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#52 Sep 03 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Default
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Another thing to make sure to do is visit the other starting zones. Grindia or whatever the **** it's called, has an extremely linear map where you run along paths surrounded by gray area that is not part of the world. However in Uldah the map is wide open sprawling plains and desert.

And lol@someone rating my posts down, these guys are mad.
#53Doodwtf8, Posted: Sep 03 2010 at 6:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Good explanation, good post, you really added to the structure of this thread.
#54 Sep 03 2010 at 6:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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wtf is this "rose-coloured glasses/shades" expression. The only place I've ever heard that is here.

And the only person I've heard say it other than this guy is Mikhalia or whatever their name is.


Wow really? That surprises me. Do you live in the U.S. or Canada? If not totally understandable. I use the term "Out of the woodwork" and my girlfriend and ex-girlfriends never understand what that means until I explain it to them, due to them always being foreign to America.

There is something missing with this game though. I can't quite put my finger on it. Something that XI had, but this one does not. It's been racking my brain since I first tried beta, something about the gameplay, I might just be crazy.

There are certainly many issues, but at the heart a potentially excellent game. Certainly not user friendly, which means even less new user friendly.

I do think one of the problems is lack of content, but this is a stress test, I believe that there will be a lot more content on release.
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#55 Sep 03 2010 at 6:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Forgive me for finding that starting out with someone going "You are a blood elf there was an attack reclaim who you are" whatever and then starting with a ! over someone's head to start a grind that will last you until level cap is not quite as good as starting out in the middle of some action and getting right into something from the beginning.


It's just a different way of telling the narative. In WoW, the approach is "here's what happened, soon you will be powerful enough to shape the world." Along the way you learn things and stuff happens, but until max level, you really aren't a part of the "big events." With FFXIV it's like "some thing is going on, and no one really knows what, exactly, so why don't you go ahead and find out (eventually)?" You start out involved with the story by accident more than by choice, and you get swept up as you go along.

I think the FFXI method is more immersive, but WoW actually has a lot more individual stories being told via quests and such. Pretty much every zone has several quest lines which are all as meaningful as 90% of the missions or quests in FFXI, or any that I've seen so far in FFXIV. Basically, in WoW, finding out WHY there's a dude that you need to kill is optional. If you want, you can just ***** around until you're powerful to kill the big dude, or you can do all the quests and get a lot of background about why you're killing the big dude, as well as a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with him.
#56 Sep 03 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Default
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They probably have a lot of content unreleased to be honest. The game is going retail in 3 weeks so they obviously aren't designing anything right now (large) meant for release. Probably bug fixes and more optimization till release then they will patch in new content.

Not a bad plan tbh but I know what you mean, in 11 i felt like i go out, grind, dump inventory at the shop "cool i get my new weapon now!"

Now it is so tedious to get anything made, just looking at the recipes needed for the next axe is daunting, I haven't seen anyone make or that can make any of the crap in that recipe, besides the axe ****.
#57 Sep 03 2010 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow really? That surprises me. Do you live in the U.S. or Canada? If not totally understandable. I use the term "Out of the woodwork" and my girlfriend and ex-girlfriends never understand what that means until I explain it to them, due to them always being foreign to America.


Yeah I live in Canada.

I just probably heard it before but never picked up on it.
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#58 Sep 03 2010 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Karlhungis

the only other person in this thread to attempt to illustrate a balanced viewpoint on the differences between the two games.

/takes off hat and bows
#59 Sep 03 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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my problems with wow's combat system... OPINION

1) set in stone best rotations make up 90% of the raid fights, there are some very cool fights (such as lich king you mentioned) but almost every boss I was pretty much facerolling my rotation then moving 3 steps to the left when my mod said to. There is plenty they can do with what they have, but they often choose not to, or the repetition removes it.

2) useless abilities, millions of them. I roll a certain class, and depending on what spec i choose, despite having 20+ attacks, I only ever use 5 of them and the rest I could remove from the bar and forget about, many abilities are made to be used with a certain spec and nothing else so what looks like a lot, isn't.

