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#1 Aug 20 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Before i drop £900 on this pc id like a second opinion, there are afew things that im not willing to get lowered or be upgraded but the majority id like to know if there is a better option.

If the specs look fine, what kind of settings do you see this setup playing XIV comfortably on? thanks in advance.

Case: Coolmaster Elite 310
Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 955 (3.2ghz/8mb cache/AM3)
Motherboard: ASUS M4A87TD/usb3: Dual DDR3, SATA 6.0GBS, USB 3.0
Memory: 4GB Samsung DDR3 Dual-DDR3 1333mhz (2x2GB)
Graphics Card: 1GB Nvida Geforce Gtx460 GDDR5 PCI Express - Directx 11
Hard drive: 1TB WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX, SATA 6.0GBS, 64MB Cache (7200 rpm)
Dvd drive: 24x Dual Layer Dvd Writer
PSU: 600W Quiet 80 Plus Quad Rail PSU 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling: Standard AMD CPU Cooler
Sound: Onboard 8 Channel (7.1) High Def Audio
Network: Onboard 10/100/1000 gigabit lan port
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Monitor: IIYAMA E2271HDS 22" LED Widescreen, HDMI/DVI-D Full HD 1920x1080
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#2 Aug 20 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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Everything looks good to me. I dont know AMD cpu but if its on par or better than the i7 930 i have then you should be fine. I have same gpu you have and i score 4000+ on benchmark and it looks unreal on my monitor which is only 20" but also looks great on my 42" lcd hdtv im in heaven. So I dont think should have issues with specs. Also I am not in beta so i havent tested actual game yet but I think we will both be ok with medium to high settings and definately no problems on the lowest.
#3 Aug 20 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
I have the same CPU and I get 4200-4300 on low. My monitor doesn't support the 1080 res so I can't run the high res beta test. That said low res is CPU dependent so - that is what that cpu essentially scores... I think people here might suggest you upgrade the power supply, because the consensus is it is worth it to have more than you need with the PS - so that it is one less thing you need to upgrade later... (I have 750 W)

I think you would get nice performance with this. I haven't taken my rig for a test run but our builds are very similar (I have a Radeon 5850 though)
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#4 Aug 20 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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I have the same CPU and I get 4200-4300 on low. My monitor doesn't support the 1080 res so I can't run the high res beta test. That said low res is CPU dependent so - that is what that cpu essentially scores... I think people here might suggest you upgrade the power supply, because the consensus is it is worth it to have more than you need with the PS - so that it is one less thing you need to upgrade later... (I have 750 W)

I think you would get nice performance with this. I haven't taken my rig for a test run but our builds are very similar (I have a Radeon 5850 though)


I agree that the Power Supply Unit can stand to be upgraded. That PSU will function, but will be limiting later on.
#5 Aug 20 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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As a spec in general this build looks perfectly fine. I don't have any benchmark figures to give you, but am instead going by the components in your build.

Olo is right to mention the PSU although a link would help pinpoint the model for full specs - wattage alone is not enough to make a decision. If it's the be quiet model I think the 12v rails are lacking a touch giving the 700w a bit of a false security.

Perhaps get a separate HSF (CPU cooler) and make sure your case has adequate cooling.

I would also recommend a bigger monitor if possible as 1920 on a 22" seems a bit small. (I use 22" for 1680 res and will be getting a 24" for 1920).

For the cost the 460 is fine and will run this game fine on low. It should run it decently on high with medium settings.
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#6 Aug 20 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks all for your reply's, ill look into making the PSU bigger. Also will look at monitor but i may not have enough cash to upgrade much more.
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#7 Aug 20 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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OK... So I'm gonna be nice and not make another thread, so I'll ask in this one to help with clutter.
This is the PC I'm looking to get from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227257

The Specs are:
Processor AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(2.8GHz)
Processor Main Features 64 bit Six-Core Processor
Cache Per Processor 6 x 512KB L2 Cache
Memory 4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333 (Corsair Dominator)
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5750 1GB
Power Supply 700W

For more info just click the link. But this is what I'm looking to purchase. Only thing I saw that made me raise an eyebrow was the 4gigs of memory. But according to the site this can easily be upgraded up to 16gigs. So If I bring it up to 6 gigs, is this a decent PC for $900(after tax and shipping)?
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#8 Aug 20 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
TaruHunk I would suggest getting a quadcore cpu and then putting the extra money towards a 58xx series GPU... but others might suggest otherwise.
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#9 Aug 20 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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For more info just click the link. But this is what I'm looking to purchase. Only thing I saw that made me raise an eyebrow was the 4gigs of memory.


4 gigs is just fine.

