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New to Pc gaming , will this PC run FFXIV in high resolutionFollow

#1 Aug 30 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello , i played the last final fantasy online on Xbox for over 2 and abit years totally loved it , and when i heard this was coming out i decided to invest in a PC , which is arriving on wednesday now ive never built a computer so i thought i just buy one ready , so i went for this at £1,198.00 , do you think its going to be ok ? sorry im not a techy lol

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 920 2.66GHz (8MB Cache) Quad Core Processor
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5670 CrossfireX™ Enabled
MEMORY 6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
HARD DRIVE 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
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#2 Aug 30 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Forget my first comment looked wrongly on the grapich card. Not sure how good it is.



Edited, Aug 30th 2010 6:39pm by CWinther
#3 Aug 30 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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It'll run it, not too well on high res, probably pretty well on low res. Out of curiosity, how much did it cost you?

Sorry didn't notice you posted the price...dunno about anyone else here but i think you could've done better with that price tag, good computer nonetheless :), have fun in FFXIV.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:11pm by SolidMack
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SolidMack wrote:
It'll run it, not too well on high res, probably pretty well on low res. Out of curiosity, how much did it cost you?


He already stated :)

IIIvirusIII wrote:
£1,198.00
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#5 Aug 30 2010 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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That video card falls between a 9600gt and a 9800gt so yes it will run the game. High resolution probably not great maybe with settings turned down some.
#6 Aug 30 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Why do people keep buying computers and THEN asking if the build is going to be suitable for FFXIV?

The 5670 is... passable. It's a pretty cheap card though, and really not worth the investment. That's going to be a huge bottleneck for you. The 5770 is a significant step up in performance for not much more money. Of course, replacing it on your own instead of just buying it from the factory in the PC causes you to lose all of the money you paid for the 5670.

But sh*t, it's already shipping, why bother with the thread?



Edited, Aug 30th 2010 11:20am by bsphil
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#7 Aug 30 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Looks good to me. Should play the game pretty well, but upgrading to a 5850 or a 5870 would give you a huge boost, particularly in the hi-res department. But the rest of it looks pretty solid.
#8 Aug 30 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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ok thanks guys , guess ill just have to wait and see if its runs the benchmark ok on wednesday night , hopeully it runs it fine because i cant wait for the 22nd . silly question , how easy is it just to take out the card and replace it ?
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#9 Aug 30 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Open the case up, unplug the power cord from the card, and pull it out of the slot? It's not remotely involved, you just have to know what one looks like. If you don't, try google.
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#10 Aug 30 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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ok thanks , well if i need to replace the card down the line i will . thanks for the advice
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#11 Aug 30 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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56XX is kinda meh. I noticed that it's crossfired, but I'm not sure why you'd get two 5670s and crossfire them.

5770 or a 58XX would have been a better investment.

Processor is okay.
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#12 Aug 30 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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O didn't even see the dual in front of the video card lol. Selective reading I guess.
#13 Aug 30 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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yeah their duel cards , plus there are stand spec build for alien ware !
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#14 Aug 30 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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IIIvirusIII wrote:
yeah their duel cards , plus there are stand spec build for alien ware !


For an extremely low budget Alienware build maybe. Fact of the matter is, the 5600 line is pretty bad, and for what you're getting, in my opinion you overpaid by a good chunk of change. Then again, it is an Alienware, of course you overpaid!

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 1:43pm by lolrockboy
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#15 Aug 30 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alienwares are the Macs of the PC world.

I hope Dell included a free tub of lube to help with that inflated price tag.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 2:04pm by Mikhalia
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#16 Aug 30 2010 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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IIIvirusIII wrote:
Hello , i played the last final fantasy online on Xbox for over 2 and abit years totally loved it , and when i heard this was coming out i decided to invest in a PC , which is arriving on wednesday now ive never built a computer so i thought i just buy one ready , so i went for this at £1,198.00 , do you think its going to be ok ? sorry im not a techy lol

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 920 2.66GHz (8MB Cache) Quad Core Processor
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5670 CrossfireX™ Enabled
MEMORY 6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
HARD DRIVE 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability


Sigh...why do folks continue to buy from Alienware?

