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#52 Sep 04 2010 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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and why is everybody bashing @WoW ?
it IS a great game and every new mmo must be measured with it.


Your credibility just went out the window. It is a mediocre game, it just has a crapload of mediocre content. Every game should be measured with it? That's the funniest joke I've ever heard, seriously man, hilarious. I like you, you made me lol.

EDIT: Check this out, if you think there is anything cool or good looking about this you have some issues lol:

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/8962/mechanohog.jpg

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A game that has mounts that are really cool and you don't have to run/walk at a snails pace - You are obviously biased and misinformed about wow as are many other people.

I ran all over limsa lowmimzzza today and I was constantly hoping that I would get a mount from the god of destruction.
#53 Sep 04 2010 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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it just has a crapload of mediocre content.

hmm, the problem i have: ffxiv beta is not even mediocre.

the WoW beta fascinated me(and obviously a lot of other people) right from the second I spawned in Aldrassil. there were a lot of mobs to kill. and quests to do. you had always quests to do. you fought your way to dolanaar and ....
that´s the part SE is failing in. i am grinding, I do 3-5 "leve"quests, and...? what else can I do except for grinding?
#54 Sep 04 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
This... this is why pretty much everything>WoW....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmy7Ze18NY
#55 Sep 04 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Default
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hmm, the problem i have: ffxiv beta is not even mediocre.

the WoW beta fascinated me(and obviously a lot of other people) right from the second I spawned in Aldrassil. there were a lot of mobs to kill. and quests to do. you had always quests to do. you fought your way to dolanaar and ....
that´s the part SE is failing in. i am grinding, I do 3-5 "leve"quests, and...? what else can I do except for grinding?


What you fail to realize, is that this game was made for fans of Final Fantasy, not Everquest, UO, and many other groundbreaking MMOs (guess where WoW stole most of their ideas...)

So, guess what? This will never be a 'contender' with WoW. Because it was never meant to be. It's for those of us that played Final Fantasy, on SNES 20yrs ago and want to have our own MMO.

Go back to WoW. Thanks.
#56 Sep 04 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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What you fail to realize, is that this game was made for fans of Final Fantasy, not Everquest, UO, and many other groundbreaking MMOs (guess where WoW stole most of their ideas...)



The irony is thick. First of all, Final Fantasy XI is as much or more of a descendant of EQ as WoW is. WoW is actually just a much more progressive version of EQ while FFXI was a sideways evolution. Different class structure, but same delicious camping and grinding. Second, EQ was really little more than a graphical revamp of DIKU MUD. There's nothing revolutionary about it apart from having 3D graphics.

Second, what you have to realize is that there are tens of millions of fans of Final Fantasy (the series, not the single MMO) who are going to feel the exact same way that the OP does, assuming they even try the game. Most of the WoW players you look down on probably play or have played Final Fantasy in at least one iteration. If they're confused or frustrated by FFXIV, it's got nothing to do with not liking or not understanding Final Fantasy and every thing to do with the design of FFXIV itself.

****, I remember the joy of Cecil and Ceres and Umaro and Kefka and all those other wonderful SNES final fantasy characters, and that doesn't in any way negate the issues with FFXIV. There are a lot of things I would tolerate back then that I won't tolerate now, because while the SNES might have been awesome at the time, it's pathetic by today's standards. I mean, I can run a SNES emulator and a PS-1 emulator on my smart phone while I talk on the phone and the thing doesn't miss a beat. When my PHONE can run circles around those games, you know they don't form a basis for reasonable comparison to a modern MMO.

Even in the console versions of Final Fantasy, when you die, there's at least some sort of feedback about what to do. It may seem laughable that some one can't figure out how to go into the menu and select "Return" but that's actually not that intuitive. Even in FFXI you're prompted to return to your home point. People WILL die, and then WILL sit there staring at the screen trying to figure out what they're supposed to do, and it will **** them off to not know. It's a complain that seems silly but will actually matter at release. The OP brings up many examples that may seem trivial to you, but they're the basic sorts of things that people take for granted and simply expect to find in a real, professionally made game.

