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#1 Sep 03 2010 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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wasnt there suppose to be a breast size selector in this? was it a rumor?
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Your face determines the size of ******* for some models.

Odd, yes.
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#4 Sep 03 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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No. :P What it was (and may still be, who knows) was that at least on Hyur females chest size varied with one of the options (face or something). No idea if that is still the case (or if it was ever really supposed to be there), but there wasn't and isn't a "Cup Size" pulldown or anything. (Would be interesting for further customization, ignoring the "omgperv" factor.)
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#5 Sep 03 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
I hope they add one, but it only let's you make them smaller Smiley: lol

The last thing I want to see is Soul Caliber sized cans in this game.
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No, but changing the face of your female Elezen will cause her ******* to either expand or contract. I think that also applies to Hyur women, but not Lalafell (lol) or Miqo'te. If there was, I'm sure I'd be the only one making my Miqo'te's chest as flat as possible as opposed to cantaloupe-sized. Dx
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Lol how funny would that be, they use it as a selling point too and then it turns out you can only make the ******* smaller hahah
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[...]but not Lalafell (lol)[...]

That would be.... disturbing. x.X
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The last thing I want to see is Soul Caliber sized cans in this game.

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IMO they really need to add breast size as a seperate option. Call it chest or something so the PC's don't get mad. It's irritating that if someone wants a certain face but wants a breast size that goes with another face they are just screwed. I'm not going to be playing a female character after release(have one now) but my wife plays too and she is kind of disappointed with this.
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yes, it needed a thread.
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#13 Sep 03 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Default
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yes, it needed a thread.


This may actually need two threads...one for each of 'em.
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yes, it needed a thread.


This may actually need two threads...one for each of 'em.


I've never used the rate up or down function, but I am starting with you sir.

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Just so you know there was a thread about this before and it was almost locked(maybe it was) because people were being immature. Keep in mind that things you are saying could be offensive to some people on the boards.
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This needed a thread? Smiley: oyvey

See what i mean?
Lol, anyway yeah its been discussed, and i dont see why it isn't an option, at least within a reasonable amount. Not that big of a deal to me either way though.
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That would be.... disturbing. x.X

Go watch the last episode of Excel Saga if you want an idea of what that would look like. :D Don't say I didn't warn you, though.
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Just so you know there was a thread about this before and it was almost locked(maybe it was) because people were being immature. Keep in mind that things you are saying could be offensive to some people on the boards.


Nonsense! Boobs cannot and have not ever offendend anyone!
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Just wait. I can 90% guarantee either an Admin will post here with a warning or this thread will be locked.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if SE was still saving a large portion of the character customization for release later this month.
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violence is ok, anything sexual is not.
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Just one of the reasons why I question the logic of society.

What? There is none? Oh.
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I've never even understood why ******* are a sexual thing in our society. They are "***" organs in the sense that they distinguish between the male and female ***, but they're not ACTUALLY *** organs. They play no actual role in *** (Well, now there's the whole paizuri thing, but we don't consider feet obscene because there are foot fetishists out there). I don't understand why they're different from an arm or a leg other than that our puritan background has brainwashed us into thinking that they're a private part. But we've moved past a lot of those values, just not this.

Don't get me wrong, I love em. I just think the sexualization of ******* is kind of absurd. Maybe men should start concealing their Adam's apple like it was another genitalia.
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I've never even understood why ******* are a sexual thing in our society. They are "***" organs in the sense that they distinguish between the male and female ***, but they're not ACTUALLY *** organs. They play no actual role in *** (Well, now there's the whole paizuri thing, but we don't consider feet obscene because there are foot fetishists out there). I don't understand why they're different from an arm or a leg other than that our puritan background has brainwashed us into thinking that they're a private part. But we've moved past a lot of those values, just not this.


I don't want to play Sergeant Sexologist here since that's not what the thread is for but through a lot of psychology/biology stuff I've taken/studied the ******* are a sexual thing. They react subconsciously in the male brain almost like beacons to give an idea of the health of the female for terms of reproduction. So do the buttocks.

So yes, they are sexual.