I am at a loss as to why anyone would buy 2 mediocre cards for Crossfire rather than 1 good one. In order to upgrade you will have to ditch both cards and buy an extremely expensive single card to get a meaningful increase in performance.

You would have been much better off buying just one 5770. If you wanted better performnace you could have then bought one more 5770 and increased performance by ~75% for $150. With what you have now, you will have to buy either two 5770s for $300 or 1 very expensive 5850 or 5870. And that is assuming Dell didn't skimp on the PSU and you actually can upgrade your GPU(s).

You could have literally built a PC twice as good as that PC with twice the upgradability for the same price at a site like AVADirect or iBuyPower.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 2:26pm by Enscheff
#17 Aug 30 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Enscheff wrote:
IIIvirusIII wrote:
Hello , i played the last final fantasy online on Xbox for over 2 and abit years totally loved it , and when i heard this was coming out i decided to invest in a PC , which is arriving on wednesday now ive never built a computer so i thought i just buy one ready , so i went for this at £1,198.00 , do you think its going to be ok ? sorry im not a techy lol

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 920 2.66GHz (8MB Cache) Quad Core Processor
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5670 CrossfireX™ Enabled
MEMORY 6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
HARD DRIVE 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability


Sigh...why do folks continue to buy from Alienware?

I am at a loss as to why anyone would buy 2 mediocre cards for Crossfire rather than 1 good one. In order to upgrade you will have to ditch both cards and buy an extremely expensive single card to get a meaningful increase in performance.

You would have been much better off buying just one 5770. If you wanted better performnace you could have then bought one more 5770 and increased performance by ~75% for $150. With what you have now, you will have to buy either two 5770s for $300 or 1 very expensive 5850 or 5870. And that is assuming Dell didn't skimp on the PSU and you actually can upgrade your GPU(s).

You could have literally built a PC twice as good as that PC with twice the upgradability for the same price at a site like AVADirect or iBuyPower.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 2:26pm by Enscheff


Allegedly Alienwares have like 800-1000W PSUs in them. Don't know if they're a good brand like Antec or Coolermaster or if they're a ****** Sparkle or something, but there it is.

As for why people buy em? My guess would be a combination of "More dollars than sense", "They don't research anything before making a purchase", and "They hear Alienware is a great gaming computer so they assume they're getting what they pay for when they don't realize they're paying double for the brand name".
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#18 Aug 30 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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A little anti-Alenware rant, along with a point by point description of how much they overcharge by
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#19 Aug 30 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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ok then , what would have got for the sam money ? with a warranty ?
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#20 Aug 30 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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because , i admit i know nothing about pc gaming and yeah i saw alien ware and thought must be good , its not coming till wednesday so i can still cancell it .
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MY New Rig For FFXIV

Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two
Intel Core i7 950 (4 x 3.06GHz) 8 MB
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - Silent
Corsair 6GB Dominator GT CAS7 (3x2GB) 1600MHz
Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5850 VaporX - 2 GB - 2xDVI/HDMI/DP (Sapphire)
Asus P6X58D Premium
Corsair 850W
1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-III Western Digital- 64 MB - Caviar Black
Windows 7 64 bit
#21 Aug 30 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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ok then , what would have got for the sam money ? with a warranty ?


Just built the following PC in about 4 minutes at AVADirect for $1435:

COMPUCASE HEC 6C28B Black Mid-Tower Case, No PSU, ATX
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX TX Series Power Supply, 850W
ASUS P6T, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 12GB /6
INTEL Core™ i7-950 Quad-Core 3.06GHz, LGA1366
CRUCIAL 6GB (3 x 2GB) PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz CL9 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5850 725MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4000MHz
SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
LITE-ON iHAS124 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)

Better, cheaper and more upgradeable.
#22 Aug 30 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I bought one for my girlfriend for Christmas and I don't regret it one bit.

