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#1 Sep 02 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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When I am playing FFXIV I get a good amount of lag. I have a feeling it is due to my internet speed rather than SE server issues. As a reference, what speed is everyone playing with and do you receive much ISP side lag?

Use http://www.speedtest.net/ or http://2wire.com/bandwidth/

(It should be noted I am not referring to Open Beta which I am sure is full of lag due to overloaded servers. I am referring to Closed Beta Phase 3)

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 3:52pm by Raionn
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#2 Sep 02 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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i believe its server side, i have 12mb/s down and 4 up internet speed.... and i get some ui lag...
#3 Sep 02 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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You could be on **** near dial up, as long as the connection on your side is good without packet loss, it can handle it. MMO's typically don't use alot of bandwidth. So DSL at 768k/128k could handle it, as long as it doesn't have issues.
#4 Sep 02 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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So my speed being at 1.5 Mbps is not an issue? I was thinking about upgrading to 12 Mbps.
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#5 Sep 02 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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As long as the connection is fast enough to support the small amount of data mmos use, it's enough. Most i've seen an mmo use is around 100kbp/s. 1.5 Mbp/s DSL is many times faster. Now if you have packet loss, then that can cause problems. You can go to www.pingtest.net and pick a server to test for that. Also remember the servers are in Japan, so there's a higher latency due to distance.
#6 Sep 02 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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The servers are hosted in Japan, there's your, mine, and everyone elses lag problem.

One of the reasons I am not enjoying FFXIV.

And yes, I played FFXI.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 7:03pm by DAOWAce
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#7 Sep 02 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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DAOWAce wrote:
The servers are hosted in Japan, there's your, mine, and everyone elses lag problem.

One of the reasons I am not enjoying FFXIV.


Wow. You do know that Final Fantasy XI's servers are all hosted in Japan right? There was no lag on that game. The Open Beta servers are not hooked up to a maximum bandwith connection. What company would waste their money doing that for a Beta. None, you are exactly right.

So many complaints on these forums as of late yet people really don't understand what a Beta is and how it works. Nothing is 100%. Everyone keeps saying this is like a 95% retail finished product. Wrong. Too much ignorance. I honestly hope a lot of people quit out of frustration over Beta. Less retards to play with. Sorry for trolling but that's how I feel.
#8 Sep 02 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Excenmille wrote:
DAOWAce wrote:
The servers are hosted in Japan, there's your, mine, and everyone elses lag problem.

One of the reasons I am not enjoying FFXIV.


Wow. You do know that Final Fantasy XI's servers are all hosted in Japan right? There was no lag on that game. The Open Beta servers are not hooked up to a maximum bandwith connection. What company would waste their money doing that for a Beta. None, you are exactly right.

So many complaints on these forums as of late yet people really don't understand what a Beta is and how it works. Nothing is 100%. Everyone keeps saying this is like a 95% retail finished product. Wrong. Too much ignorance. I honestly hope a lot of people quit out of frustration over Beta. Less retards to play with. Sorry for trolling but that's how I feel.


Not everyone, but many people, including me, can tell the difference between sub 100 ping times and over 200 ping times. So in the end, say they get rid of all the other performance issues with the servers for live, but the servers stay in Japan. I will feel the "lag" due to distance, but I will still play. Well, that is assuming they can clear up enough issues I have right now.
#9 Sep 02 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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so today i lost internet... as in my neighbor wised up and put a password on it.

i have an iphone in a pretty craptastic area (i used to live in a metro area with 3g) and at my house it's like 2-3 bars of 2G net.

i can play FFXIV over it with tethering.. it's yellow most of the time but ****, still playable.

dsl guys will be out soon, but i'm amazed that SE got the client/server to transmit such little data.
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#10 Sep 02 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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Excenmille wrote:
Wow. You do know that Final Fantasy XI's servers are all hosted in Japan right? There was no lag on that game. The Open Beta servers are not hooked up to a maximum bandwith connection. What company would waste their money doing that for a Beta. None, you are exactly right.

So many complaints on these forums as of late yet people really don't understand what a Beta is and how it works. Nothing is 100%. Everyone keeps saying this is like a 95% retail finished product. Wrong. Too much ignorance. I honestly hope a lot of people quit out of frustration over Beta. Less retards to play with. Sorry for trolling but that's how I feel.


And we were mostly on dial up back when FFXI was released, that's why there was no apparent lag, because we were all used to it.

