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#52 Aug 30 2010 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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Jumping on the fios bandwagon. The router seems to automatically do some port forwarding rules for you, which is nice. I still throw my pc into DMZ host mode for the update anyway though.
#53 Aug 30 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I've never used any torrent programs on my Windows box that I play games on (I only download anything on Linux).

Checking the router, it looks like FFXIV (among other games) just automatically added the following to the router:

UDP Any -> 443
TCP Any -> 57478
UDP Any -> 57478
TCP Any -> 55301

So it seems like FIOS routers will automatically forward ports for you. If you're not using FIOS, try forwarding those ports and see if that helps.

My download and upload are both going back and forth between 450-600 Kbps right now.
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#54 Aug 30 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Oh, one more thing:

I have Verizon FIOS and I'm using the MI424WR router they give you when you sign up for FIOS internet.

Speeds are great and I didn't have to forward any ports at all. Personal endorsement.


Same here! I just wish you had the option to leave the program open when it was done to keep uploading. I can't play until tomorrow night anyway and it wouldn't have to use such silly upload/download balances if they allowed a longer longer upload. Fios can upload like a MB if not downloading at the same time, and I'm sporting 23 remote and 19 local connections right now, I could seriously help seed this thing over night, but instead they'll wait for my client to hit 97% then chuck my DL speed and make me upload another 10 minutes straight before finishing. These last minute "upload bursts" don't seem very efficient, I don't want to say WoW did it better, but having the option to run this in the background of the game for those of us with big connections could really help.


I do agree; I wish I could seed upload when not downloading. My upload just hit 750 Kbps while I'm typing this message and is teetering around 650-700ish right now.
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i'm envious of your speeds. I guess i started downloading too early when there werent too many peers, because i capped in between 200 and 300 for both. Last time i was almost at 2 MB/s down. Whats your max download for torrents Mikhalia? Also, any special reason for using Linux for downloading only?
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Ok so is anyone from the UK using a BT Home-Hub (the black one) having no real luck with the whole port forwarding..im at 35.9% and it's really slowed down to about 10kb/s but its jumping all over the place, sometimes going below a KB? any suggestions?


Yes, using the 2.0 Hub... it sucks. They just got in trouble recently for false advertised speeds, but it won't help us. Port forwarding worked though on the last Beta and I was getting up to 400kbs download. You can PM me and I can try to help you if you haven't figured it out yet.

*EDIT* Actually here, just in case any one else has a Home Hub

Go to your router settings, accessed on ours by using 192.168.1.254 in a new browser

Then log in, Go to advanced, Application sharing, Supported Applications

Now click add new game or application, name it whatever

Add the following (updated with Miks stuff just in case it helps) line by line, you only need to do it once, it auto copies for the next two inputs for each line. Ensure you have TCP and TCP or UDP and UDP and also input 0 in the last line.

TCP 55296-55551 55296-55551 TCP 0
UDP 55296-55551 55296-55551 UDP 0
TCP 80-80 80-80 TCP 0
UDP 80-80 80-80 UDP 0
TCP 443-443 443-443 TCP 0
UDP 443-443 443-443 UDP 0
UDP 57478-57478 57478-57478 UDP 0
TCP 57478-57478 57478-57478 TCP 0

Now go back to configuration, from the drop down select the name you used, click it and apply it

Should be good to go

Notice I overdid things a bit, seemed to help

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 5:04pm by PerrinofSylph
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#57 Aug 30 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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I'm in the same boat with the verizon fios. There needs to be an option to seed for other people in the downloader. Check box or something because I've got tons of delicious up speed to give. Typical speeds I get are around 4-5MB/s down and about the same up.
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Mikhalia, those numbers you have written down, can you write them as 2 numbers?...like..X - Y as that's how my router takes them...also, my router doesn't give the option of TCP any OR UDP any..only either TCP, UDP, and ANY all three are seperate options..?
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Dagger99 wrote:
i'm envious of your speeds. I guess i started downloading too early when there werent too many peers, because i capped in between 200 and 300 for both. Last time i was almost at 2 MB/s down. Whats your max download for torrents Mikhalia? Also, any special reason for using Linux for downloading only?


I'm not sure, I usually start the download and then just check back later. Most of my downloading is done overnight; I tend not to pay much attention to it.

As for Linux; some people don't trust Internet Explorer... I don't trust Windows.

Let's just say that when you download stuff that may come with a virus, it's best to minimize your risk. An anti-virus program can reduce it, but Linux negates the chance of any DLL, EXE, or registry-modifying code.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:49pm by Mikhalia
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SpikeoElward wrote:
Mikhalia, those numbers you have written down, can you write them as 2 numbers?...like..X - Y as that's how my router takes them...also, my router doesn't give the option of TCP any OR UDP any..only either TCP, UDP, and ANY all three are seperate options..?


