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#1 Aug 30 2010 at 7:56 AM Rating: Default
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http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/8/30/amd-axes-ati-brand/

According to the article branding their cards AMD + Radeon > ATI + Radeon in regards to brand identification.
Which I don't doubt as ATI was garbage. (Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.)
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Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.


And to think now that they changed the name you wont have to worry about that anymore! if only Toyota knew about this before they called back all those cars >.<

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Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.


And to think now that they changed the name you wont have to worry about that anymore! if only Toyota new about this before they called back all those cars >.<


Which would work with all those consumers out there that don't do any research. New product name = new product in the eyes of unwary consumers.

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I don't get what all the fuss is. They are just dropping the brand to something else.

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#7 Aug 30 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Default
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And to think now that they changed the name you wont have to worry about that anymore! if only Toyota new about this before they called back all those cars >.<


Can you point out to me where I stated that the new AMD+Redeon cards were going to be better? They will still be crap, just like ATI branded cards where.

The qualification was as to why I felt they were junk cards.
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And to think now that they changed the name you wont have to worry about that anymore! if only Toyota new about this before they called back all those cars >.<


Can you point out to me where I stated that the new AMD+Redeon cards were going to be better? They will still be crap, just like ATI branded cards where.

The qualification was as to why I felt they were junk cards.


Ease up there, man. You're missing the sarcasm in the quoted text. He's saying that the name change isn't going to affect the new cards' performance and that it's only a marketing ploy. As far as I can tell, you're both (/we're all) on the same page with this one.
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I love my HD Radeon cards a lot more than Nvidia, also love it for HD video production and 3D rendering <3 XFX. I never used "ati"s anyways since I always used XFX lol.
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ah, this isn't the first time my sarcasm detector failed to go off today.. probably need new batteries... =(
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And to think now that they changed the name you wont have to worry about that anymore! if only Toyota new about this before they called back all those cars >.<


Can you point out to me where I stated that the new AMD+Redeon cards were going to be better? They will still be crap, just like ATI branded cards wherhttp://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1283176581271866416&post=1&replyto=1283178838292487949&page=1#e.

The qualification was as to why I felt they were junk cards.


I'm guessing that you meant Clarification and not Qualification.
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I'm guessing that you meant Clarification and not Qualification.


Nope, I didn't need to clarify what I said. What I said was pretty clear.

My remark about ATI sucking did need some kind of qualification for why my opinion should actually matter. That qualification is that I have and continue to (every few generations) purchase ATI graphics cards, meaning I'm not some nvidia fan boy who has never used an ATI card.

I hope this clarifies my use of the word qualify. ;)

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I'm guessing that you meant Clarification and not Qualification.


Nope, I didn't need to clarify what I said. What I said was pretty clear.

My remark about ATI sucking did need some kind of qualification for why my opinion should actually matter. That qualification is that I have and continue to (every few generations) purchase ATI graphics cards, meaning I'm not some nvidia fan boy who has never used an ATI card.

I hope this clarifies my use of the word qualify. ;)


I've used S3, nvidia, and ATI cards. Only ever had two cards die on me in the past two decades; a GeForce 5000 series and a Radeon HD 3650.

The rest of the cards I've used of all brands have been fine. You just have poor luck with cards.
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Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.


And to think now that they changed the name you wont have to worry about that anymore! if only Toyota new about this before they called back all those cars >.<


Which would work with all those consumers out there that don't do any research. New product name = new product in the eyes of unwary consumers.


Xfinity. That is all.
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I love my HD Radeon cards a lot more than Nvidia, also love it for HD video production and 3D rendering <3 XFX. I never used "ati"s anyways since I always used XFX lol.


Ummm... XFX cards are still ATI, look at the box. XFX is just the OEM.
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You just have poor luck with cards.


I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that were talking about no less then 6 cards. Are they ALL bad, no of course not. All of our mac workstations use them (ATI) and don't have any problems. But I'm not a gambler. Out of the 6+ Nvidia cards I've used I've been able to pass every single one of them on to my younger brother where he continues to use them until I get a new one.

Fool me once shame on you.... I'm sure they have that saying in Tennessee, I know they have it in Texas... hows that go again... meh

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You just have poor luck with cards.


I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that were talking about no less then 6 cards.

Fool me once shame on you.... I'm sure they have that saying in Tennessee, I know they have it in Texas... hows that go again... meh


The thing is, I have never heard of anyone having that kind of luck with a GPU, be it ATI or Nvidia. Makes me wonder what you are doing to them to have 6 in a row crap out on you.
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are doing to them to have 6 in a row crap out on you


Re-read what I have written. I never said it was six in a row. It has been cards over the past 7-8 ***** it where does the time go, it was probably more like over the past 10-15 years). I stated that I try one out every few generations to see if they are still trash.



Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:54pm by windexy

Lets go through the list of things I can remember:

1) first ATI card: bad vram would lock up randomly
2) all-in wonder capture card: something was wrong with the digital tuner (i guess) it would lock up the machine whenever you tried to watch tv for more than 10 minutes
3) early 3d cards were just coming out, same lockups randomly (i think this was due to immature drivers, ATI still had separate drivers for each card)
4) Card functioned fine in the performance department but for some reason most images with transparency were coming out the wrong colors: IE: the windows logo on the systems properties window was hot pink, brown, neon green and red.

Those are all I can remember... I've built hundreds of systems, plenty used ATI and were fine but when it comes to making a recommendation to someone else I couldn't in good conscience.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 1:01pm by windexy
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http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/8/30/amd-axes-ati-brand/

According to the article branding their cards AMD + Radeon > ATI + Radeon in regards to brand identification.
Which I don't doubt as ATI was garbage. (Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.)


Rebuttal: every one of the NVIDIA cards I have ever bought came defective in one way of another.

Because one persons experience is a perfect sample size amirite?
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Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.)


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if it weren't for the fact that were talking about no less then 6 cards


Put two and two together. I meant 6 ATI cards in a row. Are you buying them new or used, because this doesn't add up to me
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I still submit that you have had extremely poor luck with ATI cards.
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Put two and two together. I meant 6 ATI cards in a row. Are you buying them new or used, because this doesn't add up to me


Ah I see what you mean, nah all new in box.
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I still submit that you have had extremely poor luck with ATI cards.


No doubt.

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Those are all I can remember... I've built hundreds of systems, plenty used ATI and were fine but when it comes to making a recommendation to someone else I couldn't in good conscience.


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Rebuttal: every one of the NVIDIA cards I have ever bought came defective in one way of another.
Because one persons experience is a perfect sample size amirite?


See above, would you recommend nvidia then?


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Fool me once shame on you.... I'm sure they have that saying in Tennessee, I know they have it in Texas... hows that go again... meh


It goes: fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....looks like they've fooled you 6 times so I wouldn't use that saying if I were you. And geez you go through a ton of cards man, 10-15 years you've went through 6 or 7 ATI cards, and this wasn't "in a row" according to you, that's a crapload of cards.
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It goes: fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....looks like they've fooled you 6 times so I wouldn't use that saying if I were you.


You fool me once, cant get fooled again!

I'm no fan boy, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they have cleaned up their QA and try them out myself but when it comes to recommending them, not a chance.


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And geez you go through a ton of cards man, 10-15 years you've went through 6 or 7 ATI cards, and this wasn't "in a row" according to you, that's a crapload of cards.


I've built systems for ages, not so much anymore but I used to work at a parts shop so I would get to try out everything. I would generally keep a card for a few months, swap it for a newer one, then the old one I used would get put into a cheap used system and we would sell it as a used computer for gaming.


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I'm no fan boy, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they have cleaned up their QA and try them out myself but when it comes to recommending them, not a chance.


So you would buy ATI for yourself even though you think they are crap but recommending them is out of the question? Does not compute.
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See above, would you recommend nvidia then?


No, but what I would add is "Well, in my experience ... " instead of saying something must be always garbage because I have had issues with them.
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So you would buy ATI for yourself even though you think they are crap but recommending them is out of the question? Does not compute.


Think about it for a few more minutes.

My skill level regarding PC's is fairly high. I can figure out if the problem is stemming from the GPU or one of the other components. Not something everyone is capable of.

I try them out every so often to see if their quality has improved. One day they may outshine nvidia. When they do I will begin recommending them over nvidia but without trying them out I'll never know will I?
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So you would buy ATI for yourself even though you think they are crap but recommending them is out of the question? Does not compute.


Think about it for a few more minutes.

My skill level regarding PC's is fairly high. I can figure out if the problem is stemming from the GPU or one of the other components. Not something everyone is capable of.

I try them out every so often to see if their quality has improved. One day they may outshine nvidia. When they do I will begin recommending them over nvidia but without trying them out I'll never know will I?


I still think you just had ****** luck and that ATI are fine, but at least I can respect the fact that you've given ATI cards and nvidia cards a try, as opposed to people who only stick with one brand and insist that the other is garbage despite never having used one.
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I still think you just had sh*tty luck and that ATI are fine, but at least I can respect the fact that you've given ATI cards and nvidia cards a try, as opposed to people who only stick with one brand and insist that the other is garbage despite never having used one.


I'm sure I'm fairly rare in both points you've stated above.