3) mods remove most thought process from raids, why watch the bosses actions when you can glaze your eyes hitting your perfect rotation until the mod says "run!" then you run. I watched people die on raids 20 lv's lower than them then say "my mod didn't tell me to run" even though they had 1hp, its hilarious. mods make it so we know everything a boss does before they do it for the most part its all clockwork and it makes it even more repetitive, as well as making those repeat runs even more boring.

4) difficulty curve, gearing up consists of slapping around helpless enemies who have no chance for a couple weeks, then you go to a raid, slap around helpless bosses for a month or so, THEN you try the hard fight(s) after a few weeks, you've outgeared them and slap them around too with nothing bigger to pick on. This is largely a WotLK problem since they lawlified their difficulty curve.

As you can see most of my problems lie with WotLK, I very much enjoyed WoW before that despite some personal annoyances.

Is FFXIV's? current form perfect? **** no. Does it have flaws? **** yes. It is in beta, yes it also close to retail, but that doesn't mean Open Beta = Retail, that also does not mean Retail = New Game, I am expecting most of what we see in OB now to be in release. The thing is it WILL change AFTER release as well, if your going to expect a polished and perfected mmo at release your doing it wrong, they take time to mature (there is a reason some people only play mmos 6months after release, but without the initial pioneers that would be impossible) and as such many of us displaying so much confidence in this game is because see the potential it has and what SE can do to greatly improve it form the near to far future. If you don't believe this try compare release WoW to how it is now, you won't even recognize it (especially after cata release ;) ) Or comparing JP release ffxi to how it is now (holy ****).

Just because we like this game and defend it doesn't make us fanboys or **suckers, perhaps we simply have a much higher opinion of this game and see its real potential much like you in yours? If that's being a fanboy then so are you, just for a different game. Which makes this entire thread moot since everything fanboys say is a lie.

If you want to try discuss how "bad" a game is, going to their fansites usually isn't the best place to do so either.
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#60 Sep 03 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not attacking people like you. I am attacking the irrational people that don't care what argument is presented, that will give the same ******** answers to any confrontation started from someone who doesn't agree. You make perfectly valid points and your opinions have sound reasoning.

That is what i expect from someone on these forums, this isn't ******* 4chan.

But i agree with you on Wrath, I couldn't stand Wrath. It dumbed down the game and makes it much less fun for the hardcore gamer. I agree with this and never claimed not to. Both games have their flaws but the difference comes with developer interaction. It seems like the American crowd and especially the PC crowd gets left in the dust by Square enix. A lot of the bugs in 11 were a ******* debacle, **** the debuff on my char in 14 is still in japanese.

And being a PC game but due to a clunky ui and strange, unneeded features (Yes i am sure i want to ******* revive) the game is meant to be played with a controller. It feels like I am testing the game on PC to be played on the PS3.

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#61 Sep 03 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Default
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And i'm not trying to bash this game, it is still a positive experience and I am enjoying myself very much.

However I think these forums are misleading people that read them since no one seems to want to talk about any of the problems (besides wtf i can't attack/where do i get blank crystal and omg i crashed im suing square)
#62 Sep 03 2010 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing is.. I love to party.. a dam shame the party search function is broken... That better be fixed by release...

God SE don't pull an "Aion" Don't release the game with half of its content missing...
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#63 Sep 03 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Default
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At least the half content that is available now is better than all the content aion currently offers.
#64 Sep 03 2010 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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sorry dood, I misread some others posts as yours, not reading grey names closely enough

also lmao@aion comment
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#65 Sep 03 2010 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Understood cap'n.

Flaws can be patched, it's just if square is willing to do it or even sees a problem with it is what this games success is riding on.

Which scares me.
#66 Sep 03 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I expected this kind of brad press coming from sites like MMORPG for example.
Let's be honest, only dedicated places such as ZAM or ffxiv core cover ups information, others don't even bother, because it is not coming from the West, or because it is not a Wow clone.

I'm just bored @ bias, and trolls that scream so much that their opinion is the only one people hears.

Atleast eurogamer made a nice article about FFXIV recently.

