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#1 Aug 24 2010 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know there are probably a ton of threads like this already, but after reading all I could find I still feel like I need some help determining what I need to do in order to play this game since I already pre-ordered it.

First of all, I'm pretty sure my current PC will not run it, or at least not well. My specs look something like this:

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3.00 GHz)
Graphics: ATI Radeon 2900 XT (not sure how much memory the card has)
Memory: 3 GB
OS: Windows 7 32-bit

My FFXIV benchmark score is ~1800 on low settings, with all unnecessary processes stopped. I'm aware that scoring under 2000 means that I'll be lucky if I can get the game running on the minimum settings, so I'm assuming that I'll need to do something about it. Apparently being 3 years old means that my computer is too outdated to upgrade, and I'd be better off just getting a whole new system, I can't really afford to do so, but I'm going to try anyway.

Using the high end build from the stickied computer building guide thread and making a few modifications I've come up with the following as what I hope to get.

CPU:
Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930

Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Graphics Cards:
GIGABYTE GV-N470D5-13I-B GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (x2 in SLI)

Memory:
OCZ Reaper Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR1333C9LV8GK

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

Optical Drive:
LG WH10LS30K 10X Blu-ray Burner

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power Supply:
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

CPU Cooling:
ZALMAN 9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)

The total for all this is roughly $1800.

I know very little about overclocking and don't really feel comfortable doing it unless I can find an extremely detailed how-to guide, so I'm not certain that I actually need the additional CPU cooling since the CPU includes a heatsink and fan, but I threw that on there since there was something similar in the other thread I mentioned. It seems that technology has advanced quite a bit since the last time I built a PC, and I'm a bit out of the loop (such as having never worked with SLI before) but I should be able to manage putting this all together.

Basically, now that I have listed all this info, my questions are these:

Is there any hope for my current PC? Since it only has PCI-Express for graphics (not 2.0) and the CPU socket is an outdated format (AM2), I'm assuming that upgrading is out of the question.

Does the build I listed here for a new computer look good? I tried to make sure everything wouldn't have any issues, but I may have missed something so let me know if there may be any compatibility issues.

Assuming that this PC build is good, do you think I will be able to run FFXIV in HD on max or at least close to max graphics settings? Also, how would it fair with other games? I have been considering getting Starcraft 2, and there are some upcoming games I have been looking into such as Diablo 3.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give, and I apologize again for adding to the mass number of threads like this that are already here.

EDIT: Just realized that the memory I was looking at was sold out. I swapped it out for a different set, and updated this list accordingly.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 5:38pm by Sieryuu
#2 Aug 24 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Default
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Might have better luck in the tech forums. Your current PC will not play FFXIV though, at least not well.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 5:33pm by xthunderblazex

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 5:33pm by xthunderblazex
#3 Aug 24 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I scored 1,700 on benchmark.

I run the game fine. I put the game up to (almost) max settings and it still runs fine.

Don't worry about the benchmark it is a sad lie.
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#4 Aug 24 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
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Hrm...tech wise the only thing that might be hindering your performance may be your card as I'm not sure what the specs are.

Go to your "Run" function under "Start" and type dxdiag

See how much memory you have on your video card. I suspect it may be that. Again tech wise you should be ok to run the game at standard setting with your processor and RAM.
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#5 Aug 25 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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If price is an issue and your building the PC for gaming then stick with AMD. You can save $135 on the processor by getting a Phenom II 965 3.4GHz and $70 by getting an AM3 board with an nvidia chipset that will still run those 2 470's in SLI at 16x.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 2:23pm by psychoholick
#6 Aug 25 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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Don't buy a computer unless you want to. Can you probably play the game just fine with your current computer, yes, but are you going to be able to play everything on max, probably not, but is it worth playing everything on max for $1800?

I had a bad experience with the UD3R, it arrived DOA from newegg. Had to RMA and wait a week for my P6X58D premium.

If you want the PC for gaming go with ATI. I recommend the 5870, preferably XFX or Sapphire. NVidia is better for other applications like CAD.

You don't need any more memory than 6 GB. Look at Kingston, Corsair, or GSkill. OCZ has given people headaches.

I recommend the Samsung Spinpoint T3, as the community at Tom's Hardware agrees it is the fastest HDD.