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Ah this is a package deal. I think it would do fine but I worry a bit about the GPU. Others may disagree. I am no expert - I just built my first comp this week!

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 10:24am by Olorinus
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#10 Aug 20 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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In my opinion it's a strange combination of CPU and GPU. The GPU is fairly weak in comparison not to mention a generation behind the CPU (should really be coupled with a 58xx series.)

We don't even know if the game will make proper use of 6 cores yet (was that ever confirmed?), but we know it will use GPU power. See if you can find a build which uses an ATI 5770, 5850, 5870 or a GTX 4xx series. ( if cheap enough a GTX 280+)

Also forget about RAM increase, but think about getting higher speed ram (1600).
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#11 Aug 20 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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FFan: where are you buying from? I noticed you mention GBP? I'm from UK and have been trawling UK sites for best prices/combos, I might be able to help source cheaper stuff.
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#12 Aug 20 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, not sure if this is any help at all but these are my specs and I paid 915.00 which included the base price, upgrading and S&H.

CAS: Raidmax Typhoon Gaming Mid-Tower Case
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-760 2.80 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1156
FAN: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan
HDD: 500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P7H55 Intel H55 Express Chipset DDR3 LGA1156 ATX w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, 1 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 3 PCI
MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1333MHz Dual Channel Memory
POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts - XtremeGear Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card

I score about 4450-4510 on low res and about 2550 on high res w/ this set up. To save some money I just hooked it up to the 26" tv I have and it looks great.

Hope this helps.
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#13 Aug 20 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Case: Coolmaster Elite 310
Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 955 (3.2ghz/8mb cache/AM3)
Motherboard: ASUS M4A87TD/usb3: Dual DDR3, SATA 6.0GBS, USB 3.0
Memory: 4GB Samsung DDR3 Dual-DDR3 1333mhz (2x2GB)
Graphics Card: 1GB Nvida Geforce Gtx460 GDDR5 PCI Express - Directx 11
Hard drive: 1TB WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX, SATA 6.0GBS, 64MB Cache (7200 rpm)
Dvd drive: 24x Dual Layer Dvd Writer
PSU: 600W Quiet 80 Plus Quad Rail PSU 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling: Standard AMD CPU Cooler
Sound: Onboard 8 Channel (7.1) High Def Audio
Network: Onboard 10/100/1000 gigabit lan port
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Monitor: IIYAMA E2271HDS 22" LED Widescreen, HDMI/DVI-D Full HD 1920x1080


I have the same CPU OC'd to 3.5gHz and a 5770 GPU, I score 4350 on the bench @ low. I would suggest getting a larger PSU like everyone says and getting an aftermarket HSF. My 955 runs a bit toasty under load, did so even before the OC. Besides, better CPU cooling is never a bad thing.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 11:14am by SkinwalkerAsura
#14 Aug 20 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I just got the case in for my wife, it's actually extremely well crafted for the price point. However I did have to get a new Modular PSU because there is 0 cable management options in the case. Also some of the bigger video cards might not fit, I do know that GTS 8800s fit in there though.

Depends on the reviews but some have said air flow is better with only the single stock fan. I'm throwing all the fans in anyway. Also you will need right angle sata connectors if you want the cables in the back side of the case.

If you have the money I'd suggest one of the higher budget mid-tower cases, the Storm Sniper/Scout are both pretty well regarded.

There's a few videos of the case on youtube.
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#15 Aug 20 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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RSquires wrote:
Well, not sure if this is any help at all but these are my specs and I paid 915.00 which included the base price, upgrading and S&H.

CAS: Raidmax Typhoon Gaming Mid-Tower Case
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-760 2.80 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1156
FAN: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan
HDD: 500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P7H55 Intel H55 Express Chipset DDR3 LGA1156 ATX w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, 1 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 3 PCI
MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1333MHz Dual Channel Memory
POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts - XtremeGear Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card

I score about 4450-4510 on low res and about 2550 on high res w/ this set up. To save some money I just hooked it up to the 26" tv I have and it looks great.

Hope this helps.


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#16 Aug 20 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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#17 Aug 20 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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#18 Aug 20 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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OK... So say no to the pc somebody recommended me. Can anyone point me in the direction of a quality PC for around $800-850? After shipping and taxes the most I can spend is $900. I already have a moniter. If someone could help me out so I can order a pc today I'd really appreciate it! Thank u!!!
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#19 Aug 20 2010 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I been looking at the same issue for a bit and got stuck with a few different builds in my head. I've been building gaming rigs for many years and I'm starting to lean on two different builds:

The two main being:

i7 1366 (either the 920 or 930 look hot atm)
i5 750 - which can hit close to 4 Ghz on air...