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#67 Sep 03 2010 at 7:19 PM Rating: Default
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Articulate your post and repost it please.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, that made almost no sense.
#68 Sep 03 2010 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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Let's be honest, only dedicated places such as ZAM or ffxiv core cover ups information, others don't even bother, because it is not coming from the West, or because it is not a Wow clone.


just as I said earlier

Mainstream is biggest "audience"

Big game coming out, aimed in the opposite direction of mainstream

Queue mainstream complaints
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#69 Sep 03 2010 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
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And being a PC game but due to a clunky ui and strange, unneeded features (Yes i am sure i want to @#%^ing revive) the game is meant to be played with a controller.
I'm not convinced you played FFXI, the UI isn't that much different, the keyboard controls are ~the same as FFXI compact keyboard, and you don't auto revive because you might be waiting for a spell raise. Being different from what you're apparently used to doesn't make it bad. People liking the new system doesn't make them "ignorant fanboys." If you pulled you head out of your *** more people would take your "opinions" seriously.

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#70 Sep 03 2010 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Clunky UI meaning its a pain to scroll down one by one and if you use the mouse it lags since it is saved server side? Try using a mouse and scrolling down, it is infuriating trying to click on something and no I am not the only person with the problem.

If i were waiting for a rez i wouldn't hit - scroll down to return and then when it asks if im super duper sure, hit yes.

And clicking on every piece of equipment to see which one is broken is also fun for the record.

Have you played the beta yet or are you just trying to show me up and getting owned?

Your arguments leave much to be desired mister cat.
#71 Sep 03 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Default
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Karma!? I pointed out something wrong with a game and another poster insults people so i insult him and it's karma.

Haha keep crying dude, if you honestly feel that strongly then maybe you should find an under-desk job at square.
#72 Sep 03 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you played the beta yet or are you just trying to show me up and getting owned?
I was in closed Beta. Explain to me how my amazing ability to use a keyboard compared to your complete inability to do so is me "getting owned?"
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Karma is the rating system, and it's a joke.
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#73 Sep 03 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Since I don't really care about my Karma I'm just going to explain to you why I (probbaly amongst others) rated you down.

Wasn't so much about the content but because of the way you expressed it (on the first few posts), from your posts I got a lot of atitude and disregard for other people's opinions. Also the use of bad language didn't help a bit!
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#74 Sep 03 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
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Yes because obviously having any sort of problem = inability...

The ui is a pain in the *** to use for the majority of people. Maybe you are jesus or maybe you are overlooking shortcomings because of the logo on the box.

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#75 Sep 03 2010 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally am getting sick of seeing negative comments on the forums etc. that are NOT SE forums.

if you think somethings bad post them there so they think about it. enough people complain it will change (money makes that happen you know)


the game for me seems like a whole new game style for a MMO and i think thats why its hard to wrap around. and i dont know about you...but FFXI was the same for me at first. i had NO idea how to start a quest or a mission. if it wasnt for the helpful people on the NET! The problem here is its not established yet. most people didnt play ffxi until US release and thus they already knew what to do because some people were playing it in JP release. the game was known and understood.

if your unhappy with the game right now I think in a month after release you will be like "this is awesome". it has A LOT of potential just because the system. It really relies on player to player interaction and community. you cant figure out a quest? look it up online in a month. it will be there. but as for now, no one knows everything and this is the kind of game where its going to take time to figure out. which is awesome! i hate that in a week on most games someone has already reached maxed lvl and done all the cool crap. this game as EXP per time caps, quest caps per time, its all there to make the gameplay last instead of everyone blasting through it. even FFXI which could take a long time of leveling to reach max level is kinda fast. i think this game is trying to force everyone to slow down and smell the roses. which at the moment are buggy cuz its still a beta.

i understand peoples worry and fear but i think its because they were looking for a clone of a previous game or a mix of previous games. and its not that at all.

UI is getting better every day btw. its not like they are ignoring the problem :)

dont let negative comments get you down. its just not an easy game for once
#76 Sep 03 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Default
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Ah but the guy insulting everyone who doesn't agree is fine though.