Here is a guide to overclocking the i7. This guide and the BIOS on my motherboard made it so easy.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?board_id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe&id=20081220191040237&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

GL with what you decide to go with.
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#7 Aug 25 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think your spec is too bad, would Imagine playable.
As for proposed spec can you run dual channel on a 1366?
Although yeah 6 GB is enough.

Meh, too tired to go into other stuff. Oh, currently the version 2 of that mobo is a bit ****, make sure you get v1 unless they fixed the BIOS.
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#8 Aug 25 2010 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Get the Corsair 850 or 950 they are 10 and 20 bucks more will give you more headroom for adding stuff especially with SLI. Oh and like everyone is saying get a 3x2 GB Ram kit or 3x4GB ram kit so you can run triple channel DDR3.

850 watt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009

950 watt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013


Oh and you CPU cooler is for Socket 775 get one that is 1366

Like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055



Edited, Aug 25th 2010 8:57pm by XellossM
#9 Aug 25 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
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First, I seriously recommend you try the game before buying anything, my wife's computer with lower score than yours (a bit under 1500) is running the game just fine in default settings (not minimum).

The benchmark score is at this point highly overrated, if for any reason you don't want to wait to try the game first at least wait for the new benchmark that will be available soon, it will give a better idea of how your rig will perform.

Now regarding your choices:
Sieryuu wrote:

CPU:
Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
Kenage: This is excellent, [i]if you are planning to overclock otherwise just stick with a phentom II and save some bucks[/i]

Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Kenage: That isn't a bat board it's just that for 30 bucks more you can get this baby which will make your O.C. life a breeze.

Graphics Cards:
GIGABYTE GV-N470D5-13I-B GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (x2 in SLI)
Kenage: There isn't a dramatic difference in performance between 460 and 470, but there a substantial difference in price, I would recommend you get 460 over 470, and think about SLI with another 460 in the new future (6 months later or so) if you really want high performance.

Memory:
OCZ Reaper Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR1333C9LV8GK
Kenage: The mobo that I recommended used Triple channel, if you decide to switch remember to select a different RAM.


The rest is more a personal choice (I believe you can perfectly operate with a 650w PSU or even a 550w but never hurts to get some extra watts to be prepared for the future, and if you are not thinking to O.C. (which I would like to encourage you do, since it isn't THAT hard an the benefit is worth) the cooler for the cpu it's unnecessary, it will work just fine with the stock heat-sink and fan, everything else looks good.

Now with your questions...

Sieryuu wrote:

Is there any hope for my current PC? Since it only has PCI-Express for graphics (not 2.0) and the CPU socket is an outdated format (AM2), I'm assuming that upgrading is out of the question.
Kenage: Yes, there is hope for your PC, I bet you can run the game just fine in default settings, again, I will urge you to try it first before buying anything.

Does the build I listed here for a new computer look good? I tried to make sure everything wouldn't have any issues, but I may have missed something so let me know if there may be any compatibility issues.
Kenage: I believe I already responded this =)

Assuming that this PC build is good, do you think I will be able to run FFXIV in HD on max or at least close to max graphics settings? Also, how would it fair with other games? I have been considering getting Starcraft 2, and there are some upcoming games I have been looking into such as Diablo 3.
Kenage:
First no, you won't be able to run on max settings (full max settings), actually unless you are ready to spend crazy bucks between your cpu, mobo and v.card(s) it won't reach max settings, but you will be able to run it very well on moderate-high to high settings, in regards to other games, starcraft 2 isn't really that demanding I bet you can max it easily with that build, in general that rig will perform well with most last generation games (crisis 2, AvP, etc)



Let me know if you need further clarification.

Hope that helps.

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#10 Aug 25 2010 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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CPU:
Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930

This will do fine, but the price of 930 may drop at the beginning of Sept with 950's price down to current 930 lvl ($300)

Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

I almost bought this board but swapped it to ASUS P6T Deluxe v2.

Graphics Cards:
GIGABYTE GV-N470D5-13I-B GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (x2 in SLI)

I hope you have good airflow because GTX470 runs HOT. I have one and I'm not sure I want another one in the case :)

Memory:
OCZ Reaper Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR1333C9LV8GK

$190 for ram??? Save yourself a bundle and go with 4 or 6GB or ram. I have this.

