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#1 Aug 29 2010 at 12:02 PM Rating: Default
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Guys like this are the reason why we have surplus in FFXIV

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#2 Aug 29 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
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Well game addiction is a very real illness which is dangerous. However,I still think surplus was added so that people continue to pay more over time in order to reach max level. Not because of game addiction.
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#3 Aug 29 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Smallwood says he's spent more than 20,000 hours playing the multiplayer online role-playing game since 2004. The 51-year-old says NCSoft Corp. never warned him about the danger of game addiction.

but s-n has big warning on thier games so should be safe from that bs.
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Guys Moron Judges like this are the reason why we have surplus in FFXIV

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#5 Aug 29 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if NCsoft tried offering him a job, maybe with some backpay, just to try and avoid this entire situation.
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#6 Aug 29 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds to me like the guy suddenly got tired of the game and is finding a way to get a nice chunk of money after realizing what he's missed out over the years.
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#7 Aug 29 2010 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does this man live alone? Is there anyone there to tell him to turn the game off? If I were single and unemployed, that would probably be me.
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I wonder if NCsoft tried offering him a job, maybe with some backpay, just to try and avoid this entire situation lure him to Korea to be summarily executed.


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Oh wait, this is South Korea, not the evil North. Smiley: lol

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Sounds to me like the guy suddenly got tired of the game and is finding a way to get a nice chunk of money after realizing what he's missed out over the years.


^ This. If you get addicted to an MMO so bad you play 20,000 hours in 6 years you must not have ANY rl friends or family to intervene and get you to go places. I hate going out and prefer to sit at home playing game, do I play over-excessively like that? **** no, I may hate going out but every so often you just..have to get out of the house. Movies, billiards, work, school, niece destroying my apartment, ect. Everytime I start to see some hope in humanity again a story like this pops up.

So yeah, like said above, he's probably just looking for a quick buck after getting bored with the game now. If he's so addicted to it, why is he taking the time to sue when he could be on the game?!
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#10 Aug 29 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Craig Smallwood says "Lineage II" left him unable to function independently in daily activities, such as getting dressed, bathing or communicating with family and friends.


I'm addicted to sleeping. Sometimes I sleep so much I'm unable to play video games all night. I sleep almost 3,000 hours a year. Maybe I should sue Tempur-Pedic for making such comfortable mattresses.

It's called self-control buddy.
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I'm addicted to sleeping. Sometimes I sleep so much I'm unable to play video games all night. I sleep almost 3,000 hours a year. Maybe I should sue Tempur-Pedic for making such comfortable mattresses.

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#12 Aug 29 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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As I've pointed out the last two times this story was brought up here, it's not just a simple case of "Man sues dev because he got addicted."

Back in 2009, NCSoft banned this guy's 3 Lineage II accounts, claiming he was engaged in RMT. He then filed suit for $12 million in damages, claiming that NCSoft banned him unfairly and slandered him by accusing him of RMT.

It was only after that suit was dismissed that he amended it, reducing the damages to $3 million and claiming additionally that NCSoft was peddling an addictive product with no warnings and that they were actively banning accounts to "encourage" people to switch over to Aion instead.



The media is spinning it as "guy sues over MMO addiction" because the claims of negligence (selling an addictive product) and defamation (calling him RMT) are the only parts of his current lawsuit which haven't been dismissed, when really the suit is about him believing NCSoft shouldn't have been able to ban him.
#13Ggrab, Posted: Aug 29 2010 at 1:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this is why i hate NCsoft lol i hope the guy wins the suit
#14 Aug 29 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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The media is spinning it as "guy sues over MMO addiction" because the claims of negligence (selling an addictive product) and defamation (calling him RMT) are the only parts of his current lawsuit which haven't been dismissed, when really the suit is about him believing NCSoft shouldn't have been able to ban him.


Honestly, this doesn't make me think this guy's any less of an f'ing moron.
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I should've known NCSoft was to blame. :X
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#16 Aug 29 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Craig Smallwood says "Lineage II" left him unable to function independently in daily activities, such as getting dressed, bathing or communicating with family and friends.


I'm addicted to sleeping. Sometimes I sleep so much I'm unable to play video games all night. I sleep almost 3,000 hours a year. Maybe I should sue Tempur-Pedic for making such comfortable mattresses.

It's called self-control buddy.


Some people lack the ability to control their impulses. I'm not sure that's really NCsoft's fault, but the design of their games certainly does nothing to discourage this type of behavior. I guess you could argue that if it wasn't an MMO, it would be alcohol or **** or gambling or big macs or any thing else that people indulge to harmful excess.