But I do get what you're saying. Me being an artist I have to draw/see naked people like 15 times a week or more. I find people who are offended by sexual stuff or sexual body parts are really... well, I'll be nice and not say anything.
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its funny watching this thread vs the ******* prostitute thread... and how this one was rated to default whereas the other was decent .... just wow.
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For the record, I'm attempting to be as mature as possible. This post is not a juvenile "zomg bewbs" rant, but a legitimate train of thought that is agreed upon by a 26 year old male and a 22 year old female. If you're reading this post and fapping or you're going to turn into a sperglord over discussion of naughty bits, move along. In fact, I'm going to spoiler part 1 of this post in case someone is horribly offended or something; you don't have to read it. Just move on to part two.

Furthermore, this is a bit of a dissertation so if you don't want to read it all, you're welcome to move on as well. No one is forcing you.

If you plan to reply though, I'd appreciate if you did take the time to read the spoilered part first though, so that you can fully grasp where I'm coming from. (That was a pun, get it?)

My fiancee (female, bisexual) and myself (male, mostly straight) have discussed this frequently with no resolution:

"Why are ******* significantly more attractive than vaginas and penises?"

Part 1: Comparison of nature according to general society views and comparison of Usage/Application
From strictly a pornography perspective, vaginas are relatively sexual in nature but are in essence just a hole with loose skin around them. ******* are also inherently assumed to be sexual, despite the fact that of the three they tend to be the least sexual in terms of purpose. Penises are arguably the most stereotypcally sexual of the three. My proof or reasoning is thus:

Let's start with ******* and compare "things that look like ******* but are not". A pair of doughnuts, two bowls upside down, possibly two cups upside down depending on the size and shape of the cups, even OO or 00 could look like ******* if one is imaginative enough, but let's be honest; how many people look at two round non-sexual objects and consider them to be "breast-like"? Not many.

Replace that for vaginas and the things that could be considered to look like them. Even the lips on your mouth bear a similar resemblance to a vaginal opening. A crease in a pair of pants or a shirt could look ******-like as well but again, people do not typically consider all "******-like" objects to be ******-like at first glance.

Now comparatively, just about anything that is long tends to be thought of in phallic references. Everything from antennas to pencils... even having a microphone close to your mouth might, in the perverted mind, be immediately construed as "oral ***-like", not because your mouth looks like a ******, but because the mic looks like a *****.

Consider even something like a fleshlight (not work safe; do not google this if you are in mixed company) versus a standard vibrator or **** plug. The mind more quickly connects the idea of phallic toys to a ***** than it connects toys containing an ******* to the concept of a ******.

Having determined that our minds are more prepared to recognize penises than anything else, let's consider public applications.

Penises are at the top of the list again. Even a little bit of spillage out of a bathing suit or even a bit of a bulge in public is highly frowned upon by many people. Secondly comes vaginas; women can wear some rather skimpy thong bathing suits but so long as the general vicinity is amply covered, most people (who don't have *** on the brain anyway) don't tend to notice or care.

*******, on the other hand, are in a league all their own. Not only are there topless beaches (but not bottomless ones), but women who choose to breastfeed can do so publicly without retribution from most but the extremely prude. Some people swear by breastfeeding and to them, the notion of whipping out your mammary glands in public to feed your child is a normal, natural thing (yet dropping your pants, regardless of gender is not)

Even when you consider the usage of the three in comparison, ******* are still arguably the "least useful" of the three. I mean honestly, if you had to pick any two of *******, ******, and ***** purely for sexual purposes, your best results would come from choosing the final two. Without getting into explicit descriptions of the number of ways each part can be used, if you take your mind away from a "*** is only between a man and a woman to make babies" mentality and really think about from a view of "sexual stimulation", the ***** and ****** can produce far more different results in terms of the user's enjoyment than ******* can. I won't go into details; there are a number of websites that could provide pictures for you, I'm sure.


Part 2: Perception of sexuality of parts
So, having determined that ******* are arguably viewed as "less sexual" than either penises or vaginas in part 1 (Just take my word for it if you skipped that part), why does the mind perceive them as more attractive?

Now, to be fair this following hypothetical only works best if you are bisexual or if you can at least appreciate the inherent sexuality of both genders, regardless of whether you are attracted to them or not. Even my own mother, who is straight as an arrow, can at least admit that ******* are nice to look at, so set aside your concepts of ***/straight/bi and look critically at the human body for a moment.