Now if you like FFXIV just fine the way it is, then that's your opinion and that's fine. Will you still feel fine though if a year from now they scale back or halt development on the game because only 50,000 or 100,000 people play it? Because it's one thing to say "I don't care if FFXIV competes with WoW for numbers" and quite another to say "Square Enix isn't going to support FFXIV any more because it can't even pay the cost of its own development." It's baffling to me just how much time and money has gone into making the game look and sound great, and how little has gone into the details that make a game fun to play. Some body has to pay for that stuff before S-E invests even more, and if barely any one is playing then it's going to take a long time to reach that point, if ever.

Is S-E going to fix a lot of these issues eventually? Yes, probably they will. Is any one going to give the game a second chance, six months from now if they hate it at release? Probably not. By then, stuff like The Old Republic or Guild Wars 2 will be on the horizon and the appeal of playing an "old" game simply never matches up to the appeal of a new one.



Edited, Sep 5th 2010 12:13am by KarlHungis
#57 Sep 04 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Decent
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str0ntium wrote:
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hmm, the problem i have: ffxiv beta is not even mediocre.

the WoW beta fascinated me(and obviously a lot of other people) right from the second I spawned in Aldrassil. there were a lot of mobs to kill. and quests to do. you had always quests to do. you fought your way to dolanaar and ....
that´s the part SE is failing in. i am grinding, I do 3-5 "leve"quests, and...? what else can I do except for grinding?


What you fail to realize, is that this game was made for fans of Final Fantasy, not Everquest, UO, and many other groundbreaking MMOs (guess where WoW stole most of their ideas...)

So, guess what? This will never be a 'contender' with WoW. Because it was never meant to be. It's for those of us that played Final Fantasy, on SNES 20yrs ago and want to have our own MMO.

Go back to WoW. Thanks.


Funny, I played Final Fantasy on the NES and SNES 20 years ago and I've got a bunch of problems with the game as it currently stands.
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#58digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise, Posted: Sep 04 2010 at 10:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cool story bro
#59 Sep 04 2010 at 10:17 PM Rating: Default
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digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Cool story bro


people still say that?
#60str0ntium, Posted: Sep 04 2010 at 10:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Different strokes, for different folks...
#61str0ntium, Posted: Sep 04 2010 at 10:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I stopped reading, here.
#62 Sep 04 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Funny, I played Final Fantasy on the NES and SNES 20 years ago and I've got a bunch of problems with the game as it currently stands.


Different strokes, for different folks...


What I'm trying to get across is that using broad generalizations like this is a trap that all too many people fall in to "if you don't like it it's not for you"

One of the first things you learn in customer service (which I worked in for 6 years) is that people generally complain about something because they WANT to do business with you. They want to give you their money, but there's something discouraging them from doing so. Are there people who complain to hear the sound of their own voice? Yeah, but they are by far the minority. Believe me, if I'd written off FFXIV as something that I could never enjoy, I wouldn't still be here.. I'd spend my time doing other things. But I want to give them my money, and so I'm trying to be vocal about those aspects of the product that I don't like, and I'm trying to do so in as rational a tone as I can (I don't always succeed, especially if I'm entertaining myself).

When someone says "it's not for you, go back to wow" it shows that they aren't actually interested in having a discussion on the subject, they just want to establish some imaginary higher position on the issue of nothing by attempting to invalidate what the person said. My request here, is that if you have a differing opinion, you discuss it rationally and be open to ideas other than your own.
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#63str0ntium, Posted: Sep 04 2010 at 10:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your rebuke is well noted. And, I appreciate it. It puts things into perspective. I am, who I am. You are, who you are. The trolls are, who they are, etc...
#64 Sep 04 2010 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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Official video reply from SE to this thread can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q


And they made this video to announce their CPU usage.

Please, people, stop with the "It's just a beta" crap. What we see is what we'll get. Do you really believe that they're going to magically improve everything from their horrible UI to their game-destroying CPU lag to their misspellings and untranslated words?

Yeah, I still want to play it. I bought a whole new system rig for it, actually. But between the bugs, the lag, and the impossible UI, I think I'll use this new power on other games.
#65 Sep 04 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
i have to agree with you on this one. they are lacking a bunch of grade school stuff. but we all have to remember its the beta and Halo 3 beta SUCKED! and it turned out to be a pretty great game :) hoping this will have to same results
#66 Sep 04 2010 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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I tend to get irritated by people that not only complain, but badmouth. There is a difference. Complaining is one thing. Criticizing and comparing to other products comes across as just 'trollism', to me. But, that's me.