There's really no safety net for some one who has no self control. It's not recognized as a disability until you've already destroyed your life, and corporations will happily design their products in a way that's intended to create feelings of longing or dependence (this is pretty much the goal of all marketing). I don't know what you do when you simply can't control your self destructive impulses.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 3:23pm by KarlHungis
#17geotrick, Posted: Aug 29 2010 at 1:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) well actually.. Ncsoft failed HUDGELy with AION when it came to banning or basically scamming? people's accounts.
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When he's done maybe he can sue McDonald's for making him fat. Come on people, take some responsibility for yourselves. This world is full of sniveling simpletons that can't control themselves, it makes me a sad panda. :(

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a man who says he's psychologically dependent and addicted to an online video game can proceed with some of his lawsuit against the game's South Korean manufacturer.

Craig Smallwood says "Lineage II" left him unable to function independently in daily activities, such as getting dressed, bathing or communicating with family and friends.


Are you kidding me? It's not heroin, it's a video game. This is really pathetic.

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#19 Aug 29 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, but what you need to realize is that an addiction is an addiction, no matter what it's too - there's a chemical response inside your body that goes off, giving you that "high". When you're not doing that activity, you're "down" and go into withdrawl etc. It's a disorder, video game or sport or *** or whatever. It needs to be treated and documented so people can get help. Dismissing that just because there are many gamers (and people, for that matter) who CAN control their impulses isn't fair. Some people CAN'T control their behaviours and they need help, not our disdain. Is it a little sad? Sure. But calling them pathetic is a judgment they don't deserve.

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Meh this guy prob has a good case against ncsoft. If he spent alot of time and effort into the game, i bet he spent real money as well. I'm sure he doesn't want to just lose years of "hard" work just because ncsoft banned his account.

Their should be reprocussions for Ncsoft :)


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Are you kidding me? It's not heroin, it's a video game. This is really pathetic.


really any addiction is pathetic.. drugs, ***, video games... so the quote of it being a video game and not heroin really holds no meaning.. an addiction doesnt have to be "illegal" to be serious lol..

your living in the generation that blames something on everything else.. an addiction is an excuse and nothing more other than a mental disability... whether its drugs or video games.. you do then because you have low will or low care of anything else

just for refernce.. im not calling the people themselves pathetic.. just the use of the word addiction

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^^ An interesting viewpoint. Regarding purely mental addictions, have you ever dealt with someone who has a gambling addiction? From your comments, I'm guessing no.

Do I think this guy's a crockpot who's just looking for money? Yeah.
Do I think gaming addiction *can* happen? Yes. Any escapism subjected to extremely long terms of time can become a mental crutch, if not outright necessity.
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#22 Aug 29 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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Sure have.. my grandma had a forclosure on her house due to gambling addiction.. and my mom suffers from it as of today... so you assumption was not a very good one..

Once reality hits someone in the face they can choose to ignore it like my mom does.. or take resposibility and stop doing it.. like my grandma did... both same problem.. both separate outcomes..
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What ever happened to personal responsibility? I'm glad this entitlement and "blame it on that guy" crap wasn't around when I was growing up. Makes me sick.
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#24 Aug 29 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Sure have.. my grandma had a forclosure on her house due to gambling addiction.. and my mom suffers from it as of today... so you assumption was not a very good one..

Once reality hits someone in the face they can choose to ignore it like my mom does.. or take resposibility and stop doing it.. like my grandma did... both same problem.. both separate outcomes..


You can convince yourself that the other things in life are less desirable and don't matter. It's hard to deal with that kind of mindset. "Go get a job, make new friends, find a companion, live a little!" "I don't have to work, people suck, I rather be alone, this makes me happy & all that other stuff is meaningless anyway" If you go further into the psychology of it, they're not that wrong when they say a lot of the other things in life are just as meaningless. So why not do what they think makes them the happiest? Hard to argue with it...
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#25 Aug 29 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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When he's done maybe he can sue McDonald's for making him fat. Come on people, take some responsibility for yourselves. This world is full of sniveling simpletons that can't control themselves, it makes me a sad panda. :(

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a man who says he's psychologically dependent and addicted to an online video game can proceed with some of his lawsuit against the game's South Korean manufacturer.

Craig Smallwood says "Lineage II" left him unable to function independently in daily activities, such as getting dressed, bathing or communicating with family and friends.