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

No comment

Optical Drive:
LG WH10LS30K 10X Blu-ray Burner

Salvage old DVD drive and save a few bucks.

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

It will work...can you find a cheaper case?

Power Supply:
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

Asking a 750W PSU to power 2 GTX470 is pretty tough. Probably want to get a 1000W PSU.

CPU Cooling:
ZALMAN 9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

Cooler Master FTW.

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)

I guess you need a OS.

For what its worth. My rig is i7-930 6gb ram and one GTX470. At stock speed, I got a score of 5100ish on 720p. After OC the score was 6100ish on 720p and 3800 on 1080p.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 10:54pm by OneFatAngel
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#11 Aug 25 2010 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I think your setup is much better than mine (over a year old now) and I ran the beta at 1920x1080 with high settings just fine. Try updating your GPU drivers or waiting until open beta and see how the game runs before making any additional changes.
#12 Aug 25 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've now verified that the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT video card I have has 512MB on it, but that is irrelevant at this point. Something I failed to mention in my original post is the fact that my current PC has been having technical difficulties for the past couple months, and after numerous tests failed to find the issue and I consulted with a tech help forum, it's been determined that I need to replace my graphics card and my power supply and cross my fingers that the problem is fixed by that. Rather than spending upwards of $400 on parts for a 3 year old PC so that I may or may not be able to fix it's problem, I think I'd rather go with the option of just buying a completely new PC.

After taking the comments I've received here into consideration, I've basically come up with an entirely new build which is AMD/ATI based. As I'm terribly impatient and have been trying to get a working gaming PC up and running for the past couple months, I've already ordered these parts so that I can hopefully have the system built by next week, but as Newegg has a pretty good return policy, it's not too late for me to change my mind if someone can point out a grievous error I've made with these components. Without further ado, here is the build:

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

Motherboard:
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Graphics Cards:
XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (x2)

Memory:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL (This is actually what I chose for the previous system originally, luckily it came back in stock since yesterday. The motherboard I listed only supports dual channel so... that why I went with this.)

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Optical Drive:
LG WH10LS30K 10X Blu-ray Burner - LightScribe Support - Bulk - OEM

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power Supply:
Antec TruePower Quattro TPQ-1000 1000W Continuous Power ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

Additional Cooling:
Antec 761345-75024-0 120mm Blue LED Case Fan (This probably isn't necessary, but I like to have fans in every single place that the case has spots for them.)

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

This build is still around $1800, and may actually be a bit better than the the build in my original post. I've always been partial to AMD & ATI anyway (for no particular reason) so this will probably work out better for me.
#13 Aug 25 2010 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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You WILL get a better benchmark score with the i7 930 since you will likely be hyperthreading. Whether you can actually see that performance difference in game, idk.

If you do go AMD, the 955 Black Edition is probably cheaper than the 965 and from what I hear will easily overclock to 4+ GHz, putting it on par with an overclocked 965.

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 11:21pm by Oenos
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#14 Aug 26 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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SOUNDS LIKE ALL YOU NEED IS A NEW GRAPHICS CARD
ATi 5870 2GB edition or 5770 are tops for benchmarking

buy also a new CPU fan and Overclock...this might help you out a bit.

(hope you read this)

Edited, Aug 26th 2010 9:53am by trutrutru
#15 Aug 26 2010 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I recently built a fairly similar PC to your initial setup. If you were to go SLI with this setup, grab an 850w PSU.

I7-930,
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R,
Gigabyte GTX 460 (1gb) x1 card,
3x2GB sticks of Corsair ram @ 1600mhz,
WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1tb SATA3 HDD,
Corsair 650w PSU,
CM Gladiator 600 case,
CM case fans to fill the case,
and the other computer necessities.

Everything at factory clock scores around a 2800 on the 1080p benchmark.



The card also runs cool. It sits at 30c idle, and under full load, 66c. It's like they were made with the goal to be run in SLI and overclocked in mind.

Since I'm a computer science student, I ended up getting win7 for free. Other than that, the build cost ~$1100 before rebates. The Micro Center in my area matches any retailer/etailer that doesn't require a membership fee (Sams, Costco, etc). If you have one in your area, look them up. They also don't typically price gouge for some of the more trendy equipment (I'm looking at you, Newegg) like the CM hyper 212+. It's still the sitting at $30 like the MSRP says.

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