You're right, he agreed with you, he doesn't deserve to be rated down.
#77 Sep 03 2010 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Dont feed the moles lol
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And i agree with you that the game has tons of potential orenji. Some of the implemented innovations are outstanding, fresh and a blast to use.

This is a 3rd party website, why would you expect to not have negative comments though?
#79 Sep 03 2010 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't mentioned rating anyone else, whether I did or not, simply the reasons why I rated you due to your comments about being rated down.

I just wanted to give you some clue why some people might be rating you down, it appears you just don't want to understand and be defensive...this is my last coment on rating anyone.
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#80 Sep 03 2010 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah but the guy insulting everyone who doesn't agree is fine though.

You're right, he agreed with you, he doesn't deserve to be rated down.
Or maybe it was because he used full, grammatically correct sentences? Or maybe it was because every third word wasn't a generic slur? Or maybe it was because his name didn't start with "D"? Or maybe people just like the cut of his jib?

People rate others up/down for a billion different reasons. A lot of the time it doesn't even have anything to do with what they've posted. Getting Defensive about it is laudable.
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#81Doodwtf8, Posted: Sep 03 2010 at 7:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It illustrates the mentality of these forums though. Why can't some of the people here realize there is another side to an argument?
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It illustrates the mentality of these forums though. Why can't some of the people here realize there is another side to an argument?


You'd come off as a more respectful opponent in an argument if you weren't acting like a pompous prick in some of your posts.

Especially with crap like "getting owned".

I'm a pretty sarcastic person and not a role model for respectful arguments but there are a lot of people here acting better than you.
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#83 Sep 03 2010 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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So to compare... starting the game with absolutely no explanation of how to do anything, no background for what's going on, and merely seeing some dude with a ! over his head and giving you what looks like a 90s dungeon game dialogue on a piece of paper is superior to this? A game that throws you right into the action with elaborate cutscenes and expressions, characters you can actually feel attached to, and quests/a story you feel like you're a part of?


Interesting way to look at wow.....If you had played it you would know that if you have the sound on your given a summery of what that race is currently involved in and what brought them to that point in each races opening cutscene. Which BTW as far back as I remember has not changed since the game started. Also lets not forget the wrathgate cutscene or how about the fall of the lich king cutscene. Both of those are very entertaining if you enjoy the Lich King story arc.

Also in wow for about oh i dunno maybe its the first 10 lvls your given tool tips for anytime something new is learned or any new mechanic is run into.......So far in FFXIV beta I've killed 3 mobs.....thats it thats all I have found to kill and those are given to me to kill in the very beginning of the game. Started a guildleve got dc'ed and that auto failed. ran around for 2 hours looking for something to massacre, found dodo's thats it. Even for a beta this is turning out to be rather lack-luster. And don't give me that it's a beta its not final blah blah blah SE fanboy crap. I was in the FFXI beta and that was handled so much better than the open beta has for FFXIV.

I may as well cancel my pre-order, it just feels like this game is so far from being ready that having a CE will just be a pay to play beta.
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#84 Sep 03 2010 at 8:12 PM Rating: Default
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I am enjoying the open beta so far. I started with an archer and now I have a thau. character caster. So far the only thing that was making me question the game was when I tried to get MP. After figuring that out, it has been a snap.

I haven't had any graphic difficulties as far as unsteady framerate or anything. I have a mid-range pc that scored a 2500 on high settings when I originally ran the benchmark. I am running the game at 1920x1080 with some goodies turned on. Everything looks smooth and the graphics are on par to Aion or LOTRO. The graphics blow wow out of the water. Plus who doesn't like kitties with t******. Use your imagination haha.

I think the negative reviews are from people that are not patient and do not understand that a game like this will take a lot of time and effort put in before you get level capped. And I can admit before seeing it, I was really in that group as well, because of bias and understanding that the support from square would be awful. If they can improve their support and in-game support, then this game will do very well I think. If it goes the way I have seen so far then it might not flourish like it would have. I sent feedback and got a canned response, and my issue is now fixed, but no one followed up to say hey you are fine now, keep testing! I sent a response back to the canned response and nothing has come back. Beta is overwhelming with the feedback that they are getting, so I really understand. But if people are paying a monthly subscription it will be insulting to get a canned response and no timely follow-through.