Are you kidding me? It's not heroin, it's a video game. This is really pathetic.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 12:49pm by GuardianFaith


That's why it's psychological addiction and not physical addiction. People do get addicted to things because of their particular psychological make up and the response to reward mechanisms inside their own brains. Hence, addictions to gambling, ***, food, video games, etc. Arguing against the possibility is like arguing against the world being round, because these kinds of addictions are well documented. Given this guy's behavior he clearly has psychological issues, and video game addiction seems like the obvious culprit.

The only question is whether that's NCsoft's fault or his own fault or no one's fault at all. That's the point of the suit. I don't think he'll win any more than he'd win if he sued a casino, but it could put a scare into some developers to adopt game systems that create a negative incentive for spending more than a certain amount of time playing the game (similar to Surplus in FFXIV).

Your comments in general come across as some one who has very little life experience and who has never seen some one try to overcome a serious addiction. Saying "They should just have more will power" is like saying that some people should just be taller or better looking. I'm sure we'd all like to have no weaknesses, but some people, for whatever reason, just have a harder time coping than others. The funny thing is it's often the most judgmental folks (Rush Limbaugh) who have the hardest time with addiction, partially because of their attitude that addiction is a shameful weakness rather than a condition to be treated and overcome.


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Im not really aruging with it.. But i'm not going to convince myself that its some type of illness that needs to be treated... its personal choice... Do you think ppl that live on the streets do it because of illness and are unable to change thier life? Or are they on the street because of personal choice? If you have spoken with people that have live that life it is due to personal choice
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I can understand that there are legitimate addictions to any number of things: drugs, ****, gambling, games, or whatever else. I don't deny that it can truly be a terrible and nearly uncontrollable thing. I just think that a person who realizes their addiction is a problem should spend their resources trying to get help, not sue the source, especially when the source is legal and not harmful by nature. Drugs can harm or kill a person regardless of addiction. When it comes to video games, I think the problem lies in the addiction itself rather than something inherent in the product, if that makes sense. In that way I think that a drug dealer (for example) would be more reasonably held accountable than a video game company. Of course, I'm open to arguments to the contrary.
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I think it all depends on the person. Personally, when an mmo is really good,and you start getting into the mood for chasing all the nice gear/stuff ... it's time consuming. That's where the addiction comes in. It's like you tell yourself "I'll just play a little bit", then bam hours or w/e go by and you end up saying "I'll just play some more, since I've played this long".
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Im not really aruging with it.. But i'm not going to convince myself that its some type of illness that needs to be treated... its personal choice... Do you think ppl that live on the streets do it because of illness and are unable to change thier life? Or are they on the street because of personal choice? If you have spoken with people that have live that life it is due to personal choice


Yeah I think we agree a bit on that. It's still choice rather than an illness. People always have a choice. Where it gets even more complicated is that people see it as an illness because it keeps people from activities that are "socially acceptable." It's 2010, who the **** is anyone else to tell me what I should be doing? ***** what's more socially acceptable to your average automaton, being different does not equate illness and some people think it does. That doesn't mean some people don't have it really bad, but the whole "Oh he's different, he needs help" crap gets extremely carried away these days...
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Some people lack the ability to control their impulses. I'm not sure that's really NCsoft's fault, but the design of their games certainly does nothing to discourage this type of behavior. I guess you could argue that if it wasn't an MMO, it would be alcohol or **** or gambling or big macs or any thing else that people indulge to harmful excess.

True but alcoholics don't sue budweiser. Altho as I've started before, people did try suing McDonalds because their food made them fat.
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#31 Aug 29 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Excellent
All addiction/psychological debates aside, one of my biggest issues is from the legal side.

There will always be idiots trying idiotic things in life. It seems it's just a fact of life. But when a JUDGE, someone who is supposed to help shape and protect the sanctity of the legal system allows things like this to continue... I mean really. What this guy is doing is basically this:

WAH! They called me names! (RMT) -- Give me money that I don't deserve!
WAH! They took away my game! -- Give me 12 million dollars!
WAH! I'm too stupid to realize I can get addicted to something that I SEVERELY overuse! -- Give me money that I haven't earned!

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@#%^ing jackass moron. Where's Mikhalia to join my ranting when I need him!?



k, back to my usual calm and collected self lol.

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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:

WAH! They called me names! (RMT) -- Give me money that I don't deserve!
WAH! They took away my game! -- Give me 12 million dollars!
WAH! I'm too stupid to realize I can get addicted to something that I SEVERELY overuse! -- Give me money that I haven't earned!