The P55 is a middleground chipset, but contains many newer features found on the X58 platform. The reason this is appealing to budget gamers is strictly one reason: cost. We can still get near to 4 Ghz, but the P55 platform will get you there cheaper. You will be missing Intel Hyper Threading if you go this route but you would never notice it.

Observe latest pricing from newegg:

i7 920 CPU - $280.00 usd <---- X58/1366
i5 750 CPU - $200.00 usd <---- P55/1156

the same discounting applies to the motherboards as well...

i7 1366 mobo - $240.00 usd <---- X58
i5 1156 mobo - $150.00 usd <---- P55

I've read alot of reviews lately and the AMD ship is sinking again. It's just best to avoid them if you want to chase the 7k+ benchmark score. AMD will have a issue getting there no matter how much dry ice you want to use.

So if you want a 800 dollar monster here would be my build, which BTW you are under no obligation to follow, just a plan on how I'm gonna get there....

CPU - Intel i5 750 200.00
evga P55 SLI motherboard 150.00 (EVGA P55 Micro SLI Mainboard 121-LF-E652-KR) amazon.com
RAM - lots to choose debateable
Videocard - Galaxy 1GB 460 GTX 200.00

There might be flammage sent upon me, but look closely.... this P55 mobo uses DDR2 ... for the sake of speed, DDR3 is not that much better than DDR2. We are not here to be the fastest... but fast... at a reasonable price. DDR2 kits are way, way cheaper than DDR3 no matter what speed.

Many people will be ditching DDR2 kits on ebay in favor of the foolish DDR3 upgrade. You could get smoking deals on DDR2 kits....

SATA 2 drive prices are cheaper than ****, SSD will push them down further as time goes by. 1 TB SATA 2 drives for 50-60 bucks. You can't go wrong.

The Galaxy is budget minded.... but it's a 1GB DDR5 NVIDIA 460 ... there is no better bang for the dollar, even though most people here are ATI fans. Don't fall for the hype machine. 460 is the way to go... because while not "the fastest" ...it's very fast and at a great price. that's a tiger direct price btw.

So yeah lets recap:

- Almost hit 4 Ghz on air cooling
- Save big money over a i7
- more power than a AMD
- Cheap SLI
- Use scavenged parts for a c2d or old AMD rig:
600 watt psu minimum
sata 2 hard drives
DDR2 ram modules (cheaper!)
CD/DVD

Like I said my advice is not for everyone, it's best to do more research, but what your looking for is maximum power for the dollar spent ratio. AMD was ok a year or two ago, but it's a iCore world now. Look at the benchmarks to see the truth.

Another $200 dollar Galaxy card will push your benchmark score to 6k+ .... theres a i7 930 with overclocked 460s in SLI on youtube pushing the 7000 mark. We can't catch that guy, but we can spend a lot less and be close.
#20 Aug 20 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure that i read somehwere, the recommended cpu for FF XIV is either an i7 x4 or a phenom x6.

Yeah, i knew i read it somewhere.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1279658096150256270&howmany=50

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 6:03pm by Teneleven
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#21 Aug 20 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Regarding your comments on AMD, AMD still has the best bang for your buck.
#22 Aug 21 2010 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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FFan: where are you buying from? I noticed you mention GBP? I'm from UK and have been trawling UK sites for best prices/combos, I might be able to help source cheaper stuff.
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I was planning on using http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ due to them building the pc for you, since i dont have a clue how to do it myself.
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#23 Aug 21 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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I spent $700 at newegg, bought a decent computer for $500 and spent $170 on a video card and I benchmarked at 3467 low res. Here's the specs:
Computer Stats:
AMD Athlon II X4 630(2.80GHz)
64 bit Quad-Core Processor
4GB ram
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
ATI Radeon hd 5770

I think it was a good deal for the $
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#24 Aug 21 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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FFan:

Hard to compare as a lot of details not really given on that site (also I don't know the exact spec you've chosen). Hard to choose the same key components as well on other sites, however I think I may have found something that comes close.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-035-OP
On special offer this week with W7 64 bit Home Premium is £603

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-064-GI&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1830
1GB GTX 460 OC edition is £176 (you can probably call them up to get it put into the machine, there is a number on the first link if you want to amend the spec.)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-058-IY
Is a similar monitor (but no HDMI), for £118.

All inc P&P is about £910.

I don't think it includes a mouse and keyboard though. But you can tweak a few options (like get a different monitor, or GFX card) to suit. THe CPU is quite a bit better though, and the PSU although a lower wattage is a much better quality. The HD is smaller though, but I would think the improvement on other stuff is worth it.


Edited, Aug 21st 2010 12:44pm by Kreisash
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