Oh.

UDP -> 443-443
TCP & UDP> 57478-57478
TCP -> 55301-55301

Better?
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SpikeoElward wrote:
Mikhalia, those numbers you have written down, can you write them as 2 numbers?...like..X - Y as that's how my router takes them...also, my router doesn't give the option of TCP any OR UDP any..only either TCP, UDP, and ANY all three are seperate options..?


You will want to use the ones I listed below, make sure you use port range forwarding and not just port forwarding, it could be any value between.

UDP 55296 – 55551
TCP 54992 – 55551
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#63 Aug 30 2010 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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With your speeds i doubt you need to leave your pc on overnight, you could get everything you want in no time! I'm rocking slightly slower fios speeds it seems. Wiser words were never spoken about the Linux vs. Windows security as well.
For media though as long as you dont use WMP and dont fall for the fake codec trick you should be fine, at least to my knowledge. Thankfully trojan downloaders stuck in image files have gone the way of the dodo though.

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Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:54pm by Dagger99
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Ok, sorry for being such a pain in the *** but when you say 80, 443 do you mean 80 - 80, 443 - 443? so far my router just hasn't done anything when port forwarding...which i dont understand as it worked 3 days ago whilst downloading the beta :(
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#65 Aug 30 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, thats correct. 80-80 and 443-443
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Wint wrote:
UDP 80


Why does a P2P downloader need an HTTP port exactly? Smiley: dubious

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 1:04pm by Mikhalia
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#67 Aug 30 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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SpikeoElward wrote:
Ok, sorry for being such a pain in the *** but when you say 80, 443 do you mean 80 - 80, 443 - 443? so far my router just hasn't done anything when port forwarding...which i dont understand as it worked 3 days ago whilst downloading the beta :(


80-80 and 443-443 (although I'm not sure why you would need port 80). Don't do 80-443.
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#68 Aug 30 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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I'd like to post a screen shot of what it looks like, then maybe people could see my issue!? but im not sure how, and not sure if id be allowed?
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If any one uses Webroot Spysweeper (or possibly similar products), the new version of the program doesn't shutoff even when you fully close it. Gamermode is also bugged and even if it's set to not turn off, it still will after a few hours. If gamer mode turns off, you will end up with 0 remote connections. So check it every time you wake up in the night :p

I'm not overly concerned because the PC it's installed on is going to my wife who needs a helping hand with PC security, me, I'm livid that I paid for a program (that I've had for 4 years) that decided it was going to act this way mid subscription. But at least it works better than Norton.
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#70 Aug 30 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Dagger99 wrote:
With your speeds i doubt you need to leave your pc on overnight, you could get everything you want in no time! I'm rocking slightly slower fios speeds it seems. Wiser words were never spoken about the Linux vs. Windows security as well.
For media though as long as you dont use WMP and dont fall for the fake codec trick you should be fine, at least to my knowledge. Thankfully trojan downloaders stuck in image files have gone the way of the dodo though.


Protip: Video files under 1 MB = Usually a virus Smiley: lol

I also like the WMV files that try to tell you you need to download a quicktime update. Double Smiley: lol.

As for why I do it overnight; I don't do it with small (<100 MB) files but anything over that like an ISO or a movie I usually start downloading and then go make some food or take a bath or go to bed. Force of habit that still carries over from dialup days.
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I'd like to post a screen shot of what it looks like, then maybe people could see my issue!? but im not sure how, and not sure if id be allowed?


Dude, scroll up...






Or don't:


Go to your router settings, accessed on ours by using 192.168.1.254 in a new browser

Then log in, Go to advanced, Application sharing, Supported Applications

Now click add new game or application, name it whatever

Add the following (updated with Miks stuff just in case it helps) line by line, you only need to do it once, it auto copies for the next two inputs for each line. Ensure you have TCP and TCP or UDP and UDP and also input 0 in the last line.

TCP 55296-55551 55296-55551 TCP 0
UDP 55296-55551 55296-55551 UDP 0
TCP 80-80 80-80 TCP 0
UDP 80-80 80-80 UDP 0
TCP 443-443 443-443 TCP 0
UDP 443-443 443-443 UDP 0
UDP 57478-57478 57478-57478 UDP 0
TCP 57478-57478 57478-57478 TCP 0

Now go back to configuration, from the drop down select the name you used, click it and apply it

Should be good to go

Notice I overdid things a bit, seemed to help
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#72 Aug 30 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
Go to your router settings, accessed on ours by using 192.168.1.254 in a new browser


Two things:

1) 192.168.1.254 is uncommon. Most routers use 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.2.1.
2) Instructions for forwarding ports vary greatly from model to model and brand to brand. http://portforward.com/ is a good resource.