Welcome to todays youth.
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#33 Aug 29 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:

WAH! They called me names! (RMT) -- Give me money that I don't deserve!
WAH! They took away my game! -- Give me 12 million dollars!
WAH! I'm too stupid to realize I can get addicted to something that I SEVERELY overuse! -- Give me money that I haven't earned!


Welcome to todays youth.


Isn't the guy like 51 though? I mean, this is the sort of behavior you'd expect from a 3 year old.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Vackashken wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:

WAH! They called me names! (RMT) -- Give me money that I don't deserve!
WAH! They took away my game! -- Give me 12 million dollars!
WAH! I'm too stupid to realize I can get addicted to something that I SEVERELY overuse! -- Give me money that I haven't earned!


Welcome to todays youth.


Isn't the guy like 51 though? I mean, this is the sort of behavior you'd expect from a 3 year old.


Yeah those aren't youth-exclusive traits
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#35 Aug 29 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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True but alcoholics don't sue budweiser. Altho as I've started before, people did try suing McDonalds because their food made them fat.


The key factor missing in both the McDonald's suit and in any suit against an alcohol manufacturer is whether or not a product is designed deliberately have addictive properties. One of the damning facts that led to the massive settlement with tobacco companies is the fact that in some cases cigarette makers were adding additional nicotine in order to increase the habit forming (AKA addictive) nature of their product. If there was evidence showing that trans fat or salt were, by themselves habit forming, then the lawsuit against McDonald's might have carried more weight, because McDonald's (and most processed food makers) add fat and salt to their ingredients in order to make their food more appetizing. It's just hard to make a case that any thing that makes food taste better is an evil ingredient, and without being able to make that case, it almost doesn't matter how much they add or why.

In the case of an MMO, the "ingredients" are the individual game elements. MMOs have traditionally employed certain mechanisms that are blatantly Pavlovian, such as a rewarding "chime" sound when you level up or complete a quest or whatever. If some one could demonstrate the habit forming power of these game mechanics and IF they could show that such mechanics were deliberately instated for the purpose of causing people to play more, then they might have a chance to win such a case. Of course, most juries will contain one or two skeptics who simply don't believe in psychological addiction, so without a chemical "smoking gun" such as nicotine, this would be an uphill battle to say the least.

I don't think this guy has a chance of winning, and I'm not really sure he should win, but I do hope this at least puts a scare into a few people. When you've got people like Activision CEO Bobby Kotick who are clear sociopaths with barely any sense of restraint or moral conviction, it's not that far fetched to think that some company at some point will deliberately try to make people addicted in order to make a few extra dollars.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Vackashken wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:

WAH! They called me names! (RMT) -- Give me money that I don't deserve!
WAH! They took away my game! -- Give me 12 million dollars!
WAH! I'm too stupid to realize I can get addicted to something that I SEVERELY overuse! -- Give me money that I haven't earned!


Welcome to todays youth.


Isn't the guy like 51 though? I mean, this is the sort of behavior you'd expect from a 3 year old.


The pin-point example of the man is just one shade. The youth remark is aimed at this idea that is prevalent in this generation of entitlements and blame on anyone but me. And its because of these exact things that people can and will continue to do this junk in greater and greater enthusiasm. Why take responsibility for it when you can just play someone else and get paid/free pass for it?

Its because of these things (again I say) becoming more and more common place that the youth of today is just saying "*ck all", someone will bail me out. People sometimes need to fall - and hard - in order to learn a lesson.

****, when I was in college and ff7 just came out I screwed up so bad I almost didn't make it. I didn't blame it on the game, or the play station, or mom. I knuckled down. Realized I was being a tard, and did my work and caught back up where I needed to me. Nowadays I could just blame it on someone and get a passing grade.

Again, (for the third time?) its things like this - total lack of consequence - that is ingraining the idea of its ok to have someone else take care of it for you/blame it one someone else instead of waking up and getting your rear in gear. Sometimes it takes a failing grade/lost job/ lost wife to realize its YOU who needs to take the reigns of your own action and learn from your mistake.

This guy should have been sent packing with a pamphlet titled "its time to grow up".



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#37 Aug 29 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Im not really aruging with it.. But i'm not going to convince myself that its some type of illness that needs to be treated... its personal choice... Do you think ppl that live on the streets do it because of illness and are unable to change thier life? Or are they on the street because of personal choice? If you have spoken with people that have live that life it is due to personal choice


Yeah I think we agree a bit on that. It's still choice rather than an illness.