As far as the story so far I am really excited. This is what always excited me about the FF series. I have been in a couple of parties, and I think that is what will make the game stand out in the end. I read some things about how TP will be used in this game and I think it will be lost on anyone that hasn't played FFXI. I am looking forward to see how it performs later in a party that has TP talents.

#85 Sep 03 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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These I liked.

Unfortunately they were far into the game at level 73 or so and on... two expansions in.
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So basically what you are saying is that you want to be spoon fed. Also did it ever occur to you that other people including myself don't want an easy game. I'm sorry leveling 1-20 in a hour I find that a bore. Those repeatable quest in WoW, I'm pretty sure my brain activity decreased to barely noticeable levels. To me this is WoW press M see where the quest tells you to go run for 20 or so minutes kill X# of mobs run back to town... rinse and repeat. I found it very boring to level in WoW since you could do it by yourself. No one ever wanted to party at lower or mid levels unless it was a dungeon. Which was the same time and time again... also not going to lie I could go through those dungeons tanked I mean really drunk and still do my job well. Everyday I played the game was lonely. I thought to myself why am I paying a monthly fee for this, doesn't seem like an MMORPG to me?

With the tough mobs being in starter areas, I believe this has to do with the fact that SE has stated that they wish players to join together to complete tough objectives, which I quite fancy. Nothing like getting a random rag tag group ending up having a great time and making some life long friends. Now that's an MMORPG

P.S I don't want to start a WoW vs. FFXIV battle. These are my opinions from what I experienced from WoW, you may have had different ones which is OK.
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I apologize rubina, but the fact that it went from no one complaining about the game to numerous people complaining about it striked me as quite odd, and I just wanted to see what the ZAM people thought themselves. No it is not the entire web, but you can surely take a guestimate of what other sites with forums are probably saying from what a couple other are.
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I like what Karl wrote about WoW...I dunno how anyone can call that a grind by any stretch of the imagination. You go out, quest, gain EXP by doing so, and get to whatever you want fairly quickly, and there's always a dungeon to do or quest that will give you EXP.

FFXI, on the other hand....to level you have to search for a party, get to a camp site, then sit there for hours on end killing the same monsters over and over and over again until a few people ding and someone says 'We can do pug camp now' or the equivalent and you move to the pug camp and repeat what you just did ad infinitum. Yea, the missions rocked, the quests had sick storylines in some cases, but you can't honestly look at someone with a straight face and say that leveling in FFXI was not a grind....

Anyways, I do also want to say that FFXIV seems to have a very Final Fantasy vibe that wasn't present in 10-13...I'm liking it so far in terms of atmosphere. Been a while since Final Fantasy screamed Final Fantasy to me, haha.
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Gridania's storyline is superb and oozes final fantasy. The two characters that fell out of the airship are quirky, yet attaching. They are well-designed and well voiced by SE so bravo to SE. I recall a picture that shows the mithra from limsa, the two hume and lalafell from gridania, and some more from uldah together awaiting or preparing for a fight. I can conclude that the missions will intertwine with other cities and become a single main quest for all 3 cities. I look forward to the story very much, its a great change from FFXI. Its so much better.
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Coincidentally, Gridania is where I started. Although I'm slightly disappointed, Windurst gave me midgets and catgirls to hang around with....Gridania just gives me the cold shoulder and a bunch of hippie talk about woodsin and greenwrath, haha. Still, you're right, it's very Final Fantasy though.
#92 Sep 03 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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That's probably because they let soo many people into open beta at once and everyone is trying to kill the same **** at the same time. I didn't have any issues finding lots of mobs to fight in closed Beta. Presumably with "two" (CE/NE) start dates for the official beginning of the game and more things up and running that initial bottleneck won't be as bad.
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#93 Sep 03 2010 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I love the game. I have no qualms about it. Most of my FFXI friends love the game as well.

