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#52 Aug 25 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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SkepticalChymist wrote:
Wait, isn't this called a "surplus" system. Dose that not mean that when they say 100% they mean a 100% bonus that goes down to 0% bonus after that time period? Is it confirmed that you will actually get 0 EXP for killing something at some point? Or will it be more like it goes from 200 exp to 100 exp over that time.


It is confirmed that you get 0 exp... yes... 0 EXP for killing something.
that's how it is in Beta.
Once you've reached your limit... NO MORE EXP!
#53 Aug 25 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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SkepticalChymist wrote:
Wait, isn't this called a "surplus" system. Dose that not mean that when they say 100% they mean a 100% bonus that goes down to 0% bonus after that time period? Is it confirmed that you will actually get 0 EXP for killing something at some point? Or will it be more like it goes from 200 exp to 100 exp over that time.


How many times are you going to ask over and over how it works? I'm sick of explaining it now, lol, read the main threads discussing it...
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#54 Aug 25 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Default
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I'd just like to note that I leveled around 10 classes and never had a problem with surplus.

At all.

I think I already mentioned that though.
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#55 Aug 25 2010 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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SkepticalChymist wrote:
Wait, isn't this called a "surplus" system. Dose that not mean that when they say 100% they mean a 100% bonus that goes down to 0% bonus after that time period? Is it confirmed that you will actually get 0 EXP for killing something at some point? Or will it be more like it goes from 200 exp to 100 exp over that time.


I can only assume, albeit foolishly, that you will at some point READ THE INTERVIEW this is all based on, which states quite explicitly how this works. And maybe also read the accounts of those people who have personally encountered the system and know first hand how it works.

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#56 Aug 25 2010 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Except that Nintendo has and still continues to have double to triple the sale rate of all of their systems compared to their competition.


http://investing.einnews.com/pr-news/100658-nintendo-sees-red-289-million-loss-in-q1

And they're selling double to triple their competitors??? Wow. . . and they say PC gaming is dead O.O
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#57 Aug 25 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'd just like to note that I leveled around 10 classes and never had a problem with surplus.

At all.

I think I already mentioned that though.


there are people who don't want to level 10 classes.
it's great that it works out for you, but try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who plays a lot and only wants to specialize in 1 or 2 classes
#58 Aug 25 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I find myself disagreeing with you on this topic often.

Here I go again:

- Casual players dominate the Wii
- Casual players dominate cell phone games
- Casual players dominate online web games, social gaming, i.e. Mafia Wars
- Casual players do NOT dominate console games
- Casual gamers CERTAINLY do not dominate PC gaming, one in which essentially requires A NEW CPU/MOBO/GPU to play the game.

/end nerd rage....again! :p


Is the Wii not a console? Also, Square-Enix has been trying to appeal to casual gamers for pretty much EVERYTHING they do, not just XIV. Look at all their iPhone games, they even said in their reports that their casual games make far more money.

I do agree that XIV is not exactly casual-friendly since you require such a good computer to play it decently; however, that will change in time. If XIV is only hardcore oriented like XI was, it's gonna cause some serious problems (not that I don't like XI, I love XI).


Okay, score one point for you, you got me, Wii is a console :)

With that said, I don't consider it in the same class as an xbox or ps3, it's more family oriented and doesn't serve the games that most of this audience here would play.

I'm not asking for FFXI hardcore (though I loved it!), I'm just saying it's a ridiculous constraint imposed on players, that costs money to develop & continuously test for balance, which serves no point.
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#59 Aug 25 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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More serious, do you know how many Wii [is Wii the plural of Wii???] are gathering dust in people's houses because the novelty of such a gimicky system has worn off?


Except that Nintendo has and still continues to have double to triple the sale rate of all of their systems compared to their competition.

So dust or not they do seem to be doing pretty good and there's a big reason for that.

I like how this is turning into the Nintendo thread.


Selling consoles isn't necessarily where the money is at. The money is in the games sold, accessories, and MS creams the crop with their attach rates.

