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#52 Aug 22 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I get an absolute kick out of the people's "OMG, get a life nerd" posts. Just can't decide whats funnier, nerds calling other people nerds, or the fact that they just don't get it. The point isn't about people playing for hours on end, it's about giving your customers the choice to do so. Yea, yea. If you don't like it don't buy it blah blah blah but lets just pretend for a moment FFXIV is the only game around.

What would you do if suddenly cable companies decided that you only need to watch TV just one hour a day? The phone companies decide you only need to talk on the phone just 30 minutes a day and only send out 5 text? You electric company decided at 9 PM it's lights out. Water company decided you can only bath from 8am to 9am. **** your car will only run for one hour a day?

Maybe it's just an American thing but I value my freedom of choice.
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#53 Aug 22 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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What would you do if suddenly cable companies decided that you only need to watch TV just one hour a day? The phone companies decide you only need to talk on the phone just 30 minutes a day and only send out 5 text? You electric company decided at 9 PM it's lights out. Water company decided you can only bath from 8am to 9am. **** your car will only run for one hour a day?


That's a little too overdramatic. Once again, it's not like you can't grind once the Surplus EXP kicks in. You can, just at a slower pace.
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#54 Aug 22 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe SE designed the game the way it is to go along with another announcement they made ; cheaper FFXI if you play both games. You have no more leve's to do...go play XI, your getting surplus xp ...go play XI for your "hardcore" grind game.
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#55 Aug 22 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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In FFXI you were forced to level a subjob to complement your main job. Isn't it the same here? I think i figured it out!! This isnt a way to punish hardcore players, this is actually punishing casual players. The reason behind this is that, similar to a subjob, it strengthens your character because u get to use abilities from other classes.


The GAME didn't force you to level a subjob, the PLAYERS forced you to level a subjob. You could have gone all the way to the end as a WHM 75/BLM 1 if you were able to find parties that would accept you. Surplus Exp is a lot different.

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#56 Aug 22 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't want to make this post, but after reading this thread, and seeing this way to many times:

"go outside and play kids!" is not an opinion, it is by it's very nature, a command.
"I think/believe you should go outside and play kids!" is an opinion.

"go read a book" is not an opinion, once again, it is a command.
"I think/believe people should go read a book" is an opinion.

These are of course just examples, and I hate to pick yours out, but there are a lot of people who will defend what they've said, by calling it an opinion. If it is your opinion, write it as an opinion, our language has rules for a reason.
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#57 Aug 22 2010 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's a little too overdramatic. Once again, it's not like you can't grind once the Surplus EXP kicks in. You can, just at a slower pace.


You can't just grind, once it gets in the red surplus skill can get to 90-100%. This means your basically killing stuff for nothing at all, even during guildleves.
#58 Aug 22 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Once again, in my OPINION a lot people who play MMO's spend too much time playing them and are at a high risk of being addicted. This is my opinion and YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT :)

i think there is a difference between having an opinion and having a concern.
its 100% your right to post and have an opinion, but its 100% wrong for you to concern yourself with something like that, especially something most people in the game industry consider to be somewhat trivial to worry about since most of the players are 18+ adults who know what they are doing with this aspect of their lives.
so posting your concern on other players opinions and gaming lifestyles is just trolling, not expression of opinion.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 7:43pm by pixelpop
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#59 Aug 22 2010 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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The internet keeps on labeling things opinions that are not so much opinions as judgments.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 7:58pm by FaithseekerOishii
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#60 Aug 22 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
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There is an alternative to this, you could just not play Smiley: smile Holy crap people have their panties in a twist. It's not like they sold you the game and then said "HAHA! Now you can't level the same job whenever you want!". You know about it ahead of time, so go cancel your pre-order if it bugs you that bad. Or try to play the game the way they are designing it. If the design is bad, they'll loose players and either fix the issue or the game will fail. Or enough people will decide that this works for them, and play happily.


Well put. I agree 100%
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#61 Aug 22 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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You guys are paying a monthly fee to play the game that SE has created. If you choose to spend money on this game, then you knew beforehand how it was meant to be.
It isn't about paying money to do what you want in the game, they are not stopping you from doing that. They have a system implemented in their game to force people to change roles for what ever reason. You are paying to play a game with this system implemented.

Don't try to turn this in to something that is against your will. You DON'T have to play this game. I'm amazed how zealous some of you are. You honestly believe you're not getting what you're paying for? The game is not even in retail yet! How can you even justify your moronic arguments about being restricted to play the game you're paying for.

For shame...some of you really need a reality check.
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#62 Aug 22 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll still be playing the game, and I don't know about some of the other comments, but for me it's just stating my disapproval. I'm not threatening to cancel my preorder & such. And yea, we don't know exactly how the system works and how it will be in retail. That works both ways though, the people blindly defending it don't know exactly how it's going to play out either. They may end up hating it too...

Really, I would do less complaining about it if I heard something more from SE. Here's hoping someone asks for details about this in an upcoming interview...
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#63 Aug 22 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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Well, as much as I don't agree with the surplus system (and think that in conjunction with the current stat point swapping system, it's positively terrible), I think it's too early to get too worried about it. Couldn't it be that the reason people are hitting surplus so easily is because EXP in beta is so inflated (from what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong on that)? Would it be unreasonable to think that the extent of the surplus (to the point where you get no EXP) is inflated as well?