I honestly don't understand what people were expecting. I'll be in Eorzea for years to come.
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#94 Sep 03 2010 at 10:36 PM Rating: Default
After playing multiple MMO's There has only been one that kept my intrest for longer than a month,which was FFXI.I can throw out my opinions all day long at end of the day if I dont like something I move on.You are always going to have people that are always going to bi!@h and complain no matter how easy the developers make the game.I see alot of things that SE put into FFXIV that we demanded in XI xp for quests, more emphasis on crafting and a system to make gil and let us not forget the hours long waiting for parties to exp.once they did people must complain about it and try to compare it to other MMO's.I dont pay to play so I can level up over night.I dont play it wanting or needing to buy gil for RL money in order to enjoy higher quality items.In all fairness to SE they did take alot of concerns we had with XI and polished them in XIV.The people that compare it to other MMO's ,SE has done a way better job keeping things balanced more than any MMO developer.Everyone has a choice except it as a beta and also that every great MMO is forever changing,or leave.Any veteran XI player will tell you half the the fun of XI was adapting to the changes,no matter, how much we bi@#hed about it we adapted and found new ways to enjoy it.In all fairness to the ones trashing XIV if you dont like leave so the servers will clear up for the ones that really want to enjoy the world SE built for us to enjoy.Oh and if possible if you dont like it please stop posting about it so we can find posts that are actually ment to help the ones that want to play and need the help.
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I think there are several issues but I also think there are many more great aspects of the game. Any game still in its infancy is still going to have issues.

I'm going to go with a good analogy someone else brought up in the past.

Football fans tend to be very hard on their own team. They're very blunt about which players aren't that great and about what their team's weaknesses are. They can get very angry at their own team for all of their faults. But come game day, there's no one cheering harder for the team than them.

That's how I am about FFXIV. I'm very critical about the problems, but the problems are not enough to make me stop playing. My fiancee just bought a new 5770 for her computer and we both have XIV preordered and will be waiting outside of the store at 11:45.

I don't like the lack of a searchable marketplace at launch. I don't like the lack of easy targeting for mobs/NPCs (F8 for example). I don't like the fact that you can't promote/demote/boot/invite LS members unless they're in close proximity to you (I could live without the fourth but the other three are terribly inconvenient).

But you know what? I don't care. I mean, I -care-, but I don't complain because I dislike the game, but I complain because I want the game to be a success. I want to see the game do well. I want to play a game where I can recommend it to my friends and not have to explain to them "Yeah, that does kinda suck that it does that" about things.

Just like parents want their children to get good grades and sports fans want their team to win, I want my game to be great. And the only way to do that is to be critical of its faults.

There's a line between complaining and criticizing. And I won't dispute that a lot of people are doing their fair share of complaining. But at the same time, anyone that isn't criticizing is almost as bad. Don't look at something with rose colored glasses. Be willing to find faults and point them out. Some might say that your product is complete when there's nothing left to improve but I would say that a good product should be constantly improving.

I love the game and I want it to be a success.
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#96 Sep 03 2010 at 10:59 PM Rating: Good
I'm just saddened by the way the past 2 years or so have gone with SE. From insane bannings to the mini expansions to even the fact that after years and years of people saying 75 is the level cap and it will go no higher and then they pulled that out of their asses at what seemed last minute to keep people playing.

Add on top of that the fact that they didn't expect a bottlekneck on their servers after having a very successful MMO for years. It just makes no sense. I am trully afraid that the game wont be polished up when they release it due to the fact that the client side install would need to be going to press around now and depending on what that entails we may have a huge DL to go through just to patch all the bugs out of it.
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#97 Sep 03 2010 at 11:36 PM Rating: Good
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I think there are several issues but I also think there are many more great aspects of the game. Any game still in its infancy is still going to have issues.

I'm going to go with a good analogy someone else brought up in the past.

Football fans tend to be very hard on their own team. They're very blunt about which players aren't that great and about what their team's weaknesses are. They can get very angry at their own team for all of their faults. But come game day, there's no one cheering harder for the team than them.

That's how I am about FFXIV. I'm very critical about the problems, but the problems are not enough to make me stop playing. My fiancee just bought a new 5770 for her computer and we both have XIV preordered and will be waiting outside of the store at 11:45.