I don't know if I would consider such a thing being a troll. I mean it's all in how you word it. Saying like... 'This game sucks compared to that game' is definitely troll behavior, but what if one were to say something like 'I think FFXIV would be better if they implemented a craft that gives buffs to existing equipment, like enchanting from WoW'. Is that really trolling, or just supporting your claim with a similar idea?
#67 Sep 05 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Good
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What you fail to realize, is that this game was made for fans of Final Fantasy, not Everquest, UO, and many other groundbreaking MMOs (guess where WoW stole most of their ideas...)

So, guess what? This will never be a 'contender' with WoW. Because it was never meant to be. It's for those of us that played Final Fantasy, on SNES 20yrs ago and want to have our own MMO.

Go back to WoW. Thanks.


http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=293

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#68 Sep 05 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Good
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the WoW beta fascinated me(and obviously a lot of other people) right from the second I spawned in Aldrassil.


Yes because obviously no one is fascinated by FFXIV's beta.
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#69Doodwtf8, Posted: Sep 05 2010 at 1:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rjain cmon
#70 Sep 05 2010 at 1:17 AM Rating: Good
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Nyah...I just wish people would stop the silly 'go back to WoW' remarks. It's just childish and doesn't get anybody anywhere. Guess I'll throw in my two cents.

FFXIV definitely looks amazing. I can only imagine how nice it will look when most people can actually play it decently on maximum settings / resolution. It also does feel like a Final Fantasy to me so far. The scene in the lancer guild place in Gridania literally sent chills down my spine. It was so dramatic and surprising! But for some reason...it almost stops there.

Why's that? As many people have pointed out, the UI is a bit of a joke I find. It feels like...some sort of minimalism mixed with overly complicated controls. I think my two biggest complaints are how long it takes to navigate anywhere, and the chat window. Can't resize it, can't set font size, all the text goes so fast it's easy to miss something that might be important. Sure, chat filters might help, but I still think it looks rather meh. It also doesn't matter much if you're playing with a gamepad or keyboard / mouse. It's slow either way, and I fail to see the reason behind it. It's not bad when games take long to master, that's not the issue. But why must basic things take so long to complete? I can only hope it's not for hiding the lack of content at release.

I'm also a bit disappointed of the leve system. My personal opinion is...either implement a dense, exciting quest system, or just go without altogether. FFXI has been endless grinding, FFXIV will be the same, either way. The missions seem fun so far, but the guild leves, so far, feel totally uninteresting and unimportant. So in one game you can kill ten rats and gather their tails endlessly, in this one you can do it only so much, and then grind endlessly. Not entirely sure what's better.

I'm not hating the game by the way, and I have loved almost all Final Fantasies (except XIII which I absolutely couldn't get into). But I also played other MMOs...WoW (omigosh I said it, and I actually picked it up again because it's awesome for passing the time and doing fun stuff without running from A to B, taking half an hour), Aion, LotRO, EQII and whatnot. Certainly there's things in those games I would like to see in FFXIV. Like a user friendly UI. Like a simple way to target things without messing up half of the time, almost dying. And they just keep ya busy, without having to search around places for ages. Personally I believe something's wrong when you did your few leve quests and after that keep wondering what you should be doing now!? Yes I know ya can craft and explore and whatnot. Though...tried mining, and found it rather weird. No idea if I have figured it out yet.

To make it a bit shorter, I'm not yet sure what I should think of FFXIV in its current state. And it makes me sad, because I truly love the Final Fantasy games and yes I had high hopes for this one, despite being disappointed by XIII (first time ever). I pre-ordered the CE and I don't think I'll just go and cancel. Been waiting too long for this one. Will I truly enjoy the game in the future? I'd say it all depends on how SE goes about things. The way the game plays so far, I can't see them attracting many of the casual folk.

And in case my points didn't come across, I'm in no way trying to bash the game, I'd rather see it being good...really good. I just can't lie to myself though, as much as I'd like to. So, hopefully I didn't offend anybody's opinion. *chuckles*


EDIT: Typos and whatnot. =P

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 3:18am by FanciatheDragonkeeper

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 3:21am by FanciatheDragonkeeper
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#71 Sep 05 2010 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you SE for developing a game with sufficient complication to keep the idiots and the kids out.

Thankyou.

Pretty much every one of the OP issues can be resolved in game if you know what you are doing. Why look it up, when you can rant!

