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#1 Aug 31 2010 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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I use bittorrent to update my client.
Have done since the Closed Alph.
Will do until the official client works properly.

Why does FFXIVs torrent program suck?

2 Reasons

Reason 1: When the file is completed downloading, it is deleted, presumably to save HDD room. When people wish to download the torrent, if they were, say a few days behind, their only option is to used the limited number of official download servers because the file just isn't stored anywhere else.

Reason 2: P2P from an ISP instantly makes them think illegal files and excessive downloading. HUNDEREDS of ISPs severely cripple upload/download ratios. In most cases, when the upload hits 10kbps+ The download will plummet to 1kbps. With no official option to turn P2P mode off, this leaves people with said ISPs SoL. Why? Because SE's direct download servers are **** poor.

Why do people opt to use Bittorrent/uTorrent instead?

Felixibility - Torrent programs offer options to limit upload speeds. You can download at mega fast speeds by limiting what people can take from you. When you're done, you can seed the program for others. In fact most of them have timers built in to automatilicaly bump up your upload speed say in the middle of the night.

Seeding - Unlike SE's client, the file will be stored locally ready for downloading by anyone around. If anything you're helping the community.

Safety - It's a well known FACT torrents are safe when you can trust the source. Using SE's official file is no safer than torrenting programs. Torrents come with unique keys, and if even the smallest detail doesn't match up, the download fails.

Safely Sourced - The initial file creates a torrent file. It's not some random file we find ojn the internet, it's something SE officially give us.

Sanctioned? - From day one the Alpha forums were buzzing with guides on torrenting, SE has said nothing on the matter EVER. It causes no detrimental effect to SE, and for many was a saving grace.

#2 Aug 31 2010 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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Didn't some guy get banned from the beta for bragging on the beta forums that he used utorrent to download the beta in the first place?
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#3 Aug 31 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Didn't some guy get banned from the beta for bragging on the beta forums that he used utorrent to download the beta in the first place?

I heard about that, but never saw any proof of it. For the larger patch files, I've always used uTorrent and never had any problems.

#4 Aug 31 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget to mention that you can set your upload speed so you don't lag everyone around you.
#5 Aug 31 2010 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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Ralrra wrote:
Didn't some guy get banned from the beta for bragging on the beta forums that he used utorrent to download the beta in the first place?

I believe that guy was banned more for breaking the NDA at that point rather than for the torrenting. The posts on the Beta Forums explaining how to use uTorrent vs the official downloader weren't being removed at that point. Not sure if they are still there or not.
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#6 Aug 31 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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i heard that there was suppose to be a torrent that comes with the patcher?
Never found it though in the files. How do u torrent the client to update?
#7 Aug 31 2010 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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Ralrra wrote:
Didn't some guy get banned from the beta for bragging on the beta forums that he used utorrent to download the beta in the first place?

It was some stupid troll like frebaut or something...probably got banned for being stupid and just blamed it on the torrent.
#8 Aug 31 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Good
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My question is, if SE made it that it uses your own paid bandwidth to distribute their game files to other players would you be happy? I am pretty sure some gamers just doesn't want any commercial company using their personal bandwidth.

Now let's think about those people who are into capped bandwidth, would they be happy that a few thousand gamers would use up their allotted bandwidth?

Now I don't know all the p2p technologies and file transfer technologies around, but I think this is a sound business decision to cover their asses should anything bad happen.

By forcing players to download from their server alone, they close the possibility that somebody may sue them because a mirror copy on another machine infected a user's system.

And just because SE did not say anything, doesn't mean it is sanctioned. This is one of those business decisions that if it doesn't hurt the company then don't do something, but don't endorse it as well.

Some business decisions are really irritating sometimes to use consumers, but when you really think about the business side and legal side of things and other things that may come out of it, you realize that it just makes sense.
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#9 Aug 31 2010 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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My ONLY qualm with S-E's setup using the torrents is that I can't limit my upload bandwidth. I really don't like the idea of not having control over how much upload bandwidth I use. It pretty much turns my entire network into a seedbox where I can't watch stuff online or do anything else. So I can understand why some people like to use utorrent or any other torrent specific program since you can limit connections/bandwidth usage. Plus, I have an extremely touchy DSL connection, so when I start capping out my upstream then I start having issues.

*edit* If they are going to use the p2p type systems, then they shouldn't auto delete patch files once they are installed. I, personally, wouldn't mind having the patch files sit there permanently and maybe run a background application that lets me help distribute patch files. It'd lighten s-e's server load, and it'd allow for faster download speeds.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 6:41pm by WileyJT
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#10 Aug 31 2010 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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