Now, after being on a high speed low latency broadband connection for the last 5 years of my life, the lag in FFXIV is EXTREMELY potent. I have to doubt your words of a 'maximum bandwidth connection'. I cannot believe it until I see it. I have played multiple foreign games and they all have the latency of FFXIV. If Square can create that magical latency cure you mention, then ****, I may just turn religious.


Did you play FFXI? Did you see how everyone from Japan had an advantage over us North American people? Did you ever camp NMs and see the Japanese players tag them before they even appeared on your screen?

I'll admit I completely forgot about the global Japan hosted server that FFXI had because I haven't played it since 2005. I assumed FFXIV would be region split, but had to be shown the reality that it was the same as FFXI 8 years ago, Japan hosted global servers.

I'm used to low latency, I cannot stand having my actions take an upwards of 4 seconds to go off, being hit miles away by enemies, knowing people in another country have a huge advantage to us, etc. There is no enjoyment in fighting with the game and that's all I seem to be doing.

I loved FFXI, but it seems FFXIV is not going to be for me. Too many problems which aren't going to be resolved at release, and one that's never going to be resolved.
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#11 Sep 02 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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MMOs traditionally use minimal amounts of data, latency is more important.
#12 Sep 02 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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DAOWAce wrote:
Excenmille wrote:
Wow. You do know that Final Fantasy XI's servers are all hosted in Japan right? There was no lag on that game. The Open Beta servers are not hooked up to a maximum bandwith connection. What company would waste their money doing that for a Beta. None, you are exactly right.

So many complaints on these forums as of late yet people really don't understand what a Beta is and how it works. Nothing is 100%. Everyone keeps saying this is like a 95% retail finished product. Wrong. Too much ignorance. I honestly hope a lot of people quit out of frustration over Beta. Less retards to play with. Sorry for trolling but that's how I feel.


And we were mostly on dial up back when FFXI was released, that's why there was no apparent lag, because we were all used to it.

Now, after being on a high speed low latency broadband connection for the last 5 years of my life, the lag in FFXIV is EXTREMELY potent. I have to doubt your words of a 'maximum bandwidth connection'. I cannot believe it until I see it. I have played multiple foreign games and they all have the latency of FFXIV. If Square can create that magical latency cure you mention, then ****, I may just turn religious.


Did you play FFXI? Did you see how everyone from Japan had an advantage over us North American people? Did you ever camp NMs and see the Japanese players tag them before they even appeared on your screen?

I'll admit I completely forgot about the global Japan hosted server that FFXI had because I haven't played it since 2005. I assumed FFXIV would be region split, but had to be shown the reality that it was the same as FFXI 8 years ago, Japan hosted global servers.

I'm used to low latency, I cannot stand having my actions take an upwards of 4 seconds to go off, being hit miles away by enemies, knowing people in another country have a huge advantage to us, etc. There is no enjoyment in fighting with the game and that's all I seem to be doing.

I loved FFXI, but it seems FFXIV is not going to be for me. Too many problems which aren't going to be resolved at release, and one that's never going to be resolved.


The servers are hosted in Japan, but they're not global, each region has it's own set. But still, all in Japan.
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Yea, I'm frankly disappointed if there aren't going to be region separated servers on release.

I don't even have the time or inclination to be hardcore enough to even camp NM's (I feel sorry for those that do though). I'd just prefer to play on a server populated with fairly fluent English speaking people. Most of them feel the same way as well from what I gathered in FFXI.
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#14 Sep 02 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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ispanolfw wrote:
MMOs traditionally use minimal amounts of data, latency is more important.


I've seen 10-15k data bursts in EQ2, and that's not even during raids. Raids it'd jump to 30k.
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#15 Sep 02 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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ispanolfw wrote:
The servers are hosted in Japan, but they're not global, each region has it's own set. But still, all in Japan.

That would defy the point of the auto translator. The region separation is just for client localization. It would be asinine to have separate region servers and host them all in Japan.

Sure, global servers were a great thing back then, but things change; both people and technology. What was once good a decade ago isn't good anymore. Sure, splitting the servers would whack some fans and throw out features they implemented, but it'd be better in present time because of the massive technology improvements made.

I know I can't be alone in my views of this situation. Technical people do not like latency.
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#16 Sep 02 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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That's really not alot if it's in kilobits, if it's in kilobytes, then the networking is horrible.
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I remember reading that SE mentioned the reason for the severe lag is they are running tests while the servers are running for all the betas. When the actual game comes out it should go down considerably.
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