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#1 Aug 27 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's just that I wasn't on for long enough (could only actually login for about 2 hours) but I had a lot of trouble adjusting to the camera angles and constantly shifting my point of view to navigate the landscape. Did anyone else have this issue? It felt a little more clunky than FFXI. Did you come up with a way to make it a little more simple to use? Is there just an auto-adjust option that I missed somewhere? Maybe there's a more reasonable control setting that I missed?
#2 Aug 27 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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What were you using? I used I think IJKL and I had to move in the opposite direction to get it to shift how I wanted, which I found annoying. Is there another way?
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#3 Aug 27 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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What were you using? I used I think IJKL and I had to move in the opposite direction to get it to shift how I wanted, which I found annoying. Is there another way?


That's what I was using as well.

I really hope they let you remap those to the arrow keys in open beta.
#4 Aug 27 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's just that I wasn't on for long enough (could only actually login for about 2 hours) but I had a lot of trouble adjusting to the camera angles and constantly shifting my point of view to navigate the landscape. Did anyone else have this issue? It felt a little more clunky than FFXI. Did you come up with a way to make it a little more simple to use? Is there just an auto-adjust option that I missed somewhere? Maybe there's a more reasonable control setting that I missed?


I'd say that it could certainly use an auto-center feature. I didn't have too much trouble with it; if I'm manually running forwards, then I pan the camera with J/L to move my character in that direction. If I'm autorunning, then I use A/D, and the camera auto-centers. It's not perfect, but it gets the job done.
#5 Aug 27 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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I was using IJKL too and the inverse thing can definitely be confusing for someone as bad as me at controls in general. I used the mouse for movement in XI but am struggling with the XIV layout :\ Maybe it's just me. I constantly need to zoom out as well; I hate running with the camera right over my head (I like to see a decent amount of landscape).

I was really hoping for something that felt really smooth and easy this time around - just hoping that there are subtle improvements that would help someone inept at this sort of thing like me in the future before release.

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 1:12pm by Callipho
#6 Aug 27 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say that it could certainly use an auto-center feature.


Actually there already is one. Just can't think of the key offhand.


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I really hope they let you remap those to the arrow keys in open beta.


In the "Planned Changes" or whatever it's called section of the Known Issues thread, they say they are planning on reverting back to the arrow keys.


If it makes it less of a pain for you (it was for me), you can change the movement axis for the camera. ie. hitting left pans either left or right, etc etc.
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#7 Aug 27 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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Until there is word on key mapping (which i am all for), you may want to actually give a gamepad a try for beta. I say this because you can at least map controls to the gamepad in the config. So it makes it easy to invert camera angles and such.
I know there is a mixed consensus when it comes to KB/ controller gaming, just saying that if you want the option, controller is the only way right now.
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I liked either using the right control stick on my USB controller or holding down right-click and dragging.

I don't think I'll ever get used to IJKL.

EDIT: I'm a sage? Wuuuut.

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 12:17pm by ShinoHaven
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#9 Aug 27 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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Actually there already is one. Just can't think of the key offhand.


Is there a setting you can change or do you have to constantly hit that button to recenter?



Hmmm... sounds like a controller might be the way to go. Did battle feel slow or limited by the controller when you needed to set off several commands in a short period of time?

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 1:18pm by Callipho
#10 Aug 27 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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I'd say that it could certainly use an auto-center feature.


Actually there already is one. Just can't think of the key offhand.


I think you're talking about the key that just recenters the camera. I should have been more clear: I mean a feature that makes it so that the camera is always directly behind your character, no matter what you do (i.e. when you pan the camera with your mouse, your character rotates along with it, and when you move your character in any fashion, the camera rotates in kind).

I don't believe they have a feature like that, right?


#11 Aug 27 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually there already is one. Just can't think of the key offhand.


Is there a setting you can change or do you have to constantly hit that button to recenter?



You can't (as of yet) remap the key. Or any keys for that matter, which sucks pretty bad. But in order to insta-center your camera, you need to hit the center-camera key.
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#12 Aug 27 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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I'd say that it could certainly use an auto-center feature.

Actually there already is one. Just can't think of the key offhand.

I think you're talking about the key that just recenters the camera. I should have been more clear: I mean a feature that makes it so that the camera is always directly behind your character, no matter what you do (i.e. when you pan the camera with your mouse, your character rotates along with it, and when you move your character in any fashion, the camera rotates in kind).

I don't believe they have a feature like that, right?


I believe the End key is the one that re-centers the camera. And no, I don't think there is a way to lock the camera behind the character.
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#13 Aug 27 2010 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
well I had a lot of trouble because I couldn't even figure out where the cameras were most of the time.
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#14 Aug 27 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Callipho wrote:
Did you come up with a way to make it a little more simple to use?


I bought a $40 usb Xbox 360 controller from Walmart. Left thumbstick, move, right thumbstick, camera.
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#15 Aug 27 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
I am seriously considering getting a gamepad at this point.
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#16 Aug 27 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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I bought a $40 usb Xbox 360 controller from Walmart. Left thumbstick, move, right thumbstick, camera.


The game is practically made for controller. I used my 360 controller also and it was flawless.
#17 Aug 27 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Callipho wrote:
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Actually there already is one. Just can't think of the key offhand.


Is there a setting you can change or do you have to constantly hit that button to recenter?



Hmmm... sounds like a controller might be the way to go. Did battle feel slow or limited by the controller when you needed to set off several commands in a short period of time?

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 1:18pm by Callipho


I fall into the "Controller" camp, although I intend to give the KB more use this time around, for experience sake. I didn't think using the controller was "too" limited. There are things you can not do with a controller vs a KB, or atleast, not as well. But far as general exploring, battle, and interactions go, it worked just fine for me. As far as battles go, (depending on set up) you'd just tab to w/e action ability you had mapped on your action bar. Seeing how you can't really spam buttons during combat due to stamina, I don't see the KB being much greater in this regard.

I didn't go as far as to make any macros, but they seem to operate same as FFXI control-wise. I'm at a loss without inverted camera layouts, so I had to play with a controller during Phase 3. Let's hope for improved settings during OB.
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#18 Aug 27 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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I likes using the IJKL keys as the camera. You could change the X and Y axis to suit your style. It kept my hands near the home row for typing. The only thing I didn't like was that it needs to zoom out a lot further.

I'm still on the fence about maybe trying a Logitech G13.
#19 Aug 27 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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I was a huge fan of using the numpad with arrow keys controlling the camera in XI, i really hope to be able to control that way as well.

The problem i had was when i was turning with wasd the camera would stay in a static position, so i found myself turning with the mouse. I dont know why it was doing that.
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#20 Aug 27 2010 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko wrote:
What were you using? I used I think IJKL and I had to move in the opposite direction to get it to shift how I wanted, which I found annoying. Is there another way?
There's an option to reverse the camera movement in the config menu.
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