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#1 Aug 24 2010 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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So they implemented the latency system to cater to casual gamers as "sort of a reward" for not being able to play as much. In reality, it is a punishment to "hardcore" gamers as it doesn't affect casuals at all. This isn't bad per se, and it encourages players to level other jobs, but there are a few other things that caught my attention.

The cooldown on guildleves. Again, not completely a bad thing. Gives casual gamers a way to advance and gain significant rewards for the little time they get to play. I can also see it as a way to encourage party play in the future if they allow the leve holder to share the reward with party members.

Both of these seem like deterrents to those able to play for long bouts rather than rewards for casual players which, imo, is the wrong way to go about it. This brings me to my next point:

The high PC requirements. The game is very demanding on your system. I don't know how many "casual" gamers are willing to shell-out large amounts of money just so they can play a game for an hour a day. Hardcore gamers and fans on the other hand, will be more inclined to invest in a system that can get the most out of the game. This is really the only way Hardcore gamers will see a REAL reward, where the casual gamers might not even be able to run the game at all.

They say they want to strike a balance between casual and hardcore gamers so people are not left behind, but I don't really think they are going about it the right way. If they had lowered the system requirements then they could have opened up to a whole lot more people, including those that can play FFXI fine, but would need to upgrade to play FFXIV. There's a whole market there that they are missing out on. And punishing hardcore players for playing too much? Wouldn't it make more sense to just reward casual gamers in someway instead?

Thoughts? Opinions?



Also, any word on what kind of item will be associated with the FFXIII code? I haven't seen any discussion on it at all. Did they forget about it?
#2 Aug 24 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm coming with an unpopular opinion on this regard, but I think it could be interesting for all of us to talk about it.

I consider SE restriction a responsible move of their part, I consider it similar to the dependent in convenience stores asking your for an identification before selling cigarettes or alcohol.

Other than the people with some sort of health condition (either permanent or temporal) which conceal them to stay inside the house, I don't think is terrible great for an individual to spend 10-12 hours 6-7 days a week on a game, in my personal experience from all the people around me which played ffxi, I can say that at least 50% of them were spending that much time on the game, either drop the school temporally, stop going to the work, or risking their work by playing secretly during work hours, taking a "sabbath" year after college, etc.

You may have a different point of view, after all this is just my opinion, but I think is not terrible controversial to say that excessive gaming could be a unhealthy and that MMORPG's are prime scenarios for excessive gaming, due several reasons that I trust most of us know: cooperative play, sense of community recognition on your accomplishments, competitively, etc.

I suppose most of you already know that, and a single restriction in this game isn't going to change it much, nevertheless there are still plenty of ways to stay online, there are other games, etc. but I think SE is assuming a position with this kind of measure and that it's important, and for once I agree with it.

Although I think the current 48 hour cold down it's a bit drastic, however I'll wait for the retail version and see what they come up with.

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#3 Aug 24 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I agree that SE did seem to set the bar pretty high in regards to the system requirments and that the casual gamer will more then likely not be able to afford a huge upgrade or new system but I kind of understand why they did it. They didn't want a game that just any old system could run. It seems they wanted to make a game that's gonna be top of the line for the next few years, not that past few years. And like everyone knows, most computers are 'out dated' after only a few years. So after the games been out say 2-3 years, most of the computers by then will come standard parts that will run 14 easily.

And in the way of balance in the game for casual gamers and hardcore gamers, as of know it seems to me that it's more towards casual but I feel that's only because we're only seeing the start of it. I think down the road the game will aim more at the hardcore gamers.
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#4 Aug 24 2010 at 9:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can understand your standpoint about excessive gaming being unhealthy, but I also believe that we should be given the choice to do what we please. (Not that we're being forbidden from playing FFXIV, but just for the sake of argument.) That being said, what SE is doing isn't going to keep people with that large of a problem off the game or off the internet. It's not going to get them to go outside. That has to come from personal responsibility. That's where it SHOULD come from. Being forced to do something isn't habit-changing; you just look elsewhere for your fix.

