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#1 Aug 31 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I did post this in the computer building sticky yesterday.

The question I have is about RAM settings. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Currently my system is defaulting my Ram to 1066MHz when it's capable of 1333MHz.

Motherboard:: DP45SG Extreme
http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/dp45sg/dp45sg-overview.htm
RAM:: DDR3 OCZ 1333MHz
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3246375&CatId=4523


What my system defaults my Ram at::
|1333
Memory Freq = 1066|1066
|800
|Default
Reference Freq = Default|333
|266
tCL = 8
tRCD = 8
tRP = 8
tRASmin = 20
tWR = 8
tRFC = 48
tWTR = 4
tRRD = 4
tRTP = 4
Memory Voltage = Default

I tried settings I saw through google search but with no avail. Maybe I was missing an extra step or 2, as after changing the settings, I was unable to Boot pass the BIOS unless I set them back to 1066.
I am sure if I can get the RAM set to 1333 where it's suppose to be, I would get maybe get a slight increase on the bench.

When I did try other settings, nothing I found mentioned the Reference Frequency, or Memory Voltage, so they are set to default. do I need to adjust those and to what preferred setting?

And I do not have any OCing expirience.
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#2 Aug 31 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If you wont OC, then the Mhz wont do squat on ur bench. Too tierd to do the math here, right now. :)
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#3 Aug 31 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I couldn't help you with the technical aspect as to why you cant increase it and boot past BIOS, but I'm pretty confident boosting from the 1066 to 1333 is going to cause an extremely insignificant increase in the bench. I would be astonished if it increased it by as much as 50~100 points.
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#4 Aug 31 2010 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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I couldn't help you with the technical aspect as to why you cant increase it and boot past BIOS, but I'm pretty confident boosting from the 1066 to 1333 is going to cause an extremely insignificant increase in the bench. I would be astonished if it increased it by as much as 50~100 points.


You'd be surprised what a few hundred Mhz can do to speed up a system.

If you can't up the frequency, you can always try tightening the timings.

However, in this case I think I can help:

Quote:
Memory CAS Latency: 9-9-9-26


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tCL = 8
tRCD = 8
tRP = 8
tRASmin = 20


I suggest moving those to 9-9-9-26 and try booting @ 1333.

Honestly though, it may be a toss up between tighter timings and higher Frequency. You'll have to play with it to figure out which is best.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 7:54pm by seneleron
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If you wont OC, then the Mhz wont do squat on ur bench. Too tierd to do the math here, right now. :)


I never said I won't OC, I said I have no experience with OCing, and with it at 1066 when it's capable of 1333, then it's underclocking.

Also, I'm not expecting to jump 100s of points on the bench, I would just feel comfortable with everything being where it's suppose to be, even if the increase on the bench is minimal.
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#6 Aug 31 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Timing on a car, I can do, but when it's a computer, it's Greek to me lol. I'll give those numbers a try though. brb
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#7 Aug 31 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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What is the stock memory speed of the CPU?


EDIT: Bleh OCZ RAM, they program their spd for 1066 by default because their memory will sometimes refuse to boot in certain MBs at 1333 or higher without changing the latencies. This is why I always recommend against OCZ memory.

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You'd be surprised what a few hundred Mhz can do to speed up a system.


Intel CPUs really don't get much out of increasing the memory speed beyond stock speeds. On my 860 increasing the memory from 1333 to 1600 (the memory is rated at 1600) only nets a 1% speed increase on every benchmark I ran on it except the memory benchmark. OCing your memory beyond stock speeds doesn't really get you an increase in real world performance on Intel CPUs.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 9:08pm by Lobivopis
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Demonadrastos wrote:
I never said I won't OC, I said I have no experience with OCing, and with it at 1066 when it's capable of 1333, then it's underclocking.

Actually, it's not. The default clocks are whatever the SPD is. Any higher is overclocking.
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Dunno what your chip is, but if you're using an i7, you can only use up to 1066. If you want to overclock and increase your bclk, you will be able to go to 1333.
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#10 Aug 31 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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EDIT: Bleh OCZ RAM, they program their spd for 1066 by default because their memory will sometimes refuse to boot in certain MBs at 1333 or higher without changing the latencies. This is why I always recommend against OCZ memory.


It could be the way the motherboard detects them. my OCZ is rated 9-9-9-30 @ 2000, and the mobo "auto" set them to 11-11-11-48. . @ 1066.

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Timing on a car, I can do, but when it's a computer, it's Greek to me lol. I'll give those numbers a try though. brb


Best I can do, those were the rated timings on the page you linked for the ram.
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Oenos wrote:
Dunno what your chip is, but if you're using an i7, you can only use up to 1066. If you want to overclock and increase your bclk, you will be able to go to 1333.


1155/1156 has a stock speed on 1333 actually.

1356 = 1066 triple channel

1155/6 = 1333 dual channel.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#12 Aug 31 2010 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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seneleron wrote:


It could be the way the motherboard detects them. my OCZ is rated 9-9-9-30 @ 2000, and the mobo "auto" set them to 11-11-11-48. . @ 1066.



OCZ always programs their spd to 1066


This is why I always tell people to send back the OCZ and get some Kingston or Gskill that has an XMP profile programmed in to it. That way you just tell your MB to use XMP and forget about it.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 9:14pm by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#13 Aug 31 2010 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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You're right, meant i7 9xx. I keep forgetting there are other i7's that aren't 9xx.
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#14 Aug 31 2010 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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I never said I won't OC, I said I have no experience with OCing, and with it at 1066 when it's capable of 1333, then it's underclocking.

Actually, it's not. The default clocks are whatever the SPD is. Any higher is overclocking.


I thought with memory it was called "downclocking"

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http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266108-30-1066-1600
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#16 Aug 31 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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will the voltage or frequency make any difference as those are set to default.
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Depending on your BIOS you gotta change the DRAM ratio or change the RAM frequency to match what you have, you should also change the timings to match what you have, in other words, rtfm.
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My ram was @ 1066 when I first installed it. Went in to BIOS changed it to 1600 and viola! EVGA mobos are awesome :)
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#19 Sep 01 2010 at 5:22 AM Rating: Decent
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seneleron wrote:

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Memory CAS Latency: 9-9-9-26


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tCL = 8
tRCD = 8
tRP = 8
tRASmin = 20


I suggest moving those to 9-9-9-26 and try booting @ 1333.

Honestly though, it may be a toss up between tighter timings and higher Frequency. You'll have to play with it to figure out which is best.


That's right. Increasing the timings could help stabilize higher frequency. And especially in this case, since the factory timings are 9-9-9-26 anyway, changing them from 8-8-8-20 should be absolutely doable with no drawbacks.

Btw, seneleron, doesn't the term "tightening" the timings mean lowering them and not increasing them?
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#20 Sep 01 2010 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Well... don't know who's throwing you the wrong specs:

The ram is actually PC3 10666 (haha)
CL 9-9-9-20 @ 1.7v - manually adjust on that board


Otherwise, I had that same ram, used in the same mobo.
Can tell you personally the the DP45SG is a complete ***** about it's ram configurations.
A lot won't work, you'll have boot problems, some other ram will end up having incorrect timing/speeds due to it's compatibility, and you may get lucky and get the right ram for the mobo.

I ended up having to switch to PNY.. of course that was before i broke off a couple cpu pins. ;p

google search the board + ram issues and you'll see a lot of info.
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