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#1 Sep 01 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey all, I am currently shopping to build my first rig. My budget is 2k and i already own a keyboard, mouse, and monitor, this is what Im thinking about getting so far: ( my question are: are these smart picks lol ? what should be upgraded/changed, and finally what hardware/ cables/ tools do i need other than I listed for the build?) THANK YOU SO
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COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811119138
$169.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152185
$74.99


GIGABYTE GV-R597D5-2GD-B Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ...
Item #: N82E16814125303
$699.99

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
Item #: N82E16829102012
$34.99

COOLMAX ZP-850B 850W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI / CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC and Compatible ...
Item #: N82E16817159115

$139.99

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound
$9.98

CABLES UNLIMITED ACC-1400 Anti Static Wrist Strap With Grounding Wire
$8.99

G.SKILL ECO 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7Q-8GBECO
Item #: N82E16820231330
$214.99

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard w/ USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s
Item #: N82E16813128409
$184.99

Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I7870
Item #: N82E16819115213
$289.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full
Item #: N82E16832116716
$180.93

2x Scythe SY1225SL12M 120mm "Slipstream" Case Fan
Item #: N82E16835185058
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($8.99 each)

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ...
Item #: N82E16835103065
$49.99

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136181
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#2 Sep 01 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
cables should come with your general stuff (MOBO/PSU). Tools make sure to have a phillips screwdriver... I tried at first to put mine together with the screwdriver on my pocketknife... that didn't work so well. Use a real screwdriver. I didn't need anything else.

Edited, Sep 1st 2010 9:47am by Olorinus
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#3 Sep 01 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
I would say if you are spending 2K anyway I would get a solid state drive for OS and select games *cough cough FFXIV* and a normal spin drive for general crap... For me everything on Windows experience index is above 7 except my (spin) hardrive which is like 5.3 ... so it brings my score down.

I don't really know though.

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#4 Sep 01 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
also I didn't need the thermal paste (that was preapplied on the cpu cooler)... though if you are doing aftermarket cooling maybe you need that... (I am a noob so I can't help you with that stuff) I also didn't buy a static strap (though that could be nice and eliminate some stress) - just saying you can get away not bothering with that

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Edited, Sep 1st 2010 9:47am by Olorinus
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#5 Sep 01 2010 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you want a full tower, consider the Haf X

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225&cm_re=haf_x-_-11-119-225-_-Product

With that budget, consider this for faster boot/app start times

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167027&cm_re=intel_ssd-_-20-167-027-_-Product

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Make sure your monitor is 1080p, or else your 5970 is overkill

Unless you are an extreme audiophile with a home theatre sound system connected to your PC, you don't need a sound card, try the on board sound first.

An anti-static wrist strap is not necessary if you continue to every 5 minutes or so touch the metal case or other ground. (Also don't wear shoes or socks, and assemble on a kitchen table)

Anyway, if I were you, I'd get a 5870 and try an SSD instead.

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As an addition to O's comments, I use solid state only and my WEI for Hard Drive was 7.8. Dunno if that matters to you.

The Hyper 212 already comes with thermal paste. I honestly don't know what benefit the Arctic will provide really.



Edited, Sep 1st 2010 12:50pm by Oenos
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Yeah get a SSD for OS and games, also I would buy a Socket 1366 motherboard (x58 chipset) with tripple channel memory support and a socket 1366 i7 proc. Then place 3x 2gb or 3x 4gb mem in it.
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#7 Sep 01 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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you might want to add in some soundproofing element. I got my computer without the soundproofing and it is silent for normal tasks, but the GPU is rather noisy for FFXIV. I have the 5870 2gb so I'm guessing the 5970 will be just as loud or slightly louder.
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its pretty decent and you're getting a bargain on the bluray burner, but I think that you should buy a better sound card because creative sound's drivers arent all that great for 64bit yet (i assume you're wanting 64bit eheh)

and as already stated, you shouldnt need to buy cables, though from experience an extension or splitter for the sata-power is sometimes handy. does the case have fans or cooling system already in it maybe cause they're often the better deal if they do.
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#9 Sep 01 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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Then place 3x 2gb or 3x 4gb mem in it.