The game certainly has its fair share of issues - in fact, more than its fair share, but all of those criticisms show a lack of understanding of the game. I suggest that if you dont want to work at it, there are several fantastic mmos on the market that cater for people who want to switch off and just bash buttons.

Nothing wrong with button bashers - I am just so glad SE did not go down this road!

Also OB is way ahead of CB3 in terms of some of real problems, server lag and the like. I have just played for about 4 hours straight without any issues (except my cpu running at around 90 degrees throughout!).
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#72 Sep 05 2010 at 5:07 AM Rating: Default
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btw: how do I forge something? ;)
i put a forging hammer in my hand, and... ?
#73 Sep 05 2010 at 5:28 AM Rating: Decent
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MMOs do need to be compared to WoW, but not gameplay wise, because WoW has gone so casual.
But coding wise, it seems Blizzard actually puts a lot of effort in to not be lame, I am so used to WoW that when I play FFXIV I straight away think of lazy programmers when:
My Phalanx ability stays lit up as usable all the time.
An Angler shoots me without having line of site, and through a wall.
Melee mobs can attack me from a distance but I cant attack them.
Clunky clunky battle system due to battle UI not being like WoWs., cant click player health bars to heal, no feedback about cast time, global cooldown. Half the time the animations dont finish and I dont even know what ability I am using, probably due to lag but even without lag its inferior to WoWs, I am not asking for DPS meters or agro bars, just something that doesnt limit a players ability due to unintuative controls, I bet even a starcraft 2 pro wouldnt even be able to heal 100% in this game, cause.. oh **** the dd is standing infront of the off tank so I had to cycle through my party and then we wiped.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:35am by MaFi0s0
#74ashuramaru, Posted: Sep 05 2010 at 5:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't know how many times it has to be said, if you don't like it, don't play it. Honestly most people don't care if like it or not, it has no inflection on how they feel about it. the game isn't perfect, it most likely never will be, but what game is. if there is somthing you don't like about a non MMO you don't send letters to the developer ******** about it, sure people may go on forums and ***** but not to this extent. if you like enough of what does work you'll put up with the ****, if it bothers you that much then there are plenty of alternatives. Everyone is saying go back to WoW but there are plenty of alternatives out there, and just as many set for release in the next year.
#75 Sep 05 2010 at 5:46 AM Rating: Default
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This a FFXIV forum. NOT a, "I'm used to WoW and unwilling to try something new" forum. Or an “I want this to be a demo even thought it is a beta so I’m going to rage about it” forum. There are already 10,000 posts of this nature and frankly its getting old having to weed through them to get to useful and meaningful posts.

Can an admin lock this thread? It has long since turned into a ******* contest.
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#76 Sep 05 2010 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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food for thought

go play ffXIII and enjoy a 20 something hour tutorial ;) and then understand why reading a manual would be awesome hahaha. (not to say i didnt enjoy ffxiii.)

I will admit it. I did not read the manual. I toyed with the game forever. I heard people crying in the game "i died and i cant get up" so...i killed myself and was like "ah. well...oh. cool return".

i like this game because its not all spelled out for me. gives me hope that it might give me something i have never seen before.
#77 Sep 05 2010 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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I spent about 20 minutes in FFXI stuck in my mog house on my first day.

After about 15 minutes, I said to myself - thats it, I am not going to play this game, it is a load of rubbish.....

I stuck it for about 5 years after that first day.

Dont hate because you have no idea what you are doing. Give it a serious go first and if you still dont like it - dont play!
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#78 Sep 05 2010 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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he irony is thick. First of all, Final Fantasy XI is as much or more of a descendant of EQ as WoW is. WoW is actually just a much more progressive version of EQ while FFXI was a sideways evolution. Different class structure, but same delicious camping and grinding. Second, EQ was really little more than a graphical revamp of DIKU MUD. There's nothing revolutionary about it apart from having 3D graphics.


I stopped reading, here.

1. EQ was PvP based.


Saying EQ was PvP based is like saying that a salad fork is a beverage. It's some thing you could only say if you had literally no knowledge of what you're talking about. Just don't ever talk about the history of MMOs and you should be okay.