Nothing will beat the glow on her face the first time she hit the Alien button and the shield for the DVD/etc drive slowly rolled open - lights and all.

She still enjoys customizing it and tinkering with it nearly 8 months later.

It's a solid machine with some nice bells and whistles (which tend to mean more to the opposite *** sometimes) and it performs great.

Very upgradeable also - could easily toss 2 SLI cards in there when the times comes for an upgrade.

Even overclocking it I can barely get the temperature to go up with the liquid cooling too.

To each their own - but you don't see people who purchase Alienwares going around "O M G How DARE you MAKE YOUR own PC! All different parts!? You picked the case out YOURSELF and built it from SCRATCH? Did you walk TEN MILES to pick up the parts IN THE SNOW!?"

Some people don't like doing stuff like that. Let different people be different.

edit: spelling error.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 2:59pm by EmotionBlues
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Not familiar with UK customization sites so I'm going to work with a US one, although I assume the numbers should be pretty similar.

You said you paid £1,198.00, which is roughly $1853.55. So I'll do the same thing for you I did for the other guy. Mostly cause I like doing this sort of thing Smiley: smile

Working with ibuypower.com, which is a US site. I believe there were some links in that thread to EU sites that will allow you to customize a system, if not, you can Google them.

First, I'll copy you as best I can.

Alienware:
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 920 2.66GHz (8MB Cache) Quad Core Processor
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon™ HD 5670 CrossfireX™ Enabled
MEMORY 6GB Triple Channel 1333Mhz DDR3
HARD DRIVE 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Total: £1,198.00/$1853.55

Comparably specced system through ibuypower:
Gamer Paladin 845
CPU: i7-930 (920 isn't an option)
RAM: 6 GB DDR3 1333 Dual Channel
GPU: 5670 x2
PSU: 850W Thermaltake
HD: 500 GB 7200 RPM
Optical: 24X DVD burner
Total: $1181 (£763.31)

Comparably priced system through ibuypower (Similar price, better specs):
Upgrade CPU to i7-950
Upgrade RAM to 6 GB DDR3 1600
Upgrade Motherboard to ASUS P6X58D-E
Upgrade Video to Radeon 5970
Upgrade HD to 1 TB
Total: $1808 (£1168.56)
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#24 Aug 30 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks guys , but i cant find any where that will deliver in the uk . ? arhhh , wish i had research before just jumping in blind folded lol
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#25 Aug 30 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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EmotionBlues wrote:
Even overclocking it


...voids your warranty.

Alienwares can be specced okay; you're just paying 25-50% more than what the thing is actually worth. If I buy a car for $20,000 and you buy the EXACT SAME CAR for $30,000 with an Alien head logo on it, you got screwed.

Some people don't like spending way more than a product is worth. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then good for you. If you enjoy wasting several hundred dollars on an overpriced system when you could have gotten the exact same system for way less or a better system for the same price, then that's your decision.

With the economy the way it is nowadays, most people are trying to SAVE money, not waste it.
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#26 Aug 30 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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You're paying for bells, whistles and convenience - and a little brand name.

Yes you can build a PC on your own (and assemble it) for much cheaper - and it will likely be much better; but by NO means is the PC you listed a bad piece of equipment.

I don't know much about UK stuff either - so I can't really help. About three weeks until FFXIV - so you've got time.
#27 Aug 30 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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thanks guys , but i cant find any where that will deliver in the uk . ? arhhh , wish i had research before just jumping in blind folded lol


Try looking through that Dell thread I linked earlier; I think someone posted some UK sites in there but I could be mistaken. Could also try googling it as well. I'm sure there's gotta be sites similar to cyberpower and ibuypower and tigerdirect that are EU based and will allow you to configure a computer part by part at a hugely reduced rate.
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#28 Aug 30 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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A cursory google search shows:

http://www.arbico.co.uk/
http://www.wired2fire.co.uk/
http://www.computerplanet.co.uk/

I don't know what their prices or service like; I just googled "UK custom PC" and these came up.