No, there really is a link between mental illness and homelessness. It really isn't accurate to portray it as a "choice" - the word choice is overused and misunderstood - because it ignores the fact not everyone has the same capacity to make good choices.

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#38 Aug 29 2010 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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All addiction/psychological debates aside, one of my biggest issues is from the legal side.

There will always be idiots trying idiotic things in life. It seems it's just a fact of life. But when a JUDGE, someone who is supposed to help shape and protect the sanctity of the legal system allows things like this to continue... I mean really.


As far as I can tell, the judge is entirely correct. It's not his job at this point to judge the merits of the case, only whether the specifics of the case could realistically fall under established laws, and whether or not the plaintiff has some amount of evidence to present. The fact that he threw out four of the eight counts tells me that he's probably paying close attention to the letter of the law rather than just rubber stamping any thing that comes across his desk. He hasn't found for the plaintiff, just established that the plaintiff does have a right to be heard.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
@#%^ing jackass moron. Where's Mikhalia to join my ranting when I need him!?


You're right. The guy has wasted his life away and now he wants money for nothing. He probably has tons of debt piled up and sees this as a way to get it paid off.
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I wish I had time to have a full-blown video game addiction. It sounds like fun.
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No, there really is a link between mental illness and homelessness. It really isn't accurate to portray it as a "choice" - the word choice is overused and misunderstood - because it ignores the fact not everyone has the same capacity to make good choices.


What I was talking about, and what annoys me, is when it's assumed all of them have an illness. Some people really choose to be homeless or something similar, living "off of the grid." Yeah, your numbers show a link between homelessness & other illnesses, but there's not a "Homelessness illness" they all share. Not all people with health problems become homeless, not all people with addictions become homeless.

Not all people who play too many video games have an illness....
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Grand Master Scribe Olorinus wrote:
No, there really is a link between mental illness and homelessness. It really isn't accurate to portray it as a "choice" - the word choice is overused and misunderstood - because it ignores the fact not everyone has the same capacity to make good choices.


What I was talking about, and what annoys me, is when it's assumed all of them have an illness. Some people really choose to be homeless or something similar, living "off of the grid." Yeah, your numbers show a link between homelessness & other illnesses, but there's not a "Homelessness illness" they all share. Not all people with health problems become homeless, not all people with addictions become homeless.

Not all people who play too many video games have an illness....



I agree they don't all have an illness and I have met a small number of "by choice" homeless people. I have also been homeless myself before (sort of by choice - but more by making bad decisions and not realizing their outcomes... and in one case by making a good decision which had an immediate bad effect). However when 80+ per cent of a demographic has health/addiction/mental health problems one needs to consider that the members of that demographic are probably not there fully by choice. One has to ask WHY are there so many more homeless people with these characteristics than in the rest of the population? The answer is these characteristics are risk factors which can influence the path people go down.

Again, the issue of choice is overhyped. Choice is never an absolute - it is always dictated by circumstance. For example Americans "chose" to have Obama as president - but in reality it wasn't a full choice - for most Americans Obama is a compromise at best, just like every other president. One makes choices based on:

a) innate ability (or lack thereof) to determine the risks and rewards associated with each action
b) choices available at the time
c) choices which -appear- available
d) based on past experience (which may not necessarily transfer to the future)
e) basic mental capacity (sound of mind vs. mentally ill - normal personality vs addictive personality)

It isn't really realistic to chalk all of people's misfortunes up to choice. Someone with fetal alcohol syndrome for example may not even be mentally capable of understanding the consequences of their actions (for example) - that is just something that is wrong with their brains. They were born with the condition - yes - they are making choices but that doesn't mean they should be held responsible for not fully thinking through the consequences given the fact that their brains are incapable of doing so.

The same goes for people raised in crappy circumstances - some people (like me for example) have the innate resiliency to escape from a crappy upbringing without too much permanent damage. Others end up with lower intelligence, fewer coping mechanisms and a propensity to addiction. Blaming them when they make choices that they were perhaps incapable of fully parsing is not productive. Blame itself isn't productive at all. I don't like homelessness because frankly it is messy and I don't like having people beg me for change on the streets.

However, instead of blaming the person or trying to move them or stop them from begging I want society to take a proactive response which helps them get on the right track.