I don't like the lack of a searchable marketplace at launch. I don't like the lack of easy targeting for mobs/NPCs (F8 for example). I don't like the fact that you can't promote/demote/boot/invite LS members unless they're in close proximity to you (I could live without the fourth but the other three are terribly inconvenient).

But you know what? I don't care. I mean, I -care-, but I don't complain because I dislike the game, but I complain because I want the game to be a success. I want to see the game do well. I want to play a game where I can recommend it to my friends and not have to explain to them "Yeah, that does kinda suck that it does that" about things.

Just like parents want their children to get good grades and sports fans want their team to win, I want my game to be great. And the only way to do that is to be critical of its faults.

There's a line between complaining and criticizing. And I won't dispute that a lot of people are doing their fair share of complaining. But at the same time, anyone that isn't criticizing is almost as bad. Don't look at something with rose colored glasses. Be willing to find faults and point them out. Some might say that your product is complete when there's nothing left to improve but I would say that a good product should be constantly improving.

I love the game and I want it to be a success.


Very well said, dude. I hate how people can't criticize a game without being called trolls....and then on the other side you can't actually like a game either without being a fanboy. Happens with every bloody game nowadays...whatever happened to just looking at a game objectively?

That being said, I haven't found much to complain about in the game yet besides the poor performance and the lack of cohesive market searching. I really enjoy the retainer idea, I just want to have an easier time shopping when I know what I want to buy rather than 'Oh, I feel like window shopping, what's this guy have?'. Then again I only played for a few hours so far, so give it some time, haha.
#98 Sep 03 2010 at 11:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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The UI is actually worse than FFXI's, and that takes some doing.

FFXI's Keyboard and Gamepad UI was at least efficient in it's own way, FFXIV's UI is just bad no matter what you use.


To be perfectly honest, FFXI is a better game than this despite being an 8 year old EQ style grindfest. At least FFXI was good at what it set out to do.
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I thought of it first:

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#99 Sep 04 2010 at 2:16 AM Rating: Default
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my problems with wow's combat system... OPINION

1) set in stone best rotations make up 90% of the raid fights, there are some very cool fights (such as lich king you mentioned) but almost every boss I was pretty much facerolling my rotation then moving 3 steps to the left when my mod said to. There is plenty they can do with what they have, but they often choose not to, or the repetition removes it.

2) useless abilities, millions of them. I roll a certain class, and depending on what spec i choose, despite having 20+ attacks, I only ever use 5 of them and the rest I could remove from the bar and forget about, many abilities are made to be used with a certain spec and nothing else so what looks like a lot, isn't.

3) mods remove most thought process from raids, why watch the bosses actions when you can glaze your eyes hitting your perfect rotation until the mod says "run!" then you run. I watched people die on raids 20 lv's lower than them then say "my mod didn't tell me to run" even though they had 1hp, its hilarious. mods make it so we know everything a boss does before they do it for the most part its all clockwork and it makes it even more repetitive, as well as making those repeat runs even more boring.

4) difficulty curve, gearing up consists of slapping around helpless enemies who have no chance for a couple weeks, then you go to a raid, slap around helpless bosses for a month or so, THEN you try the hard fight(s) after a few weeks, you've outgeared them and slap them around too with nothing bigger to pick on. This is largely a WotLK problem since they lawlified their difficulty curve.

As you can see most of my problems lie with WotLK, I very much enjoyed WoW before that despite some personal annoyances.

Is FFXIV's? current form perfect? **** no. Does it have flaws? **** yes. It is in beta, yes it also close to retail, but that doesn't mean Open Beta = Retail, that also does not mean Retail = New Game, I am expecting most of what we see in OB now to be in release. The thing is it WILL change AFTER release as well, if your going to expect a polished and perfected mmo at release your doing it wrong, they take time to mature (there is a reason some people only play mmos 6months after release, but without the initial pioneers that would be impossible) and as such many of us displaying so much confidence in this game is because see the potential it has and what SE can do to greatly improve it form the near to far future. If you don't believe this try compare release WoW to how it is now, you won't even recognize it (especially after cata release ;) ) Or comparing JP release ffxi to how it is now (holy ****).