Also, saying "I stopped reading right there" is basically code for "I am here to troll, not to have a discussion." Because it's either true, and you've made yourself deliberately ignorant by not reading the entire message that some one created (in which case, how can you possibly engage in a discussion?), or it's not true, and you're just trying to provoke an emotional reaction. Either way, it's trollish.



Edited, Sep 5th 2010 9:45am by KarlHungis
#79 Sep 05 2010 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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the WoW beta fascinated me(and obviously a lot of other people) right from the second I spawned in Aldrassil.


Yes because obviously no one is fascinated by FFXIV's beta.


Who said that no one is fascinated or enjoying it?
#80 Sep 05 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
I think he was being facetious...
#81 Sep 05 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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A game that has mounts that are really cool and you don't have to run/walk at a snails pace - You are obviously biased and misinformed about wow as are many other people.


I was actually talking about the horrible textures and gigantic polygons.

EDIT: BTW this came out the same year as vanilla WoW: http://g33kg0dd3ss.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eq2_000005.jpg

Weird no giant polygons or terrible textures...

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 12:21pm by BRizzl3
#82 Sep 05 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
BRizzl3 wrote:

Weird no giant polygons or terrible textures...



Sadly, when you see those models move, they aren't very impressive. WoW's character animations are much more fluid and life like.

WoW's textures are low quality even compared to FFXI, which came out two years prior to WoW. Low polygon counts made the game perform well even on low end systems though, so I have no complaints there. When you have places like Dalaran where you've got some times hundreds of people in sight of each other, you start to appreciate some of those decisions again. Yea, I still remember the wonderful feeling in Jeuno or Whitegate of not being able to see some one who was 5 feet from me because the game engine couldn't render the full number of people who were around when crowds got too large.

WoW definitely loses out on graphics to virtually every other MMO that's currently on the market, but what that tells you is that as much as we all love pretty games, there are other much more important factors for success.
#83 Sep 05 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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KarlHungis Delivers on Time wrote:
BRizzl3 wrote:

Weird no giant polygons or terrible textures...



Sadly, when you see those models move, they aren't very impressive. WoW's character animations are much more fluid and life like.

WoW's textures are low quality even compared to FFXI, which came out two years prior to WoW. Low polygon counts made the game perform well even on low end systems though, so I have no complaints there. When you have places like Dalaran where you've got some times hundreds of people in sight of each other, you start to appreciate some of those decisions again. Yea, I still remember the wonderful feeling in Jeuno or Whitegate of not being able to see some one who was 5 feet from me because the game engine couldn't render the full number of people who were around when crowds got too large.

WoW definitely loses out on graphics to virtually every other MMO that's currently on the market, but what that tells you is that as much as we all love pretty games, there are other much more important factors for success.


Yet another good post rated down just because the word "WoW" is in it.

Edit: I re-read that and realized it sounded like I was the one rating down >.< I rated up for quality, and am constantly disappointed by the fact that it was rated down to default by the "if it says WoW I must rate down" crowd.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 12:43pm by DesmondTierney
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My main personal problems with WoW's graphics is after Cataclysm, everything is going t have the new prettier/cooler textures...except the base races, which look like some kind of rejects compared to everything around them and especially the new races. I really wish they would make updated models for them then allow players to just choose which they want to see (ala EQ2, that way those people who like the old ones better can use them).
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Yet another good post rated down just because the word "WoW" is in it.

It's pretty funny, if you bash WoW you get rated down, if you defend WoW...you get rated down. There just isn't any winning.
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I don't know why WoW gets so much hate. It might have turned in to a care-bear piece of **** now, but they got a lot of stuff right. The gameplay just flows nicely, it's user friendly and easy to get the hang of. The UI is nice and responsive and easy to customize and use. Other games should take note of things like this, because Blizzard got it right. Seems like whenever someone suggests this, they're accused of wanting every other game to be a WoW clone though.
#87 Sep 05 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Sadly, when you see those models move, they aren't very impressive. WoW's character animations are much more fluid and life like.


I was told this by a lot of people. So i said "Okay, I'll go load up the WoW free trial on my computer". Turned everything to max settings, made a Night Elf Hunter... the animations were horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvFDOVqmSD4

I'm not impressed.
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I was told this by a lot of people. So i said "Okay, I'll go load up the WoW free trial on my computer". Turned everything to max settings, made a Night Elf Hunter... the animations were horrible.