They work out well for us here in the design shop but they aren't power houses by any means, they are mostly just there for vram upgrades because of the images and resolutions we work on/in.
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Another data point. Of the last 10 cards I have bought in the last 5 years or so there has been pretty much an even spread of ATI and nvidia cards. Failiures. A fan died on a Sapphire ATI HD 4850 card, I replaced the fan and the card continued working fine. No less than 5 nvidia 8000 series cards have died on me. The first was an 8800 GTS made by EVGA . It never worked from day one and crashed regularly. It was replaced under warranty though this meant sending it to Germany...
The replacement died after about 18 months. In the meantime I had bought 2x8800GT cards from BFG they gave up within a week of each other in separate PCs . Fortunately this was a few weeks before the 2years warranty expired. They went back this time to Wales and off to USA... A few weeks later the two cards returned. One was the same design as the original, the other had a different fan system. The one of the same design as the original lasted 3 months then died. It's been replaced by the other returned card. If it goes bad before it needs upgrading I will be replacing it with an ATI card.

2x Sapphire ATI x1650 cards a Powercolor ATI 1950 and a Sapphire HD4890 card are currently all in service as is an old nvidia 7300gt.

Without competition from ATI, nvidia cards would still be incredibly expensive. The 8800GTS card was over £200 but after the success of the 2000 and 3000 series ATI cards the 8800 GT cards were around the £100 mark.

I will look at the reviews and warranty on whatever I buy in the future. My experiences with nvidia have made me look again at ATI and I haven't been disappointed. I do get a bit worried when people sat "ATI are crap" I would recommend buying from a company you have faith in. The chips on the cards are made by the same companies but the QA and cooling systems make a big difference to reliability and are different from company to company.

So my next card will likely be an AMD card, but it will be on an intel based system!
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It's a good thing for the OP that he wasn't buying heart medicine, if it takes 6 fails in a row to learn your lesson...

I have had both ATI and Nvidia in my last 4 rigs. No failures in any of them.
I'm not quite sure if you were single-handedly trying to ruin ATI, or you just discovered the internet. I wouldn't brag about either of those options.
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I'd only had one ATi card, and it died pretty early on. I don't think I've had any bad experiences with any of the cards really. I didn't like the ati drivers though.
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I can see how this is both good and bad for AMD. To all the Intel fan boys out there, I can see them cringing now putting "ATI" cards in their computer when they are branded AMD. However, since "ATI" in my opinion is a better graphics card for the money, maybe more people will start using AMD processors if they have a good experience with the new cards.
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Interesting fact; ATI, formerly "Array Technologies Incorporated" before the buyout, is currently "ATI Technologies Incorporated". Go go recursive acronyms.
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I'm guessing that you meant Clarification and not Qualification.


Nope, I didn't need to clarify what I said. What I said was pretty clear.

My remark about ATI sucking did need some kind of qualification for why my opinion should actually matter. That qualification is that I have and continue to (every few generations) purchase ATI graphics cards, meaning I'm not some nvidia fan boy who has never used an ATI card.

I hope this clarifies my use of the word qualify. ;)


I've used S3, nvidia, and ATI cards. Only ever had two cards die on me in the past two decades; a GeForce 5000 series and a Radeon HD 3650.

The rest of the cards I've used of all brands have been fine. You just have poor luck with cards.
Only card that has ever died on me was an EVGA nVidia card. I've gotten my fair share of both nvidia and ati, and outside of the bad EVGA card, they all served me well.
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In early 2004 I began playing FFXI using a premade computer with some obscure, lousy GPU. Soon thereafter I built a decent quality rig with an ATI card (sorry, don't remember which one exactly) because I considered ATI products those with the best cost/performance ratio. I played FFXI for years on that rig. I overclocked with stock cooling and abused it with games it was never made to handle. I continued to use ATI cards in my new computers because of their outstanding value and solid quality.

I still have that rig, and the card still works fine.

The only card I've ever had die on me was a Geforce 6300 GT OC at stock speed.

Sorry, bud, but ATI is anything but trash. It sucks that you had bad luck, but...you had bad luck.
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I tried switching to Nvidia (GTX 285) earlier this year and I had to take the card back because it was basically unusable for what I wanted to do with it.

There was no option for full range RGB output to HDTV, it always defaulted to studio range and there was no option in the driver to change this. Checked online, it's a known issue with no work around.

It required a special cable to connect the SPDIF connector of your sound device to the card. This cable did not come with the card and is both ridiculously expensive and difficult to find.

If the card detects that the monitor it's connected to can accept an audio signal over HDMI it will tell the monitor that an audio signal is present. It even does this over a DVI->HDMI cable which is incapable of actually carrying an audio signal. The problem with this is that almost all HDTVs will shut off the analog audio if they detect a digital audio signal. Again it was a known issue with no work around.

Also, the framerate on FFXI with this card was simply awful, which was the final straw for me. So I sent it back and got a 5850 instead which worked perfectly with my HDTV immediately.