Typically speaking, and assuming you are not looking at them with sexual intent, when you look at a male in a picture/movie/TV show, where do you tend to glance first? Face, upper chest, hair... most people will not say ***** here. Despite being the most sexually iconic organ between either gender, one's eyes do not tend to drift to that area unless *** is -already- on your mind.

The same can be said for vaginas, in fact even less so. Unless emphasis is explicitly put on the crotch region of a woman (either through provocative clothing or the picture/video being taken at a deliberate angle to accentuate the hips) or you already have *** on your mind, one does not tend to typically notice the vaginal area. In fact, despite the fact that vaginas are more sexual in use than asses (I could go into detail on this as well, but won't), most people, even people who do not consider themselves to be an "*** person" will be more likely to notice an *** from a departing person than either the ****** or ***** of an approaching person. They're in the same exact spot, but statistically speaking, you're far more likely to stare at someone's *** than you are to stare at their crotch, regardless of gender, unless given a specific reason to do so (they walk up to you when you're sitting down, they spilled something on their lap, etc).

******* however, tend to draw the eye readily. Speaking objectively, it's fairly obvious that they're in a rather central location on the body, yet assuming the person you're speaking to is approximately your height, you should see their eyes/mouth/hair. Customarily it is considered polite to look into someone's eyes or to look at their lips while speaking. Depending on culture, you might avert your eyes to one side so as not to stare too fixedly.

However, for anyone who considers the female form to be attractive, it can be difficult to not subconsciously have your eyes drift lower. Many women's shirts make this even more defined by accentuating the cleavage area through the neck cut or through the shape of the shirt to accent and emphasize the *******, yet outside of something like chaps, you really don't see clothing that emphasizes the ***** or ******. Even the *** receives more accentuation and emphasis in clothing, which leads even more toward drawing the eyes to those areas. Even a T-shirt, when worn by a female, generally places text around the breast area and many T-shirts for women specifically take breast placement into account when spacing and laying out the text and/or pictures.

Part 3: Applications in FFXIV and other MMORPGs and conclusion
So in the end, why do we care about ******* exactly? Set aside the concept that thinking sexually is perverted and look at it from a purely design-oriented standpoint.

Point blank, curves are more visually appealing than straight lines. Always. Human beings just prefer to look at curved things. Consider that spoons, forks, and knives are typically curved. Curved handles are easier to hold than straight ones. Curved game controllers look better than rectangular ones. Cars emphasize curves both for aerodynamics, but also for aesthetics. More people buy round or oval plates than square or rectangular ones. Most bathtubs have rounded edges rather than hard angles. Computer monitors and televisions with curved edges are more visually appealing than ones with hard angles as well. Even corner moulding just looks better than a flat wall because it adds a curved accent instead of an abrupt right angle. People like curves.

So from a purely visual standpoint, B/C cup ******* are more visually appealing than A cups. I'm not going to blow it out of proportion and get into discussions of D/DD/E and sizes that are bigger than your head and will cause back pain late in life, but realistically speaking, many people just prefer to look at someone with B or C cup *******. It's probably partially sexual, but fact is, they're just plain nicer to look at.

So what all does this have to do with anything? Notice that people actually do care about breast size, and not all for sexual reasons. You don't see people asking to adjust a character's *** or anything in the crotch region; just *******. If anything else, people might want to adjust lower torso and hips (typically because most people prefer an hourglass form aesthetically).

But in the end, it all comes back to the question I raised near the beginning: Why are ******* arguably the most attractive body part between either gender? Neither my fiancee nor I have been able to arrive at an acceptable answer. I welcome input.
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I've never even understood why ******* are a sexual thing in our society. They are "***" organs in the sense that they distinguish between the male and female ***, but they're not ACTUALLY *** organs. They play no actual role in *** (Well, now there's the whole paizuri thing, but we don't consider feet obscene because there are foot fetishists out there). I don't understand why they're different from an arm or a leg other than that our puritan background has brainwashed us into thinking that they're a private part. But we've moved past a lot of those values, just not this.

Don't get me wrong, I love em. I just think the sexualization of ******* is kind of absurd. Maybe men should start concealing their Adam's apple like it was another genitalia.


Indeed, ******* have little to do in the reproductive process. However, the male mind has evolved biologically in such a way that the sight of a nice pair of plumpers will bring about a rise in most men. It was this "uncomfortable" feeling of lust that makes people throw ******* into the *** category.

