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#1 Aug 20 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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The ZAM team is very sorry to announce that Square Enix has requested that we remove the items database from the FFXIV site. We would like to assure the community that we are working with Square Enix to get this part of our site back up and running, but at this time, we're unable to determine when that will be.

In the meantime, we would appreciate your continued support to grow our thriving forum community. It's become a very enjoyable place to be for both our staff and our community and we are eager to see it grow further as launch date approaches.
#2 Aug 20 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Aug 20 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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That's kind of lame, actually. I mean, what would drum up more interest than the playerbase's favorite pastime: Comparing this stat versus that stat and long drawn out hypothetical theorycrafting of math and like... Stuff.

Meh, nothing they do surprises me anymore. It's a pity though that so close to the game's alleged launch they are trying to pull the plug on anything that might advertise it.
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Yeah, you would think people getting all excited looking at items would be a good thing. ;)
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I don't understand SE sometimes.
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#6 Aug 20 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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It already allowed me to map out weapon/armor progression for a couple jobs at least.

I'm just ready for the recipes to be released.
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The first rule of FFXIV is: You do not talk about FFXIV.


I was just thinkin' that...watched Fight Club earlier
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probably because recipe's are a' changing as usual, using different stats, etc etc..
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#9 Aug 20 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think SE doesn't grasp the concept that "casual players" aren't willing to shell out $50 to buy a game they know nothing about.

I mean, they already have people like me who plan to play it because I loved XI. But they talk about how they want to attract new people who have never played an MMORPG before and people who are casual players... Casual players and people who have never played an MMORPG before want to look into a game BEFORE they play it, not AFTER.

I just don't get the logic behind "We're not going to tell you anything about our product, but we expect it to be hugely successful". If someone is looking into FFXIV, they usually have three questions in mind:

1) How similar to FFXI is it?
2) How different from FFXI is it?
3) Why should I play it?

And if you can't answer those simple *** questions, then they won't care and they'll go play something else that DOES advertise.

****, even fast food joints get the idea of telling you what's on their burgers and showing you pictures of them. Would you walk into a fast food joint and order "a number 3" without even knowing what a number 3 is? Some people would, but most people will just go elsewhere.

And if they want everyone to go elsewhere, then hey, keep up the good work.
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#10 Aug 20 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
Thought that might happen.

For those who don't understand. SE is obsessed with keeping a 'polished image' when it comes to statistics, imagry, etc. So when they're uncertain of something, they try not to releace too much info. That likely why videos of FFXIV arn't not allowed to be releaced when Screenshots are. They're still working on the pacing of the game and they for the most part want to preserve the 'New feeling' of the game as much as they can for their releace players.

Still, I question it. SE's behavior can be boggeling at times.
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I enjoyed the DB while it was around. I look forward to it being reinstated.
#12 Aug 20 2010 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I think SE doesn't grasp the concept that "casual players" aren't willing to shell out $50 to buy a game they know nothing about.

I mean, they already have people like me who plan to play it because I loved XI. But they talk about how they want to attract new people who have never played an MMORPG before and people who are casual players... Casual players and people who have never played an MMORPG before want to look into a game BEFORE they play it, not AFTER.

I just don't get the logic behind "We're not going to tell you anything about our product, but we expect it to be hugely successful". If someone is looking into FFXIV, they usually have three questions in mind:

1) How similar to FFXI is it?
2) How different from FFXI is it?
3) Why should I play it?

And if you can't answer those simple *** questions, then they won't care and they'll go play something else that DOES advertise.

****, even fast food joints get the idea of telling you what's on their burgers and showing you pictures of them. Would you walk into a fast food joint and order "a number 3" without even knowing what a number 3 is? Some people would, but most people will just go elsewhere.

And if they want everyone to go elsewhere, then hey, keep up the good work.


Yeah, some of their marketing strategy is odd...like with XI I had no idea about it until I saw it on a shelf...at wal-mart no less...maybe they want to keep things on the DL until a few months in, even near the PS3 release, then go with some serious advertising once things are running smoother, probably don't want the potential casual players getting on and promptly running away...

It'd be nice if they gave us hardcore folk more info, but they also know most of us will buy the game anyway...
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Now this makes me even more curious as to how the item data was obtained.
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#14 Aug 20 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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Hyrist, ****** Superhero wrote:
Thought that might happen.

For those who don't understand. SE is obsessed with keeping a 'polished image' when it comes to statistics, imagry, etc. So when they're uncertain of something, they try not to releace too much info. That likely why videos of FFXIV arn't not allowed to be releaced when Screenshots are. They're still working on the pacing of the game and they for the most part want to preserve the 'New feeling' of the game as much as they can for their releace players.

Still, I question it. SE's behavior can be boggeling at times.


I agree with this post.

I don't know if it is a SE thing or a Japanese thing, but SE is and always has been "Our way or the highway."

And I think that has to do a lot with artistic intention and less to do with control...or at least I hope so.

I think SE's learned a lot and this time around with FFXIV they are realizing the importance of other's opinions. But when they do stuff like this, without an official statement, it makes them look distant and weird.
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This really annoys me. ZAM took the time to put together a cool item database, which was not against the NDA because it was basically just screenshots of the items, and SE slaps ZAM if the face and kicks ZAM in the balls for trying to make something cool that will get people more excited about the game.

This is just like the time when Elmer put up a description of the FFXIV CGI video at TGS, and that got SE's panties in a twist and they asked it to be taken down.

Seriously, SE needs to let fans be fans, and let them do these projects related to FFXIV, because that's what fans like to do!
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Cyiode wrote:
This really annoys me. ZAM took the time to put together a cool item database, which was not against the NDA because it was basically just screenshots of the items, and SE slaps ZAM if the face and kicks ZAM in the balls for trying to make something cool that will get people more excited about the game.