Personally, I played A LOT. But I still attended college full-time and had friends and whatnot. It's just that, for the most part, I tend to just like relaxing indoors, with maybe one or two others. That's not ALL I do, but it's a pretty typical evening. My boyfriend is the same way, and we have a great time. I'm not anti-social or a fat couch-blob. It's just a very engaging and very CHEAP way of spending an evening. I spent maybe $14-$15/month to play FFXI, and I could play two hours per day (or more), every single day if I chose for that amount. Going out to a movie for two hours on ONE day would cost just as much if not more. It's a very convenient form of entertainment, and as long as people have personal responsibility for themselves I say more power to them. Of course the key word is responsibility. ;)
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Kaelia88 wrote:
I can understand your standpoint about excessive gaming being unhealthy, but I also believe that we should be given the choice to do what we please. (Not that we're being forbidden from playing FFXIV, but just for the sake of argument.) That being said, what SE is doing isn't going to keep people with that large of a problem off the game or off the internet. It's not going to get them to go outside. That has to come from personal responsibility. That's where it SHOULD come from. Being forced to do something isn't habit-changing; you just look elsewhere for your fix.

Personally, I played A LOT. But I still attended college full-time and had friends and whatnot. It's just that, for the most part, I tend to just like relaxing indoors, with maybe one or two others. That's not ALL I do, but it's a pretty typical evening. My boyfriend is the same way, and we have a great time. I'm not anti-social or a fat couch-blob. It's just a very engaging and very CHEAP way of spending an evening. I spent maybe $14-$15/month to play FFXI, and I could play two hours per day (or more), every single day if I chose for that amount. Going out to a movie for two hours on ONE day would cost just as much if not more. It's a very convenient form of entertainment, and as long as people have personal responsibility for themselves I say more power to them. Of course the key word is responsibility. ;)


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#6 Aug 24 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
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The high PC requirements. The game is very demanding on your system. I don't know how many "casual" gamers are willing to shell-out large amounts of money just so they can play a game for an hour a day. Hardcore gamers and fans on the other hand, will be more inclined to invest in a system that can get the most out of the game. This is really the only way Hardcore gamers will see a REAL reward, where the casual gamers might not even be able to run the game at all.


I dunno - I have a wonderful lover and an oftentimes demanding job. I often won't have a ton of time to play, but I bought a whole new rig to play this - not top of the line but I did shell out some serious cash for it and it is definately a gaming machine. It runs the beta well.

I don't think whether you have forever to spend on a game or not really influences how much hardware you can afford/are willing to shell out - especially when it comes to PCs (which have a lot of uses, regardless).

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#7 Aug 24 2010 at 9:50 PM Rating: Default
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Maybe they are just being proactive and trying to avoid a lawsuit like the one NCSoft is having.

www.kotaku.com.au/2010/08/addicted-gamer-sues-lineage-wants-20000-hours-of-his-life-back/

A judge is letting this go through.
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#8 Aug 24 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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If I remember correctly, the FFXIII item code gets you the Asuran Armbands. Which I would link, but SE nuked Zam's item database.
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#9 Aug 24 2010 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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kenage wrote:
I consider SE restriction a responsible move of their part, I consider it similar to the dependent in convenience stores asking your for an identification before selling cigarettes or alcohol.


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I think that people can't be trusted to manage their time so game developers need to put a leash on the players for their own good


Is that about right?
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#10 Aug 25 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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TacoTaru wrote:
Maybe they are just being proactive and trying to avoid a lawsuit like the one NCSoft is having.

www.kotaku.com.au/2010/08/addicted-gamer-sues-lineage-wants-20000-hours-of-his-life-back/

A judge is letting this go through.


That story's been brought up in this forum before, and I'd like to point out that it's not quite that simple.

As I pointed out last time it was mentioned, they guy is basically trying to get some payback on NCSoft after they banned his three Lineage II accounts for RMT.
#11 Aug 25 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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in my personal experience from all the people around me which played ffxi, I can say that at least 50% of them were spending that much time on the game, either drop the school temporally, stop going to the work, or risking their work by playing secretly during work hours, taking a "sabbath" year after college, etc.


I can safely say, then, that at least 50% of those around you that played FFXI are dumbasses. These types of losers exist in all colors, shapes, and sizes. The rest of the world, however, can actually take care of themselves and those around them, and don't need SE to belittle their responsibility with such limitations. I work a full-time job, have friends and family to spend time with, and other hobbies that take up my time. In short, I lead a rather professional, social, and academic life. So when I want to throw an entire weekend to FFXIV, I don't want SE telling me that I'm being punished for being "addicted".

Fatal car accidents happen primarily at night. So do most drunk driving accidents, for that matter. Should there be a law against people driving after 6PM? It would certainly cut back on motor vehicle accidents. Maybe Toyota should be a more responsible company, and not let cars go faster than 25 mph after 6PM, then decrease your maximum speed as the night progresses?
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