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#43 Aug 29 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Anywayyy.. lol obviously we just all have different opinions of the word addiction.. some like to put the word medical to it.. well it gives someone money so may as well.. Just like ADHD (lol)

Polls are bs cuz its full of bsers... i would say im disabled or addicted if it gave me an excuse to do something i wanted... I lived in st louis for 23 of my 24 years of life and saw ppl so old and homeless.. I always wondered if they were miserable why did they live so long.. after talking with a few they enjoyed the worryfree enviroment.. they always got hand outs.. didnt have to pay bills.. Just thats how they liked to live...

I didnt see that option in your poll.. And highly doubt it wasn't the truth for some of the poll attendees...

butttt not a thread about homelessness soo I wont stray off that way

I am addicted to FFXIV so much I check these forums daily... The game isnt even out and im so hyped!! I planned to play 24/7 and get max level asap.. With surplus.. I can not do that .. so before my addiction even began it is stopped! I am now depressed and stopped speaking with my fiance.. She is worried because I now wake up in the middle of night and cry that I will not be max lvl with in the first 3 months.. I stopped feeding my child.. S-E I shall see you in court..
#44 Aug 29 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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It definitely has to be looked at a case-by-case basis. I'll always be annoyed by & disagree with any blanket statements that try to cover all situations because in that case 1+1=2 looks right but leaves out all the other variables.

I think it fits in this discussion of lawsuits because while all people may not have the ability to make the right choices, those that do may take advantage & claim that they didn't when it serves their purpose of winning a settlement.
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#45 Aug 29 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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People need to stop blaming other people for their own inability to show some **** self restraint.

That judge is an assclown who is only making it worse. For every frivolous lawsuit over dumb **** like this that doesn't get thrown out of court, it gives other people the knowledge that "You, too, can ignore any responsibility in your life and blame others!"

That case should have been laughed out of court and the plaintiff should have been slapped with a countersuit for wasting the court's time.
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#46 Aug 29 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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[edit] this conversation continued on while i was taking my sweet time posting and now my post doesn't add that much except the last part..

I have two of the most common "habits" people have trouble breaking, nail-biting and caffeine. I often manage to go months without either before a relapse, it's very frustrating, to be halfway through a movie to *suddenly* realize I've lost 2-3 fingernails and have no recollection of my fingers in my mouth and feel out of control like that. Then unlike nail biting I'll crave caffeine and actually reach points at work on a bad day where I'll rationalize having it because it genuinely de-stresses me to enjoy one when I want it. perhaps because I've experienced feelings of being out of control and craving (on this tame level) I can understand how stronger versions of these can control a persons life.


Edited, Aug 29th 2010 7:21pm by Tweezle120
#47 Aug 29 2010 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but what you need to realize is that an addiction is an addiction, no matter what it's too - there's a chemical response inside your body that goes off, giving you that "high". When you're not doing that activity, you're "down" and go into withdrawl etc.


Addiction or not, you won't die if you quit playing video games. Kicking a chemical addiction however can kill you in a couple days without medical attention, such as with heroin and alcohol. This guy is a loser and a weakling and should have been dropped off the cliff in Sparta.
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#48 Aug 30 2010 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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Guys like this are the reason why we have surplus in FFXIV

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#49 Aug 30 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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Tweezle120 wrote:
[edit] this conversation continued on while i was taking my sweet time posting and now my post doesn't add that much except the last part..

I have two of the most common "habits" people have trouble breaking, nail-biting and caffeine. I often manage to go months without either before a relapse, it's very frustrating, to be halfway through a movie to *suddenly* realize I've lost 2-3 fingernails and have no recollection of my fingers in my mouth and feel out of control like that. Then unlike nail biting I'll crave caffeine and actually reach points at work on a bad day where I'll rationalize having it because it genuinely de-stresses me to enjoy one when I want it. perhaps because I've experienced feelings of being out of control and craving (on this tame level) I can understand how stronger versions of these can control a persons life.


Edited, Aug 29th 2010 7:21pm by Tweezle120


No one is saying addictions aren't a real thing that are difficult to control sometimes. You can't sue the movie maker for you biting your nails though.

I'm a bit of a caffeine addict myself; I shouldn't be able to sue Pepsi because of this.

Addictive gameplay is -not- something a game's maker should be legally responsible for. What's the solution; make games people -don't- want to play?
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#50 Aug 30 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://i37.tinypic.com/qp5vz6.jpg

New MMO for him.

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#51 Aug 30 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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hmmm guess i could sue God for making women too...
oh wait i shouldn't.
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