3x4gb is massive overkill. Unless you are planning on running FFXIV while having photoshop and Flash open and also rendering a 3d animation, you really will never need that much RAM. I'd stick w/ 3x2 but grab the 1600 mhz since it is almost identically priced to the 1333.
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i actually disagree with Bartel (sorry) and think that 6GB is only just-enough in a mordern computer so to do your machine justice I would recommend AT LEAST 8GB. FFXIV isnt so hungry on computing power so this entire machine is overkill for that but to keep all the specs at roughly the same level and to play other games or render 3D animation.. definately 8 or more
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Small piece of advice, The difference between the audigy and the X-fi are nigh and day. If you at ALL appreciate high quality sound, get the X-fi. Fatal1ty reccomended, but extreme audio/gamer will work as well.
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just wanna let you know i have a cooler master that was supposed to be quiet and its crazy loud compared to my old computer which was some kind of wave tower. Mind you its twice as big and the stuff inside was like $3000+, but still. If you're going to be leaving it on in your room @ night it might be a bit noisy (im guessing the fan).
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Reebie wrote:

i actually disagree with Bartel (sorry) and think that 6GB is only just-enough in a mordern computer so to do your machine justice I would recommend AT LEAST 8GB. FFXIV isnt so hungry on computing power so this entire machine is overkill for that but to keep all the specs at roughly the same level and to play other games or render 3D animation.. definately 8 or more


Just for reference, my computer has 6gb of DDR3 1600 MHz RAM. With FFXIV open, I was still able to open and use Photoshop(multiple files), Firefox, AIM, Fraps, and Vent with absolutely no slowdown whatsoever. Trust me, 6gb is enough. 8gb is fine also if you have enough ports or can get the 2x4gb sticks for a decent price, but it is absolutely not necessary in the slightest.
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#15 Sep 01 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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6gb is fine imo, but if you want to blow your wad and get more, that's fine too.
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Wow 2k without kb, mouse and monitor?? I believe I paid around $1500 if those 3 were not included. This build is good for 5200 on the benchmark after a few tweaks. For that money you are definitely going to want an SSD for XIV. Without question buy an i7 930. HAF full tower case is your friend and for the absolute easiest OCing, I cant recommend enough the ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard.

To me the sound quality of that mobo is more than great. Its hard for me to justify and extra $500++ easy on cards and speakers unless you are a professional of some kind or just really have to have the absolute best of everything. It just seems silly to crank money into the sound before you have everything else A+. Too each his own though. You will be fine on that budget whatever you choose
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I have the P6X58D as well and I was a noob OC'er and it was so easy.
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just wanna let you know i have a cooler master that was supposed to be quiet and its crazy loud


Funny I heard this a lot but bought one anyway and I can barely hear it. Do you have the GX?

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#19 Sep 01 2010 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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TBH, I would stay away from the 5970. For the price, it just isn't worth it. I just build a system a week ago with a Sapphire 5970... the thing is hot, really really hot even though it's in the same case you have. People say that you can OC the card to 5870 speeds, but with stock cooling, I don't see how it's possible without cooking the card. Now if you upgraded the cooling on the card (waterblock, new air cooling) it would raise the price quite a bit, to the point where it'd be better to run xfire 5870s. If I were you, I'd go for a 5870. Other than that the build looks good, sometimes I wish I would have gone intel.
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Thanks for all the help guys!
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I strongly encourage the Windows7 64-bit ultimate over premium myself, but that is just personal preference.

It comes with less "clutter".
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I would suggest get a better processor and degrade to a Radeon 5870, the 5970 wont be that big a boost if any for FFXIV and by the time any games really utilize it it would've dropped in price, just my opinion.

Also, if you want a good, hi-tower and very quiet case i would recommend the HAF case (Cooler Master HAF 922M ATX Black Mid-Tower Case - 5 External 5.25" Drive Bays, 5 Internal 3.5" Drive Bays, 2 200mm Fans, 1 120mm Fan) Link: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4631382&Sku=C283-1223

I think it recently went down in price too, i bought it a few weeks ago for $140. Anyway i can really vouch for this one, great case, lots of room on the inside, easy cable management and i can barely hear the fans running on it.

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Quick question, should i get a 550 W or 600W psu instead?
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If you're not running Xfire, a 550W would suffice but if the price difference is small and the 600W is a good brand i would go with that one...just don't settle for a cheap PSU, its not worth the hassle. 600W would be good if you're planning on running two 5870s or *gasp* 5890s in xfire sometime in the future .

Nevermind, someone else explains why below.

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SolidMack wrote:
If you're not running Xfire, a 550W would suffice but if the price difference is small and the 600W is a good brand i would go with that one...just don't settle for a cheap PSU, its not worth the hassle. 600W would be good if you're planning on running two 5870s or *gasp* 5890s in xfire sometime in the future .