Just like cars, shopping around and researching before you buy is the best way to get an affordable PC with quality performance and a good warranty. Look into their warranty information and service options and compare their prices before making a final decision. A hasty purchase is a poor purchase.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 3:12pm by Mikhalia
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#29 Aug 30 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Well to be fair - I never mentioned the warranty on the machine at all anywhere - I'm well aware of that or I probably would have mentioned it.

You have your opinion of 'waste' - it's a relative term. Waste to you - perhaps not to everyone else.
#30 Aug 30 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks guys , im going to cancel first thing in the morning , and build my own from the info you have gave me .
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Corsair 6GB Dominator GT CAS7 (3x2GB) 1600MHz
Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5850 VaporX - 2 GB - 2xDVI/HDMI/DP (Sapphire)
Asus P6X58D Premium
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1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-III Western Digital- 64 MB - Caviar Black
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#31 Aug 30 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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EmotionBlues wrote:
Well to be fair - I never mentioned the warranty on the machine at all anywhere - I'm well aware of that or I probably would have mentioned it.

You have your opinion of 'waste' - it's a relative term. Waste to you - perhaps not to everyone else.


Spending way way more money than you need to is a waste. This isn't a relative term. If I spend $20 on a meal and you spend $25-$30 on the exact same meal, did you not just waste $5-$10?

In what world do you live in that you feel that a 25-50% markup is not wasteful? I'll tell you what: How about you pay -me- $500 and I'll configure a system comparable to any Alienware you pick out. You'll spend the same amount of money and you'll get the same system.

I only wish I was rich enough that I could throw away several hundred dollars and defend it by saying that waste is a relative term.
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#32 Aug 30 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Good luck and let us know what you get. :)
#33 Aug 30 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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thanks guys , im going to cancel first thing in the morning , and build my own from the info you have gave me .


Awesome!

As someone who went from total computer noob to someone who built their own PC with the help of people here (in about 5 hours - plus the time it took to research my parts) I highly recommend the process. If you want a warranty on the total system the customizable choose your own bit websites seem to work as well.

If you listen to folks like Mikhalia on the parts etc. you will be in good shape.

{posted from my home-built gaming rig}

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and seriously for that kind of cash if you build yourself you will get a badass - highly powered monster.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:32pm by Olorinus
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#34 Aug 30 2010 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Buying it piece by piece is the cheapest route. Fully customizable websites are a little more pricey but come with an overall system warranty instead of warranties on each individual part, and arrive pre-assembled if you prefer that method.

Usually I suggest building it yourself but if you're just a total klutz or you feel like you'd rather have a system warranty then spending a little extra for a custom rig isn't a bad investment.

Spending way way way more for a retail rig from a major brand name is throwing away money though.

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Cost      Customization    Knowledge    Value    Method 
$         !!!!!            @@@@@        #####    Buy the parts individually and build it yourself. 
$$        !!!!             @@@@         #####    Custom configuration (ibuypower or cyberpower) 
$$$       !!!              @@@          ####     Pre-built non-name brands 
$$$$      !                @            #        Traditional retailers (Best Buy) and well-known PC Brands 
$$$$$     !!               @@           ##       High-end retailers (Apple, Alienware) 


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Edited, Aug 30th 2010 3:28pm by Mikhalia

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 3:29pm by Mikhalia
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#35 Aug 30 2010 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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You're calling it 'waste' because you consider it part for part - piece of hardware price compared to piece of hardware price.

You're not taking into consideration the individual element - the angle that it was a gift for someone very special who had always wanted something and that wish was fulfilled for them.