The old races fail hard compared to the newer 4 (2 of which aren't out yet obviously) they really need to update, especially as I said in prior post ow much they are gonna stick out when the world is remade...
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1. EQ was PvP based.


I don't know what EQ you were playing but in the one I played the only PvP was dueling.
#91 Sep 05 2010 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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WoW definitely loses out on graphics to virtually every other MMO that's currently on the market, but what that tells you is that as much as we all love pretty games, there are other much more important factors for success.


Wow has become what it is by emphasizing the fun aspect. Take the tons of pop culture references. Two things about WOW. Blizzard likes to put on the appearance of being a friendly company. SE definitely does not. Wow is challenging in places but not frustrating, for the most part. SE doesn't seem to know the difference
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#92 Sep 05 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thank you SE for developing a game with sufficient complication to keep the idiots and the kids out.

Thankyou.

Pretty much every one of the OP issues can be resolved in game if you know what you are doing. Why look it up, when you can rant!

The game certainly has its fair share of issues - in fact, more than its fair share, but all of those criticisms show a lack of understanding of the game. I suggest that if you dont want to work at it, there are several fantastic mmos on the market that cater for people who want to switch off and just bash buttons.

Nothing wrong with button bashers - I am just so glad SE did not go down this road!

Also OB is way ahead of CB3 in terms of some of real problems, server lag and the like. I have just played for about 4 hours straight without any issues (except my cpu running at around 90 degrees throughout!).]


Most people aren't complaining that it's complicated, they're just stating that most things work like a piece of ****. The UI which seems to be the most common complaint, isn't complicated, it's just laggy, ugly and not convenient at all. I have a 28 inch PC monitor, I stretched out the chat screen and it's still brutal to look at. You go to set skills (SUPER COMPLICATED!), and it lags like mad and takes 10 seconds for it to show up in your tool bar. Then last night, fighting on my archer, run out of arrows, ok, going to use the refill skill, nope... ok time to equip some, nope. Ok, I have to disengage, equip it, re-engage. Again, not complicated, just retarded. Then you go to target mobs, again, this requires precision beyond anything! So I hit my d-pad, (whew, that was rough), and it targets the mob furthest from me, ok, maybe this one... nope that targets me, ok try another one, and it targets that far mob again...maybe this one, nope, another mob.

None of this stuff, which seems to be common gripes, is complicated, I know how to do it, I press the proper stuff, but dear god is it long and dragged out for nothing.
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1. EQ was PvP based.


I don't know what EQ you were playing but in the one I played the only PvP was dueling.


Perhaps you are thinking of EQII... Not the same game.
#94 Sep 05 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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1. EQ was PvP based.


I don't know what EQ you were playing but in the one I played the only PvP was dueling.


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"Lots of ppls don't know that the PoD is also good at smacktalk! Look what he says to the stupid neuts."
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Oh yeah forgot about PoD. That was 100% optional though, I never did it just because it was like "Turn this option on and get ganked forever!" lol not fun.
#96 Sep 05 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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str0ntium wrote:
Whatever, dude...


It's not his fault you can't handle being told the truth.
#97 Sep 05 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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Yet another good post rated down just because the word "WoW" is in it.

It's pretty funny, if you bash WoW you get rated down, if you defend WoW...you get rated down. There just isn't any winning.


The best part is that my post wasn't really fully praising or slamming it. It was more like "Well there's some pros and cons to the graphic style" so it really is just a matter of even mentioning it, I guess.



Edited, Sep 5th 2010 8:46pm by KarlHungis
#98 Sep 05 2010 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Sadly, when you see those models move, they aren't very impressive. WoW's character animations are much more fluid and life like.


I was told this by a lot of people. So i said "Okay, I'll go load up the WoW free trial on my computer". Turned everything to max settings, made a Night Elf Hunter... the animations were horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvFDOVqmSD4

I'm not impressed.


Sorry, I wasn't even trying to say that WoW's animations are amazing, more that EQ2 characters look like they have a stick up their ****. I didn't like the animations at all. Although I can't put my finger on why, the game also looked very flat and dreary to me. Like the light places aren't light enough and the dark places aren't really dark.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 1:26pm by KarlHungis
#99 Sep 05 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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First of all,
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Second of all, [quote=atwerq]targeting something is too hard


I don't like criticisms that are themselves deserving of intense criticism.
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wahhhh I can't figure out even the most obvious basics of the game!!

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