Please, don't listen to this. Check this link out:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/1/3/224247/original/Power%20Consumption.png

As you can see, even idle with 2 5870s in CF, they use 166w, and at load almost 600! Save yourself the future trouble and pick up at least an 850w corsair PSU.
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get an 850 corsair and save future headaches. or and corsair north of 850
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Awesome, I think Im just about ready to press the checkout button, you guys ROCK! Much thanks!
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oh I almost forgot, do i need two 5870 or would I be alright with just one for now?
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Depends how much money you want to spend my friend. But I'll say this, I have 2 of them in crossfire and they are pretty **** nice, in crossfire capable things obviously. I'm not sure beta/retail are crossfire ready yet (will find out tonight on beta, first time playing) but brings huge boosts to FPS in the forced full screen benchmark. Your call if its worth the extra money though!
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Thanks for correcting me, I was basing my comment off of what I've been told.
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#33 Sep 01 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah i was thinking ill just wait and see... thanks again everyone, cant wait til the end of the month !
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okay last last question lol could i scratch the extra fans and cooling for the cpu? My brother said that the case should come with fans and should cool it enough? thanks
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Buy extra fans if you don't think the stock fans will be enough. Stock fans will probably be enough if you don't plan to overclock. If you OC, the cooler the better, I'd get Noctua.
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Oenos wrote:
Buy extra fans if you don't think the stock fans will be enough. Stock fans will probably be enough if you don't plan to overclock. If you OC, the cooler the better, I'd get Noctua.


The stocks fans won't be enough. Granted my buddies rig runs fairly cool excluding the GPU, he's going to need better fans if he ever needs to OC.
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That's the 1.35v stuff right? Good memory for Lynfield. One caveat about using 8GBs is that you sometimes have to bump up the DRAM voltage a bit. On my MB I had to increase it to 1.4v because I would have occasional BSODs. (with 4 GB it would run at 1.35v just fine though). Bumping it up slightly won't hurt it, it can technically run at up to 1.6v (though with Lynfield it's best if you keep the DRAM voltage at 1.55 or less)

Many 1156 MB BIOSs default to 1.6v which I find annoying as this is technically on the edge of Intel's specifications for Lynfield DRAM voltage.





FYI the difference between a Lynfield and an equivalent clock Bloomfield if you don't need SLI/Crossfire is basically none. They benchmark exactly the same.

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Antec 1200 for a case, TRUST ME - even my old professor uses them for building his supercomputers
Corsair 850 PSU like people have said is a **** fine choice
6GB is fine if its triple channel and 1600. Otherwise I'd go with 8GB+.

Good choice on the arctic cooling, it will make a difference if done correctly.
If I were you, I'd go cheaper on the video card and more expensive on the processor. Video cards seem to get older quicker than processors do, and I heard something about the 6000s series recently so I'm probably going to wait for those as well before upgrading my 4870. Look below for my reasoning
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This is what I'm getting, need to add some type of heatsink or CPU cooling device ( what should I get? ) Do you still think i should upgrade my Mobo to 8GB and my processor to i7-930? Thanks for the advice guys:)


CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full

COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I7870

Kingston SSDNow V Series SNV425-S2BD/128GB 2.5" Desktop Bundle 128GB SATA II Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

G.SKILL ECO 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7Q-8GBECO

ASUS ROG MATRIX 5870 P/2DIS/2GD5 Radeon HD 5870 Platinum 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard w/ USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s
#41 Sep 03 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like your build is solid, upgrade to 930 if you have the extra money, if not don't worry about it. I like the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ HSF.

I OC'd my 930 to 3.5 and it hits 66C full load on Prime 95. There is only one fan on my Hyper 212, and I'm planning on adding a 2nd so it's push/pull.

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GREAT! also, do i need some sort of standoffs or platform for my mobo so its not touchin the case? or will it come wth everything i need?
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Good modern cases will come with standoffs.
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Looks like your build is solid, upgrade to 930 if you have the extra money, if not don't worry about it. I like the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ HSF.

I OC'd my 930 to 3.5 and it hits 66C full load on Prime 95. There is only one fan on my Hyper 212, and I'm planning on adding a 2nd so it's push/pull.

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The i7 950 is now only $10 more than the 930, so If you might as well go for the 950 if you want to upgrade the CPU.
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Swwwwwwwwwwwweeeeet Im all set, thank you thank you thank you! Ill take a pic when im all done and post it, again THANK YOU!
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If you're getting an SSD, make sure to enable ACHI for your drive in the BIOS before you install Win 7 to make sure TRIM is on.

Also, DISABLE scheduled defrag for the SSD. Recommended you disable indexing of drive too.
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roger roger, Ill keep that in mind when I build on Tuesday now ( gotta wait for heatsink to get here ) thanks
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okay so i need some help, I built the computer ( Im pretty sure everything is done right ) when I plugged in my PSU and flicked the switch nothing happen, no fans, no lights, nothing.... I have NO idea how this thing isnt receiving any power from my PSu... any ideas?
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NEVERMIND got it workin! now enjoying loud annoying beeps!
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Dude seriously consider this build.

I7 950 £218
Gigabyte X58 UDR3 £150
GTX 460 SLI £320
Corsair XMS3 Ram 6gb £130
Corsair HX 850 PSU £150
Lian Li Full tower £150-£200
Corsair H70 Water cooler £100

Either 2x Velociraptor 150gb Raid 0 £200

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Any SSD thats next generation


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