The base of my original post was not that the PC was a bargain - or superb value - the statement was made in the first sentence - I do not regret it and found it to be a good PC.

Rant all you want about it - make your baseless comments about my wealth - no matter what you have to say about it nothing about that purchase will ever be wasted to her - or me.

Especially when the reciever of the gift is still very happy.
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This is coming out at £1242.00 with a full 4 year warrnaty ? im i going over kill now ?lol
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#37 Aug 30 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two
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Memory Corsair 6GB (3x2GB) XMS3 1600MHz - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)
Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5850 VaporX - 2 GB - 2xDVI/HDMI/DP (Sapphire)
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Optical Drive #1 Samsung (S222A) DVD +/-RW 22x Dual Layer - Black (IDE)
Operating System #1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)

This is coming out at £1242.00 with a full 4 year warrnaty ? im i going over kill now ?lol


Now -that's- a system!
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IIIvirusIII wrote:
Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two
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CPU Heatsink Corsair Hydro Series H50 V2 (Advanced Liquid Cooling)
Memory Corsair 6GB (3x2GB) XMS3 1600MHz - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)
Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5850 VaporX - 2 GB - 2xDVI/HDMI/DP (Sapphire)
Motherboard Asus Rampage III Extreme ROG (Intel X58)
Sound Card Motherboard Integrated 7.1 Sound
Networking Motherboard Integrated Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready)
USB Ports 6 x USB 2.0 Ports & 2 x USB 3.0 Ports
Firewire Ports 1 Port Firewire IEEE 1394 (Built In)
Power Supply Cooler Master 1000W Pro Modular - Silent
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Hard Drive #1 1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-II HDD UDMA 300 7200 32MB
Optical Drive #1 Samsung (S222A) DVD +/-RW 22x Dual Layer - Black (IDE)
Operating System #1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)

This is coming out at £1242.00 with a full 4 year warrnaty ? im i going over kill now ?lol


Looking good. However I would say that a i7 930 (or 920) CPU would be fine. The 950 is a bit overkill.

Also I would leave out the water cooling and just select regular cooling, if that can save you a few £s.
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You're calling it 'waste' because you consider it part for part - piece of hardware price compared to piece of hardware price.

You're not taking into consideration the individual element - the angle that it was a gift for someone very special who had always wanted something and that wish was fulfilled for them.

The base of my original post was not that the PC was a bargain - or superb value - the statement was made in the first sentence - I do not regret it and found it to be a good PC.

Rant all you want about it - make your baseless comments about my wealth - no matter what you have to say about it nothing about that purchase will ever be wasted to her - or me.

Especially when the reciever of the gift is still very happy.


I still don't see how the fact that it was a gift or the fact that the receiver of the gift was happy negates the fact that you overpaid by a huge margin. Had you gotten the same computer for less money and still given it as a gift to the same person, I find it extremely unlikely that the person receiving the gift would have liked it less because you saved money. If nothing else, you could have still bought her a computer and used the extra money to take your girlfriend out to a nice dinner. Ten times.

I get that you're getting all defensive because you probably didn't realize you were paying way more than it's worth, and that you have emotional attachment to the thing because it was a gift, but you seem to be implying that the fact that it's a gift and the reaction from receiving it negates the overpayment.

If she's happy with it and you're happy with it, then that's great. You still paid way more than it's worth.
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#40 Aug 30 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Looking good. However I would say that a i7 930 (or 920) CPU would be fine. The 950 is a bit overkill.


Depends on the price jump IMO. If it's like £10-20 more for the 950 then I'd go for it. If we're talking like £50-100 then maybe it's worth downgrading.

When buying a new system, best bet is usually to spend a little more to get better parts because spending a little more now means it will be longer before you have to replace it.
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I got mine from the UK and shipped overseas from these guys...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/

They OC your system and give waranty for it.. you might like this one as part of your build

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-029-OB

But they have many others.