Very helpful walkthrough though; not trying to bash you, just clarify some points ^^

EDIT: I'm still a bit wary about forwarding port 80. Port 80 is the HTTP port; it's used for browsing webpages typically. Forwarding it could potentially cause other computers on the network to have issues viewing webpages.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 1:14pm by Mikhalia
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I'm a huge fan of the start download and make food/take bath/walk animal method, but even at my speeds leaving a download open overnight for a 4-8 gig iso or blu-ray movie seems like a waste of power. Then again i dont have a separate box to do it on, so my powerhog of a windows machine would have to be on. Multiple torrents going though, that's understandable.
Does anyone else use some kind of Usenet? I love it because it is always maxing out my connection and newzbin can bookmark things from a phone that your pc will download at home.
I wonder if any of the four people with dialup will want to play this game. They'll be updating for weeks.

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And if Mikhalia's default router IPs dont work for you, try this:
Start > Run > cmd > ipconfig
The IP next to default gateway will be the address of your router 99% of the time, unless you connect through another computer i believe

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 1:20pm by Dagger99
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Dagger99 wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the start download and make food/take bath/walk animal method, but even at my speeds leaving a download open overnight for a 4-8 gig iso or blu-ray movie seems like a waste of power. Then again i dont have a separate box to do it on, so my powerhog of a windows machine would have to be on. Multiple torrents going though, that's understandable.
Does anyone else use some kind of Usenet? I love it because it is always maxing out my connection and newzbin can bookmark things from a phone that your pc will download at home.
I wonder if any of the four people with dialup will want to play this game. They'll be updating for weeks.

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And if Mikhalia's default router IPs dont work for you, try this:
Start > Run > cmd > ipconfig
The IP next to default gateway will be the address of your router 99% of the time, unless you connect through another computer i believe

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 1:20pm by Dagger99


I never turn any of my computers off anyway, except restarts as mandated by an install or update.

And the ipconfig thing will typically tell you your router IP. I'd pretty much say that if your default gateway is -not- your router, you probably know enough that you don't have to rely on tech help from a FFXIV message board Smiley: smile
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Why would you limit the upload to your fellow downloaders?

Because it's uncapped. If your upstream bandwidth is saturated, you'll have insane latency and it'll affect your downstream bandwidth. If you're trying to play another online game while you wait you'll be lag spiking constantly, meaning it'll be unplayable.

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Speeds are great and I didn't have to forward any ports at all.

UPnP is the reason why you don't need to configure anything. If it's enabled, you're fine. If it's not, enable it then you're good to go.

If there's a problem with UPnP, then there's a different story.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Go to your router settings, accessed on ours by using 192.168.1.254 in a new browser


Two things:

1) 192.168.1.254 is uncommon. Most routers use 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.2.1.
2) Instructions for forwarding ports vary greatly from model to model and brand to brand. http://portforward.com/ is a good resource.


He has the same router I do... I replied to his post from the first page. I was going to do PM but I forgot how unfriendly the PM system is here (as in no pop up to let you know and counter in a place you don't usually look)

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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Speeds are great and I didn't have to forward any ports at all.

UPnP is the reason why you don't need to configure anything. If it's enabled, you're fine. If it's not, enable it then you're good to go.

If there's a problem with UPnP, then there's a different story.


On my model router, even with UPnP I had to forward ports. I don't know if it's because I'm in England or because my ISPs equipment is crap (I suspect the latter)

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 5:40pm by PerrinofSylph
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#77 Aug 30 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks very much for all the help so far guys, especially PerrinofSylph, I've done everything said but still no luck...6.4 kb/s :(
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SpikeoElward wrote:
Thanks very much for all the help so far guys, especially PerrinofSylph, I've done everything said but still no luck...6.4 kb/s :(


What ISP do you use? Some ISP's throttle, and or outright block torrent traffic.
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That would be BT, but I know that's not the case as PerrinofSylph has exactly the same ISP and router...very annoying, just can't see why it would work for 1 guy and not the other?
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
PerrinofSylph wrote:
Go to your router settings, accessed on ours by using 192.168.1.254 in a new browser


Two things:

1) 192.168.1.254 is uncommon. Most routers use 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.2.1.
2) Instructions for forwarding ports vary greatly from model to model and brand to brand. http://portforward.com/ is a good resource.


He has the same router I do... I replied to his post from the first page. I was going to do PM but I forgot how unfriendly the PM system is here (as in no pop up to let you know and counter in a place you don't usually look)


I didn't notice his router model, so that's my fault.