Back on topic, I'm all for a size selector but only because I think the more customization, the better... heh.
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lol freakin funny. Breast compensates for the sketchyer faces.
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"Why are ******* significantly more attractive than vaginas and penises?"


I didn't continue reading your extremely long post solely because this is opinionative. I completely disagree with the statement that this quote implies.
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I didn't continue reading your extremely long post solely because this is opinionative. I completely disagree with the statement that this quote implies.


I'm pretty sure he is talking about the majority opinion on the matter which is indeed true.

There are people who like car exhaust pipes more than people so of course it doesn't apply to everyone.
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I'm pretty sure he is talking about the majority opinion on the matter which is indeed true.

There are people who like car exhaust pipes more than people so of course it doesn't apply to everyone.


Indeed. It may be an opinion that some people disagree with, but it is an opinion held by the majority of people. As I stated, if you're going to disagree, at least read the entire post so you understand the meaning behind the statement. You aren't qualified to disagree with the statement until you understand the logic behind it, which was spelled out in a detailed manner.

So yeah. Re-read my post in its entirety, THEN if you disagree with certain points, feel free to speak up. You can't just dismiss the brief introduction to the rest of the post without reading ahead. That's like opening A Tale of Two Cities, reading "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" and screaming "No it wasn't!" and slamming the book shut.
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So yeah. Re-read my post in its entirety, THEN if you disagree with certain points, feel free to speak up.


Alright, I've read the full post. First I'll point out that before I read your post I was put off again by this statement:

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Without basis for this it means nothing. A poll, a university study, some kind of statistics.

The big problem with your post is that you're talking about which sexual organs are most attractive, yet in your examples you only talk about clothed individuals. If you are going to assess sexual organs than the only fair way to do this is with a nude subject; since you can't view all of the reproductive organs when someone is clothed. It seemed like your post was "Why are ******* significantly more attractive on clothed individuals than vaginas and penises?" instead of "Why are ******* significantly more attractive than vaginas and penises?"

You also spoke about the appearance of the clothed ****, which you didn't really say was found more attractive by most people, only that it is not as noticeable to most people. Which you also have no backing data for... I think we need a poll, but I don't have premium lol.
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You mean like the size of the model's eyes?
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You mean like the size of the model's eyes?


No not the size of anything. There are 4 preset faces for each race, then you can adjust other parts of the face. The 4 faces have corresponding breast sizes.
#37 Sep 03 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
After reading this thread does anyone else have a urge to eat some watermelon?

EDIT: Something to ponder... If people are attracted to things like spoons for their curves, does that mean that sporks are for transvestites?

(Oh how I love where this thread is going...! But to try steering it from the abyss of the darker reaches of our minds, a chest size option could be skipped if they allowed us to do better proportions for other things, let us make our characters fat or skinny, allow us to manually control the size so I can have a freakishly Elezen toothpick or a fat ball of pudge Lalafell I can use as a soccerball.)

Edited, Sep 3rd 2010 8:59pm by SamusKnight
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Indeed, ******* have little to do in the reproductive process. However, the male mind has evolved biologically in such a way that the sight of a nice pair of plumpers will bring about a rise in most men. It was this "uncomfortable" feeling of lust that makes people throw ******* into the *** category.


I'm really not even sure how true this is though-- I mean the evolutionary aspect of it. In indigenous cultures, women still customarily go topless, and my understanding is that ******* are not viewed sexually in these cultures. This leads me to suspect that our sexualization of ******* seems to be based more on their "taboo" status.
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BRizzl3, you apparently don't read books, own a TV, watch movies, or internet videos, do you? Well, I'll enter into this discussion of the mammary nature. First, I'll dismiss you, then I will attend to putting my hand in on this.
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Without basis for this it means nothing. A poll, a university study, some kind of statistics.
Marketing analysts have done all this work. Watch any major beer commercial. Check the cover of any romance novel. Look at any billboard directed at one *** over another. You will see quite quickly that Mikhalia is dead-on.