I shopped around for a decent system that fitted my budget and I wasnt disappointed with what they gave me. :)

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 8:00pm by EdyNOTB
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I never made the arguement that I paid more then it's worth - you did. I clearly stated that far above -please reread.

I have 0 emotional attachment to it - I view it in the same light that you do. It's overpriced - I have NEVER refuted that. Are you blind?

The difference is when you call it (or indirectly, me) wasteful for purchasing it. That's not the case at all. In fact it was a VERY smart purchase. 20% employee discount because of where I work (for an ISP) in addition to being able to open a Credit Line with Dell and pay nothing extra up front because it was paid off with $0.00 interest within 12mos. Now I have $3,500 available credit through Dell (which I'll never use but might get small stuff for easy credit boosts) and have boosted my credit - all for nothing up front.

-- I deleted back up to this point because my girlfriend walked in and said (in short), "If I wanted a ******* Alienware because it looks neat and has flashy ******* lights - then that's what I wanted and thanks for getting it."

Amen.
#43 Aug 30 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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EmotionBlues wrote:
I never made the arguement that I paid more then it's worth - you did. I clearly stated that far above -please reread.

I have 0 emotional attachment to it - I view it in the same light that you do. It's overpriced - I have NEVER refuted that. Are you blind?


You're just playing with semantics now. "Overpriced" and "paying more than it's worth" are synonymous.

EmotionBlues wrote:
The difference is when you call it (or indirectly, me) wasteful for purchasing it. That's not the case at all. In fact it was a VERY smart purchase. 20% employee discount because of where I work (for an ISP) in addition to being able to open a Credit Line with Dell and pay nothing extra up front because it was paid off with $0.00 interest within 12mos. Now I have $3,500 available credit through Dell (which I'll never use but might get small stuff for easy credit boosts) and have boosted my credit - all for nothing up front.

-- I deleted back up to this point because my girlfriend walked in and said (in short), "If I wanted a @#%^ing Alienware because it looks neat and has flashy @#%^ing lights - then that's what I wanted and thanks for getting it."

Amen.


You're still wasteful. 20% off is still not enough to negate the amount you overpaid for it, and I'm glad for you that you have such great credit, but you still wasted unnecessary money.

Plenty of cases "look neat and have flashy @#%^ing lights". You're just doing more to show that not only did you not research your purchase, but you didn't even provide your girlfriend with a choice of what her case would be. I mean, I'm glad that she likes the one that Alienware decided you should have, but there are plenty of other options that she didn't even get to look at. If your girlfriend is happy with the fact that you overpaid and didn't want her input, then I good for you, I guess?

If you have a girlfriend that expects you to buy her an overpriced computer and expects you to make her decisions for her, then I'm glad you're happy. I have a fiancee who picks out her own computer parts and spends a lot less money than you did, and is equally as happy as yours.

So yes, I stand by my fact that overpaying is wasteful and you admit that you are aware it is overpriced. Ergo, I say you are wasteful.

Capice?

*******, Alienware users are almost as bad as Mac users when it comes to their violent, vehement, adamant, stalwart defense of their overpriced pretty computers.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 4:19pm by Mikhalia
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There is little sense in arguing with someone that feels buying an Alienware PC is worth the cost. They will defend the purchase until they die because they need to justify getting ripped off. They can't very well admit to being naive enough to be scammed, now can they?

The same holds true for anyone that buys the "hyped" brand of anything, be it Under Armor clothing, Glock handguns, or Alienware gaming PCs. They always think they somehow bought something that is greater than the sum of its parts, so I usually just let them continue to delude themselves.

I only point out their folly in case they are like the OP and are willing to admit they didn't make the wisest decision and would like to avoid getting ripped off.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 4:23pm by Enscheff
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Enscheff wrote:
There is little sense in arguing with someone that feels buying an Alienware PC is worth the cost. They will defend the purchase until they die because they need to justify getting ripped off. They can't very well admit to being naive enough to be scammed, now can they?