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It even does this over a DVI->HDMI cable which is incapable of actually carrying an audio signal.


Not completely true. I have a DVI-HDMI adapter on one of my 480's DVI outputs and I'm running an HDMI cable to my Onkyo receiver (which, in turn, runs HDMI to my TV and audio to my 5.1 speaker set). I didn't do anything other than plug the HDMI cable into the DVI-HDMI adapter, and I get full sound from my computer. I'm not saying it doesn't work in your case (because I haven't experienced it), but it is possible to pull sound through an nVidia card's DVI output via an HDMI cable.

EDIT: I'm also in the boat of "ATI cards have failed me enough that I'll stick with nVidia from now on."

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Which I don't doubt as ATI was garbage. (Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.)


You've got it wrong man. . ATi HARDWARE isn't garbage!!! [You're just DOING IT WRONG!]

They COULD stand to hire a better class of trained monkeys to program their drivers tho.

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Which I don't doubt as ATI was garbage. (Qualification: every one of the ATI cards I have ever bought came defective in one way or another.)


You've got it wrong man. . ATi HARDWARE isn't garbage!!! [You're just DOING IT WRONG!]

They COULD stand to hire a better class of trained monkeys to program their drivers tho.



Nvidia has their share of ***** drivers too (see my previous post)
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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PLDXavier, Defender of Justice wrote:
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It even does this over a DVI->HDMI cable which is incapable of actually carrying an audio signal.


Not completely true. I have a DVI-HDMI adapter on one of my 480's DVI outputs and I'm running an HDMI cable to my Onkyo receiver (which, in turn, runs HDMI to my TV and audio to my 5.1 speaker set). I didn't do anything other than plug the HDMI cable into the DVI-HDMI adapter, and I get full sound from my computer. I'm not saying it doesn't work in your case (because I haven't experienced it), but it is possible to pull sound through an nVidia card's DVI output via an HDMI cable.

EDIT: I'm also in the boat of "ATI cards have failed me enough that I'll stick with nVidia from now on."

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 8:53am by PLDXavier


I don't think you understand the problem.

A DVI to HDMI adapter block (which are specific to ATI or Nvidia) is not the same as a generic DVI to HDMI cable.

Problem was, when I used the DVI to HDMI adaptor the card came with it defaulted to Limited Range RGB and there was no way to change this. The drivers only had RGB and YCbCr as pixel format options. The card would automatically choose full or studio range. The only way to get full range RGB was to use a generic DVI to HDMI cable (which can't carry an audio signal).

And because the card would tell the HDTV that an audio signal was present (which the cable cannot carry) then the HDTV would shut off the analog inputs. So I couldn't use analog audio.

So I could either have sound and be stuck with limited/studio range RGB, or I could have full range RGB and have no sound.



Edited, Aug 31st 2010 10:35am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#44 Aug 31 2010 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
Lobivopis wrote:
PLDXavier, Defender of Justice wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
It even does this over a DVI->HDMI cable which is incapable of actually carrying an audio signal.


Not completely true. I have a DVI-HDMI adapter on one of my 480's DVI outputs and I'm running an HDMI cable to my Onkyo receiver (which, in turn, runs HDMI to my TV and audio to my 5.1 speaker set). I didn't do anything other than plug the HDMI cable into the DVI-HDMI adapter, and I get full sound from my computer. I'm not saying it doesn't work in your case (because I haven't experienced it), but it is possible to pull sound through an nVidia card's DVI output via an HDMI cable.

EDIT: I'm also in the boat of "ATI cards have failed me enough that I'll stick with nVidia from now on."

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 8:53am by PLDXavier


A DVI to HDMI adaptor block is not the same as a DVI to HDMI cable.

Problem was, when I used the DVI to ADMI adaptor the card came with it defaulted to Limited Range RGB. The only way to get full range RGB was to use a generic DVI to HDMI cable (which can't carry an audio signal).

So I could either have sound and be stuck with limited/studio range RGB, or I could have full range RGB and have no sound.


Ahh ok. You're absolutely right, then, that does suck. I guess I've never noticed limited vs full RGB -- does it really make that large a difference? I read a lot about "blacks look blacker" and all that, but I play most of my games at like 65% brightness anyway (I'd rather be able to see in the shadows than have ambiance) so it's probably wasted on me. Also, would using a mini-HDMI->HDMI adapter help rectify the problem?
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#45 Aug 31 2010 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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This thread intrigues me. Consumer "fact" is always interesting.

For the record, I've had horrible luck with nVidia cards, and have had great luck with ATI cards. I'm one of those people that if I'm satisfied, I don't care what others say. That's why I stick with my health insurance and car insurance provider - because they've been great to me, despite everyone I know having horrible luck with them (at my recommendation to switch >.< whoops!).
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