This is just like the time when Elmer put up a description of the FFXIV CGI video at TGS, and that got SE's panties in a twist and they asked it to be taken down.

Seriously, SE needs to let fans be fans, and let them do these projects related to FFXIV, because that's what fans like to do!


Well items right now are still subject to change. And it is completly up to SE wether or not they should be shown. I agree i would like to see them and look over them and stuff. But Zam's gota preety good realtiopnship with SE as far as i know, they did give them beta keys to give away after all. And For whatever reason SE wants it removed for now. Zam will listen.

SE probably has good reasons, but i doupt they will let us know . Im accualy okay with that, Game isnt out yet they dont really need to let people see things yet either, them dropping parts of the NDA for us to see things wasnt even nessesary for them to do. Glad they did though. So instead of complaining about it, wich i can also understand why people would ;), im not going to for the reason im thankfull of what they shown us so far. Thoes videos for "the making of the relm" still show quite a bit. just not as detaild as the items.
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#17 Aug 20 2010 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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SE is just so **** controlling with their game, and half the time they don't even give fair warning.
You can't release beta keys yet.
You can't show the items, even though we said you could share game pictures.
You can't curse even though there's a language filter and a blacklist and we might ban you.
You can't sell muffins to the npc and make more gil than you spent on ingredients and we're going to ban you.
You can't kill AV using the wall and we're going to ban you.
You can't take advantage of treasure pool glitches and we're going to ban you.
You can't abuse the joy emote with the opo-opo and we're going to ban you.
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There's a slight difference between asking ZAM to remove the item database and enforcing ToS/abuse issues (like the AV wall and treasure glitches).

The item database might give people kind of a false knowledge of how the game will play upon retail. Plus some of the data mined from the beta might be totally trashed and unused. Maybe the fencer gear will be killed off and never to be heard of again? S-E likes to make the MMO's an enigma. They want players to find out information first hand. I mean look at XI and all the little things that players have to figure out (and many they haven't figured out yet).

*edit* Basically, they only want information to be available from what players can actually see at the moment. Not what can be found by opening the dat files. It'd be awkward to ask to remove the potential GM gear but let ZAM keep up misc items.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 6:51pm by WileyJT
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#19 Aug 20 2010 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe, I just wonder how SE asks admins to do things sometimes.
Do they send out a polite email explaining the situation or is it more of a cease and desist type thing.
My post was about SE's tendency to be controlling and over react.
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#20 Aug 20 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I can tell you guys one thing, SE likes to keep everyone guessing. All throughout beta, they have been moving items from vendor to vendor. They have changed the placement of some mobs, as they will again for open beta. Who's to say they won't change the stats on a portion of the items that were listed?
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There's a slight difference between asking ZAM to remove the item database and enforcing ToS/abuse issues (like the AV wall and treasure glitches).

The item database might give people kind of a false knowledge of how the game will play upon retail. Plus some of the data mined from the beta might be totally trashed and unused. Maybe the fencer gear will be killed off and never to be heard of again? S-E likes to make the MMO's an enigma. They want players to find out information first hand. I mean look at XI and all the little things that players have to figure out (and many they haven't figured out yet).

*edit* Basically, they only want information to be available from what players can actually see at the moment. Not what can be found by opening the dat files. It'd be awkward to ask to remove the potential GM gear but let ZAM keep up misc items.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 6:51pm by WileyJT


This doesn't make much sense, once the game is released people are going to post up data that is .dat mined anyway. Yeah, the data being posted up right now might not be the final item data, but so what, that shouldn't make a difference as to the impression people are gonna get of the game. If someone finds subligar items and decides not to play the game because they exist, then that's just stupid.

If I was SE, I would purposely put fake items in the .dat files to throw people off (such as a Miqo'te in a bikini figurine).
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Well, I'm sure once the game goes retail there won't be an issue. I mean S-E hasn't asked ZAM to take down the item tools for FFXI. It's just that they might be trying to keep some of the mystery. But only S-E knows what the true purpose was.

Though I do agree with adding totally fake and crazy items to the dat files just to create confusion for the people that are mining for information. Moogle race only poofball armor would be my oddball item of choice.
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#23 Aug 20 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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They just have their panties in a bunch because it hinted at completely "secret" classes, and they feel the need to remain 110% in control of all media tied to their games. I'm trying to drive pro-orders for the thing at my Gamestop but only twice out of say about 30 customers has someone not answered with, "But didn't 13 just come out? I didn't know there was a 14." a HUGE number of people don't even know this game exists! It's stone age marketing to not try and sell your product until after it comes out!
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They just have their panties in a bunch because it hinted at completely "secret" classes, and they feel the need to remain 110% in control of all media tied to their games. I'm trying to drive pro-orders for the thing at my Gamestop but only twice out of say about 30 customers has someone not answered with, "But didn't 13 just come out? I didn't know there was a 14." a HUGE number of people don't even know this game exists! It's stone age marketing to not try and sell your product until after it comes out!


Yeah, I have wondered about their marketing stategy (i.e. none) since I first played XI. The only reason I knew about XI was because it came free with my PS2 HDD. I never saw a commercial, and there really wasn't much in the way of print ads in the appropriate periodicals. You can't go 30 minutes without seeing a WoW commercial on some channels, and they already have an astronomical subscription base.
I don't know, SE really shines in some of the things they are good at, and the things they aren't good at, well, they don't seem to do a whole **** of a lot to work on them (I'm talking about unforgivable update speeds, marketing, community relations etc).
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