The same holds true for anyone that buys the "hyped" brand of anything, be it Under Armor clothing, Glock handguns, or Alienware gaming PCs. They always think they somehow bought something that is greater than the sum of its parts, so I usually just let them continue to delude themselves.

I only point out their folly in case they are like the OP and are willing to admit they didn't make the wisest decision and would like to avoid getting ripped off.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 4:23pm by Enscheff


I don't disagree with this in the slightest.
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theys no need to argue , as pretty much every ones pointed out they seem to be a rip off and your just paying for the name . anyways as long as im ok to cancel through dell im going to order this tomorrow night . now as u said the 950 maybe a bit overkill but its only 43 pounds more ! and the liquid cooler is only 37 pounds more as well . so this delivered is £1400.00 which is abit more but it seems to be 10x better ? what do u think ?

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#47 Aug 30 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
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IIIvirusIII wrote:
now as u said the 950 maybe a bit overkill but its only 43 pounds more !


43 pounds? Nah man, those CPUs only way a few ounces.

I kid, I kid... system looks great.
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theys no need to argue , as pretty much every ones pointed out they seem to be a rip off and your just paying for the name . anyways as long as im ok to cancel through dell im going to order this tomorrow night . now as u said the 950 maybe a bit overkill but its only 43 pounds more ! and the liquid cooler is only 37 pounds more as well . so this delivered is £1400.00 which is abit more but it seems to be 10x better ? what do u think ?

Computer Case NZXT M59 Gaming Case
CPU Intel Core i7 950 (4 x 3.06GHz) 8 MB
CPU Heatsink Corsair Hydro Series H50 V2 (Advanced Liquid Cooling) - BEST SELLER
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Motherboard Asus Rampage III Extreme ROG (Intel X58)
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Firewire Ports 1 Port Firewire IEEE 1394 (Built In)
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Now THAT is a beast worthy of $1900 (or whatever 1400 squiggly L's equates to)!! You built a very strong rig that you can easily upgrade by sticking another 58XX series GPU into for an even beastlier (new word I just coined) rig.

The only small thing I would mention is that you likely don't need that liquid cooling. It is only needed if you plan on OCing your CPU a lot, otherwise it is really not needed.
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Thanks mate , i feel like a total idiot now buying that AlienWare **** , i cant believe how easy that was just to find what out the detail i needed to run a high end Pc . Thanks every one again
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I have never once stated that any brand name anything was better then hand picked parts.

And I even said Alienware is not in any way better then a home-made PC, either. In fact in one of my first replies I pointed out that you pay for bells, whistles - and brand name.

I will respectfully agree to disagree on what someone thinks is wasteful or not wasteful - but you're lumping me into a general population of people who purchase Alienwares for their own use/play and defend them until the grave.

I never defended Alienware - and once again I state - I only stood ground on the fact that Bold TextI PERSONALLY DID NOT FIND THE PURCHASE WASTEFULBold Text; I realize that my personal opinion is so outlandish and offensive that it causes everyone else to take a stance against it, apologies.

You can make comparison about your fiance, etc - whatever. Someone wanted something specific - and it was purchased as a Christmas gift. Parties involved were well aware of all the options - even presented the choice of building a PC from scratch that would perform better and someone would assemble (I'm comfortable changing cards, power supplies, RAM, etc.. but not complete assembly) it for us who we live with - and a choice was made. I view it as well worth it - others will not.

I'm not forcing my point of view on anyone at all - just offering my opinion on something. My most sincere apologies.

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Thanks mate , i feel like a total idiot now buying that AlienWare sh*t , i cant believe how easy that was just to find what out the detail i needed to run a high end Pc . Thanks every one again


Imagine how good you will feel when YOU bring this beast to life. Nothing beats making something with your own two hands.
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