MANY people by 3/4X the games for a PS3/XBOX as they do for Wii, so that doesn't necessarily hold merit IMO.
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#60 Aug 25 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Default
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http://investing.einnews.com/pr-news/100658-nintendo-sees-red-289-million-loss-in-q1

And they're selling double to triple their competitors??? Wow. . . and they say PC gaming is dead O.O


A market slump. Seasonal. My point still stands though, they are still completely ahead of the competition.
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Nintendo ****** all over the faces of their original fanbase with the Wii, and are making massive profits because of it.


wait, what? Nintendo made a profit? And WTF is a wii?? Is that like a new version of the SNES?

More serious, do you know how many Wii [is Wii the plural of Wii???] are gathering dust in people's houses because the novelty of such a gimicky system has worn off?

I don't either, I was hoping you did. If it ever comes up in conversation, though, usually the answer is "I have one of those in a box in the basement"
Mine is collecting dust, but so is my 360. They already got my money though. And they're getting way more peoples money than 360s or ps3s are pulling in, especially considering that they're more powerful (and expensive) systems selling at competitive prices. So, yes, Nintendo is making out extremely well with the Wii exactly because the kinds of gamers that wind up on a forum for a game only in beta testing phase are the only kind of people the Wii don't grab a hold of.
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#62 Aug 25 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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For me raiding and endgame the fun part of playing.. I don't like the grind but it what I gatta do to enjoy the game in the end
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#63 Aug 25 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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You get free cheese and oranges peel themselves.

Sorry...
I suddenly read the subject again and thought, wouldn't it be cool if this happened at level cap?

Everytime someone hits level cap, a kitten somewhere in the world dies?
Maybe the swords are shinier...

Y'know... I actually MISS the time when PC hardware threads made up the majority of the front page now...
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#64 Aug 25 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Default
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It's not that the level cap is so fascinating, but if I'm having fun and enjoying myself, why should they get to tell me I've had enough fun now and I have to stop having fun and do something else. I'm not sure why you'd tolerate someone doing that to you when YOU are paying THEM for the service.

There's no reason in the world why I should have to stop doing something I enjoy (when I can manage my own time responsibly thank you very much) whether I have 8 hours to do it or 80.



I don't think you understand how this works at all. You get a BONUS to your Experience points for the first 8 hours. After that.. that BONUS dwindles until you hit the NORMAL XP amount. You can grind until your eyes bleed if you want. Nothing is being taken away from you.
#65 Aug 25 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait, isn't this called a "surplus" system. Dose that not mean that when they say 100% they mean a 100% bonus that goes down to 0% bonus after that time period? Is it confirmed that you will actually get 0 EXP for killing something at some point? Or will it be more like it goes from 200 exp to 100 exp over that time



Yea that how I'm taking it , SE giving us a bonus every week
So it be Easyer to solo after That bonus is over i guess we group like in ffxi

Edited, Aug 25th 2010 8:53pm by Ggrab
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#66 Aug 25 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea that how I'm taking it , SE giving us a bonus every week
So it be Easyer to solo after That bonus is over i guess we group like in ffxi

Its not a bonus, the 100% stands for normal and the 0% is NO EXP, I'm not sure why we have to say that so many times.
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#67 Aug 25 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
It's not that the level cap is so fascinating, but if I'm having fun and enjoying myself, why should they get to tell me I've had enough fun now and I have to stop having fun and do something else. I'm not sure why you'd tolerate someone doing that to you when YOU are paying THEM for the service.

There's no reason in the world why I should have to stop doing something I enjoy (when I can manage my own time responsibly thank you very much) whether I have 8 hours to do it or 80.



I don't think you understand how this works at all. You get a BONUS to your Experience points for the first 8 hours. After that.. that BONUS dwindles until you hit the NORMAL XP amount. You can grind until your eyes bleed if you want. Nothing is being taken away from you.


Actually if you'd care to read the accounts of players who've experienced the system and read the interview where it was explained by FF14's director, you'd understand that I'm 100% correct when I state that your experience gain drops to 0% total. There's no bonus involved in anything that's going on here, unless your idea of non-bonused experience is 0

Please actually read the things people are discussing before planting your foot in your mouth.
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