beta and loving it, but the mouse/keyboard issues have seemed to hold true. I broke out a wired 360 controller and my PC installed the drivers immediately, but FFXIV doesn't appear to have a control option in their config settings. Any ideas as to where I can find them?
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#33 Aug 22 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I use my PS3 controller, works fantastic
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Kierk wrote:

The PS3 controller is OK but it's basic design is 15 years old.

The ergonomics of the 360 are so much better. Specifically the reach and comfort of the top bumpers and triggers on the PS controller, I have to shift my hands too much.


100% disagree. First of all who cares how old a design is if it works great? How is that evidence of anything other then longevity? In fact, thanks for giving a point to the Dualshock.

But I really just don't like the Xbox controller in comparison to a PS3 controller. But it's personal preference. Just thought it was weird you were trying to use some useless statistic to support an opinion.
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Using a cheap madcatz wired 360 controller right now in the beta, works fine except for the controller issue with the drop-down menus, gotta use mouse to get that to work

But unlike XI, I can map the triggers and bumpers the way I want which is sweet, so far using the pad to cycle through abilities isn't a big deal, but I also don't have a ton of abilities yet so we'll see how well that works later on
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Specifically the reach and comfort of the top bumpers and triggers on the PS controller, I have to shift my hands too much.


I don't have to shift my hands at all. You'd have to have hands the size of a 6 year old to need to shift your hands to use L1/L2/R1/R2. Smiley: dubious

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One handed camera and character movement controls worked well for me in XI, I just want them back! :P


This. Once there's a reduction in lag from moving **** over to client side the only things I need are: camera controls on arrow keys, and numpad+ cycling to the chatlog and buffs. What I really want is the ability customize the key for every action, but this is SE we're talking about..
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How is the key mapping? I bought a wireless 360 style controller for XI and I had trouble with it not recognizing the shoulder bumpers. I'd like to use it for XIV (I paid 50 bucks for the thing, **** Microsoft) but if it's the same thing I'll end up getting something else.


Apparently FFXIV can read the shoulder triggers. FFXI had trouble because it wasn't programmed to use sliders as buttons (which was pretty stupid)

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Depends on what version of windows you have. If you have 32-bit windows you can just install the third party PS3 gamepad driver and go. If you have 64-bit windows you have to disable driver signing enforcement because 64-bit windows will not load unsigned kernel drivers.

For 64-bit windows you have three choices.

Hit F8 every time you boot.

Set Windows to Test Mode (which is used for testing beta drivers) and create your own signature (the signature won't work unless windows is in test mode) You'll have to put up with a "TEST MODE" watermark in the lower right corner of your desktop if you do this.

Format a bootable USB memory stick and install Readydriver on it. This is a boot loader that automatically selects the advanced boot menu and disables driver signing enforcement every time you boot. You just set your first boot device to be this USB stick and forget about it.

EDIT: The "bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS" trick doesn't work anymore so don't bother with it.



Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 7:43pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#38 Aug 22 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Guess the Japanese haven't gotten past the commodore 64 from the 80's, that came with a keyboard you know. :P


The japanese players prefer using a gamepad actually.

But yes japanese gamers really don't like the mouse. It might explain why Western PC games sell so badly in Japan.

Even Blizzard pulled out of Japan because their games just didn't sell there at all.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 7:49pm by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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The PS3 controller is OK but it's basic design is 15 years old.

The ergonomics of the 360 are so much better. Specifically the reach and comfort of the top bumpers and triggers on the PS controller, I have to shift my hands too much.


100% disagree. First of all who cares how old a design is if it works great? How is that evidence of anything other then longevity? In fact, thanks for giving a point to the Dualshock.

But I really just don't like the Xbox controller in comparison to a PS3 controller. But it's personal preference. Just thought it was weird you were trying to use some useless statistic to support an opinion.



I 100% stand by my statement.

The 15 year old design might have worked great, when I was 15; when it was new and when there were really no other alternative controllers, but it certainly is subpar to the evolved Xbox 360 controller's ergonomics.

The fact that the PS controller is a 15 year old design is testament to longevity, yes. But it is also indicative of stagnant design, laziness, a practical decision and or a financial decision.

Sure it boils down to personal preference but I'm not going to blindly excuse the rehashing of a product when another suits me better.
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Kierk wrote:

The 15 year old design might have worked great, when I was 15; when it was new and when there were really no other alternative controllers, but it certainly is subpar to the evolved Xbox 360 controller's ergonomics.


The old Xbox S type controller (the small one, not the original giant one) was more ergonomic than the Xbox 360 controller. It's shape fit more comfortably in your hands that the 360 controller does. It had a better dpad too.

Really sucks that you simply can't get them anymore because they made fantastic PC gamepads (the third party clones just aren't the same)



Edited, Aug 23rd 2010 12:25am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#41 Aug 23 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
After I got over the fact that I can't use my K+M for any fluid control outside of menus, I grabbed my DualShock 3 and followed the steps to setup in Test Mode. I have one of those Gamestop brand XBox360 controllers, as well as the stock 360 controller, but I'm not a fan of their design, so they'd be a last resort for me. If you can ignore the clock on your taskbar, you can ignore the watermark in Test Mode -- it really is that small and inconspicuous. It took about 5 minutes to get everything up and running with 64-bit Win7, and the controller maps beautifully to FFXIV. Menus on the D-pad, left analog movement, right analog camera, face buttons set up like every SNES and PS# final fantasy game I've played. L2 and R2 make nice macro shoulders, too.
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Any USB controller will work.

Use this to remap every button to whatever corresponding keyboard key you want.

http://www.xpadder.com/

After it is setup you can put your mouse and keyboard away completely.

Don't forget to map the active/passive mode button, which is "L" (I use right stick press for this). And map "ESC" and "Tab". (I use L1 and R1). The UI has not given me any trouble that I can think of.
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http://www.motioninjoy.com/download

for ps3 controller drivers, ive used my ps3 controller for many things and its worked great, what first got me interested was racing games but i found it worked great for XI too. And i use Win 7 x64, in test mode.
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I started using a controller, but I have a Belkin n52te that I've finally got dialed in to the game, and man does it rock. I can completely control my character, camera, action toggle, tab, and several other things with it, which leaves my right hand free to mash the enter key and use arrows to navigate the menu. I expect to come up with a post on the matter soon. Configuring the joystick on it to move the camera around was tricky to get used to but I'll never go back.
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Awesome^^ thank you Wint. I've really gotten used to my belkin for other MMO's, so I'll have to try it out in XIV. Hate to see it sit there and collect dust. I'll give my logitech controller a go as well and see what feels best for me.
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After I got over the fact that I can't use my K+M for any fluid control outside of menus, I grabbed my DualShock 3 and followed the steps to setup in Test Mode. I have one of those Gamestop brand XBox360 controllers, as well as the stock 360 controller, but I'm not a fan of their design, so they'd be a last resort for me. If you can ignore the clock on your taskbar, you can ignore the watermark in Test Mode -- it really is that small and inconspicuous.


I just use a bootable USB stick with Readydriver installed on it to automatically select the advanced boot menu and then "disable driver signing enforcement" whenever my PC boots.
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#47 Aug 24 2010 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
I have a Nyko Airflow controller I picked up from a Goodwill store that works perfectly. Windows 7 detected it immediately and installed the drivers. It works fine with FFXI without a hitch. My only concern at this point is I can't access my "items" right away unless I go into my inventory from the main menu and can't toggle between AoE or single-target for spells with a controller. These have to be done manually but might even be fixed before retail so they're only minor peeves right now.
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