Just because we like this game and defend it doesn't make us fanboys or **suckers, perhaps we simply have a much higher opinion of this game and see its real potential much like you in yours? If that's being a fanboy then so are you, just for a different game. Which makes this entire thread moot since everything fanboys say is a lie.

If you want to try discuss how "bad" a game is, going to their fansites usually isn't the best place to do so either.


I gotta chime in here and add my two penneth, i play WoW and FFXI and Guild Wars and now FFXIV, each game is completely different in their own right and each game is one **** of a lot of fun, i'm sick of people hating on this and that and about whats best, just play the ******* game and have fun with it, your WoW critisism's fall on deaf ears here as you yourself have admitted to practicly cheating your way through the game, here's a hint: try playing the game without any mods, i think you'll find the experience slightly more difficult.
WoW and Guild Wars have PVP and both games excell at it and you have seriously gotta be a jaded miserable ******* if you can't enjoy these aspects of both games.
I'm off to play GW now later i'll be running a raid in WoW and tonight when the majority of my japanese friends are on i'll be kicking back and loving FFXIV.

Over n out!

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 4:18am by Elfishgene
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#101 Sep 04 2010 at 2:52 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I think there are several issues but I also think there are many more great aspects of the game. Any game still in its infancy is still going to have issues.

I'm going to go with a good analogy someone else brought up in the past.

Football fans tend to be very hard on their own team. They're very blunt about which players aren't that great and about what their team's weaknesses are. They can get very angry at their own team for all of their faults. But come game day, there's no one cheering harder for the team than them.

That's how I am about FFXIV. I'm very critical about the problems, but the problems are not enough to make me stop playing. My fiancee just bought a new 5770 for her computer and we both have XIV preordered and will be waiting outside of the store at 11:45.

I don't like the lack of a searchable marketplace at launch. I don't like the lack of easy targeting for mobs/NPCs (F8 for example). I don't like the fact that you can't promote/demote/boot/invite LS members unless they're in close proximity to you (I could live without the fourth but the other three are terribly inconvenient).

But you know what? I don't care. I mean, I -care-, but I don't complain because I dislike the game, but I complain because I want the game to be a success. I want to see the game do well. I want to play a game where I can recommend it to my friends and not have to explain to them "Yeah, that does kinda suck that it does that" about things.

Just like parents want their children to get good grades and sports fans want their team to win, I want my game to be great. And the only way to do that is to be critical of its faults.

There's a line between complaining and criticizing. And I won't dispute that a lot of people are doing their fair share of complaining. But at the same time, anyone that isn't criticizing is almost as bad. Don't look at something with rose colored glasses. Be willing to find faults and point them out. Some might say that your product is complete when there's nothing left to improve but I would say that a good product should be constantly improving.

I love the game and I want it to be a success.


I don't think it could be put better. I will be the first to admit that I am very critical of the game. I also have the CE preordered for both me and my wife. I spent $3000 building a new rig in anticipation of this game. The FF series is "my team." I love it. And when I am critical of it, it is because I want to see it succeed. Outright hatred and bashing of a game on forums achieves nothing, but at the same time refusing to discuss clear issues with a game and just spout off about why its the greatest game ever and everyone else is just a hater also achieves nothing.

The greatest thing we can do as a community right now is to admit and discuss the games flaws. When thousands of people express that the lack of camera controls on arrow keys is unacceptable something is done about it (it is currently being fixed.) But when any negative comments are queled by people that just can't stand to hear their game being criticized, nothing happens. After seeing the first guy get bashed into the ground anyone else that feels the same way won't dare come forward. Then it appears as a non-issue to the devs.

This game has awesome potential, but we are 3 weeks from release with 6 months worth of problems. I know it is common these days for companies to release half functional MMOs, but I expected more from SE. It feels like this game is being rushed to market when it could really use another 6 months in beta. I would hate to see this game fail because SE rushed it out the door before it was ready.
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