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The big problem with your post is that you're talking about which sexual organs are most attractive, yet in your examples you only talk about clothed individuals. If you are going to assess sexual organs than the only fair way to do this is with a nude subject; since you can't view all of the reproductive organs when someone is clothed.
The bulk of your daily interactions, unless you live in a nudist colony, will be with clothed individuals. You can and will be aroused by what you see at times, and therefore you need to get why. I'll go into that in a second. As for finding out why you can get excited over certain body parts over another, no two people are the same. But the majority of guys will say "***" or "Bewbs" long before you will hear "Crotch". Women will say Face, Abs, ****, Shoulders... just about everything except *****.

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It seemed like your post was "Why are ******* significantly more attractive on clothed individuals than vaginas and penises?" instead of "Why are ******* significantly more attractive than vaginas and penises?"
Don't watch much **** either, eh?

Ever notice that most of **** STARTS with a clothed individual, that slowly peels for the camera? Yea, I bet you fast forward and never see that. Usually, the tease starts with a woman revealing her ******* or exposing them, then slowly working to other regions.

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You also spoke about the appearance of the clothed ****, which you didn't really say was found more attractive by most people, only that it is not as noticeable to most people. Which you also have no backing data for... I think we need a poll, but I don't have premium lol.
Actually, this plays directly in the crotch vs. chest stuff.

OK, first, why is nudity sexual at all? Because it's forbidden. Back in the day, ANKLES could be ****, because most women wore dresses that completely covered them from head to toe. So as society has become more liberal, the areas of sexuality changed until we have the big three that were mentioned.

Now, here's a bit of scientific data that was neglected. ******* react both to temperature and sexual arousal. Woman can flush on their chest just like their face, and there are two places that can likewise represent excitement... or being cold. So they are a visible sign that a male has a shot with a female. And males being visually oriented for their data-gathering, visible signs are welcome.

Now, as for the why people don't stare intently at a crotch as willingly as the **** or chest... that's simple social norms. Let me ask you, if someone who you did not know started staring directly and intently at your crotch, how would you feel? Most likely, unless that was the intent of your clothing choice for the day, you're going to feel uncomfortable. Either you will think they are finding something wrong, or that they have something wrong themselves.

But why not the same feelings for the rear? Weeeeell... none of us has eyes in the back of our head. Say you see a major hottie, but you don't want to be caught staring all creepy stalker-like. The easiest way to check the goods is when they aren't looking. Therefore, you begin to have a growing appreciation of the backside of the opposite ***. And since, again, the forbidden fruit is the sweetest, you stare at the departing end of the crotch, the ***.

You can also toss in the time-honoured argument in the case of the female form that curvaceous woman are more desirable in lean economic times because those curves show that they are successful at staving off lean times, where as thin women are more in vogue for opulent times because it shows a restraint by the woman for not indulging. But then that's more marketing fluff than reality. We tend to desire the type of man or woman that we first became sexually aroused by.
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#40 Sep 04 2010 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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#41 Sep 04 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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After this I'm done with this thread, because no one here is an expert(including me) but we're all trying to act like it and that just doesn't work.

Here are some polls to disprove your theories, too hard to find ones with just the three so sorry they all have more:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1125014 - This poll shows *** and legs as being attractive to more people than *******.

http://www.quibblo.com/quiz/2Adn5yq/Which-body-part-is-most-attractive-gender-specific?skip_to_results=1 - Again **** is at the top, ******* in second this time.

http://www.quibblo.com/quiz/5dQ-UV/Poll-Which-Part-of-The-Body-Do-You-Find-Most-Attractive-In-Others?skip_to_results=1 - Here's one in your favor, only having 2 of the parts mentioned, with ******* at the highest of those two.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~grpproc/crisp/crisp13_11.pdf - This is not a poll, but a very small study done at a university which suggests that ******* are preferred most by males out of all body parts.

http://www.fastlife.com/physical-attraction-survey.html - This is a very large study done by a speed dating service which says that men find a woman's **** the most attractive.

So, in conclusion, it seems that the ******* and **** are the most attractive(according to this information). However it's very inconsistent so from this you can't really say which is for sure the most attractive. You will never find a study large enough to prove which is really more attractive to people. Even if there was one that took into account a million participants, since people's tastes can change at any moment than half of the people who said ******* could flip-flop over to finding butts more attractive at any time.







#42 Sep 04 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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I wouldnt want huge ******* to get in the way of my fighting, and lets be honost, the jiggle physics would only slow our computers down even more u.u
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