As for the PMs; when you get a new one, it will pop up at the top of the screen to let you know. I can send you a test PM to show you what I mean if you want.
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SpikeoElward wrote:
That would be BT, but I know that's not the case as PerrinofSylph has exactly the same ISP and router...very annoying, just can't see why it would work for 1 guy and not the other?

You could try setting up a static ip address for your pc. It may help you.


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Ok so that site does look very helpful, but once I create a static IP address, can I just leave it that way?
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I set up the port fowarding which was listed by perri (using a BT home hub 2.0) tryed turning the DMZ off and for the client to use UPnP port mapping already using a static IP to but to not avail the downloader is running like a dog at about 3.6Kb/s which puts it at about 26 and a half hours to download so any further help would be cool
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Glad I'm not the only one! Not glad you're also having problems...but you know what I mean...bthome-hub 2.0 sucks man bags..
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Nice, thanks for the heads up!

OT: I wonder what's the difference between remote and local connections...how local is "local?"
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#86 Aug 30 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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SpikeoElward wrote:
Ok so that site does look very helpful, but once I create a static IP address, can I just leave it that way?


Yup.
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Are there any notes out yet? I am personally hoping they finally added the arrow keys to control the camera.
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Anybody else's antivirus get triggered with that last download? My Microsoft Security Essentials picked something up. I ended up allowing it to finish the beta download, hoping it was just a false positive.
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#89 Aug 30 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Anybody else's antivirus get triggered with that last download? My Microsoft Security Essentials picked something up. I ended up allowing it to finish the beta download, hoping it was just a false positive.


Nothing so far. I'm 77% in.
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Hmm ok thanks Mik. @ Slver, did you use port forwarding when downloaded the Beta the first time? I was actually trying to port forward for utorrent, so set my ports to 40000 and then almost instantly it seemed to effect beta client bringing it up to 170kb/s. Ironically it did nothing but slow utorrent down though lol...But I tried the same today to see if it made the download any faster but no luck.

I guess what im asking is...did port forwarding work last time, but not this time? As that seems to be the case for me?
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#91 Aug 30 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Are there any notes out yet? I am personally hoping they finally added the arrow keys to control the camera.


They usually don't update the Beta site with a lot of patch details. But this one may be different. Nothing so far though.
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Slver wrote:
I set up the port fowarding which was listed by perri (using a BT home hub 2.0) tryed turning the DMZ off and for the client to use UPnP port mapping already using a static IP to but to not avail the downloader is running like a dog at about 3.6Kb/s which puts it at about 26 and a half hours to download so any further help would be cool


My dl speed is about the same now.

I've tried all the static Ip and port forwarding etc, doesnt seem to make a difference.
#93 Aug 30 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
yeah I spoke to soon it is back to 5 kbs land. Nothing fixes this thing. /hate

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But it IS overall running faster than last time - just nowhere near as fast as it should be. Also I'd love it if square would come out and give an explaination why some people are getting no remote connections. I never have problems with other torrents and my speed stays precisely the same no matter what kind of DMZ/port forwarding/turning off everything - crap I do.



Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:10pm by Olorinus
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It started out slow, but now it's pretty steady at 160~260Kb/s for upload and download.

OT: It seems like there's no way to shut down AVG. So far it hasn't caused any problems yet, so I just hope it won't cause any problems when I run the game.
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#95 Aug 30 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Got this after the DL finished and it started the install:

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I had killed the MSE process but I guess I needed to stop the service itself. Rebooting caused the above pop up and once allowed, the install worked.

I'll be posting this in the feedback forum as well.
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#96 Aug 30 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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I've seen that in the beta forums and a couple times here now.
I wonder why mine isn't saying that. Its the most updated windows 7 and whatnot
#97 Aug 30 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are you using Microsoft Security Essentials for your AV? Are your definitions up to date?
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#98 Aug 30 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
It looks like they've added a Web interface with the beta client login screen now. It wont even let you attempt to put in your login info (not that you'd have any need to right now anyway). It gives you the usual Beta test webpage Maintenance error.
#99 Aug 30 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
Got this after the DL finished and it started the install:

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I had killed the MSE process but I guess I needed to stop the service itself. Rebooting caused the above pop up and once allowed, the install worked.

I'll be posting this in the feedback forum as well.

That's exactly what I got, Wint. Once I allowed the file, everything seemed to work fine.
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#100 Aug 30 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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@PerrinofSylph is you're still around, could u let me know what your download is running at? As it seems everyone else using bthome-hub 2.0 seems to be running at around 2kb/s...
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Thanks for the heads up Wint. Downloading the update now.

Its to bad we cant up a administrators rating. hah.

+1 anyway
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