Like I said, I don't agree with the system either, but as long as the beta players who dislike it are reporting their dislike of it on the beta forums, that's the most we can do right? Personally, I'd rather not let it entirely ruin my anticipation of the game. If surplus is the way of the game on release, our only other option (besides dealing with it) would be not to play at all. While that's a valid choice, I'd imagine that it would be the less desirable of the two, even for hardcore gamers.

I just hope that people can look past it and not let it ruin the experience (or the anticipation) for them too much. There may only be 5% of the retail game available to beta players now (with EXPing being one of your very limited options for things to do), but when the full 100% is available, along with all of our friends who did not make it into beta, I don't think many people will be hitting that surplus; at least not early on. Unless people really don't intend on any "stopping to smell the roses," such as exploration or discovery. Heck, maybe by the time you get past that stage of the game, you'll be used to it, or will have found some method around it according to your tastes. We did, after all, get used to other similarly distasteful game mechanics that shouldn't be in MMORPGs... Looking at you, deleveling.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 8:50pm by Kaelia88

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 8:51pm by Kaelia88
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#64 Aug 22 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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I'm going to try my hand at guessing wat SE is thinking.

Guess A: Random guess, i know its unlikely
1. A balance lvl30 glad with ability from multiple class decide to LFM.
2. He found a lancer but doesn't know wat skill he has. (SE dun have any function in place to check /sub)
3. SE want a way to ensure that the lvl30 lancer is not too gimp cos he refuse to level anything else
4. SE invent surplus xp to "force" you to do something else, which if the lancer love his class so much he will lvl other class.

Guess B: SE vision for the game
1. SE decide that everyone should learn to enjoy "everything" the game has to offer rather den doing 1 area
2. SE believe that players that focus on 1 area only are usually far ahead from the pack making party at that stage difficult.
3. SE believe they should hold our hands and guide us to what we should be doing, thats what the casual player wants right.

Guess C: The SE we know
1. SE ain't sure abt the balancing issue atm
2. They want us to "test" the balance slowly so they could react
3. Having a high lvl class without additional class ability complaining content is too hard is... bad
4. SE beileve in creating a world where they are the gods and you are the peasents paying tax (joking joking)


SE ain't reducing our playtime or forcing us to log off... Hardcore play will still be better den the casual as they have more option on abilities to equip. SE are jus forcing us to do different things. Can't say i agree or disagree with this because the timing/amount isn't set in stone yet. I'm leveling crafting/fieldcraft and DoM, so i haven't get to see surplus xp yet.
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#65 Aug 22 2010 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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You guys are paying a monthly fee to play the game that SE has created. If you choose to spend money on this game, then you knew beforehand how it was meant to be.
It isn't about paying money to do what you want in the game, they are not stopping you from doing that. They have a system implemented in their game to force people to change roles for what ever reason. You are paying to play a game with this system implemented.

Don't try to turn this in to something that is against your will. You DON'T have to play this game. I'm amazed how zealous some of you are. You honestly believe you're not getting what you're paying for? The game is not even in retail yet! How can you even justify your moronic arguments about being restricted to play the game you're paying for.

For shame...some of you really need a reality check.


A reality check...really? Reports of exp surplus haven't exactly been glowing so voicing opinions is exactly what everybody should do. That's how this goes; you get a taste for what they have to offer and you critique it for the sake of making the game better. That's what people want: a quality gaming experience. Save the high horse for after the game is released. Actually put that horse away for good since developers need feedback to improve the game for the players that keep them in business.

SE makes some great games, but they aren't perfect. Just because they have some grand idea doesn't mean it will work for the best and the player base should let them know when they have reservations. Was anybody here a Socom player from the early days of that game? Tell everybody what happened to that franchise when Zipper didn't listen to their loyal player base.
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A reality check...really? Reports of exp surplus haven't exactly been glowing so voicing opinions is exactly what everybody should do. That's how this goes; you get a taste for what they have to offer and you critique it for the sake of making the game better. That's what people want: a quality gaming experience. Save the high horse for after the game is released. Actually put that horse away for good since developers need feedback to improve the game for the players that keep them in business.

SE makes some great games, but they aren't perfect. Just because they have some grand idea doesn't mean it will work for the best and the player base should let them know when they have reservations. Was anybody here a Socom player from the early days of that game? Tell everybody what happened to that franchise when Zipper didn't listen to their loyal player base.


You're misunderstanding my post. I'm not against critiquing the game. What I am against is the argument some people are using. They are stating that they are paying to enjoy the game and that this is going to limit what they are paying for when it isn't.

I am actually against the entire thing since it might crash parties. Someone hits surplus exp and then they ditch you.
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#67 Aug 22 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I think they are just saying that if they paid, it would be to play their class of choice whenever they please with no penalty. Otherwise they probably wouldn't pay (at least I hope not). I'm trying to hope for the best, but if things don't look appealing to me I'll def cancel my preorder and read what people say post-release before I put my money down. I won't pay $75 for a pc game unless I'm **** sure I'll like it a lot.

My bad for jumping the gun with the high horse talk. FWIW though I'm loving this game so far. It's absolutely beautiful and I'm hoping this stuff is just buggy/being overblown. I haven't been in the beta for long and with school/work/family making time is tough, but I'm hoping to see what it's like for myself. I have my doubts that SE would implement it in such a way that it would be such a hindrance to people in the retail version.
#68 Aug 22 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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I guess it reminds me of the facebook games where you get a set amount of turns a day. When you use those turns you go play Cataclysm LOL.
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