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#1 Sep 04 2010 at 7:52 PM Rating: Good
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I will admit I don't know much about gaming machines, but I built (with the help of a friend who does know a lot about the stuff) a PC for FFXIV. I don't know if its my machine or what, but the game is pretty much unplayable.

I don't know if its the system requirements killing my machine, my Internet service, or the server loads, but its beyond laggy. My FPS must be insanely low, it takes 20 seconds for NPCs to spawn. My connection is almost always yellow. I assume that is bad. I'm out of ideas on what to try next and am getting depressed. I already put the graphics on the lowest setting they will go and doesn't seem to make any difference.

Any one else having this much trouble?
#2 Sep 04 2010 at 7:54 PM Rating: Good
Well what kind of specs does your pc have?
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#3 Sep 04 2010 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you tried running it windowed in one resolution lower than your normal res? This is what fixed it for me.
#4 Sep 04 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know what specs you need to know. Here is what is listed under System Properties, General tab:

System:
Microsoft Windows XP
Professional
Version 2002
Service Pack 3

Computer:
AMD Athlon Dual Core
Processor 4850e
2.50 GHz, 3.25 GB of RAM
Physical Address Extention

Is there more you would have to know if I should be ok running it? Or see any bottlenecks as to why the game is sucking.

I have tried running it on pretty much every resolution and putting all graphic effects to lowest level.
#5 Sep 04 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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What about your graphics card specs?
#6 Sep 04 2010 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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Another XP SP3/Athlon Dual-Core user with what are probably CPU woes.

Open the Task Manager before you open the game. Are you getting the same CPU murdering I am?
#7 Sep 04 2010 at 8:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Vawn43 wrote:
I don't know what specs you need to know. Here is what is listed under System Properties, General tab:

System:
Microsoft Windows XP
Professional
Version 2002
Service Pack 3

Computer:
AMD Athlon Dual Core
Processor 4850e
2.50 GHz, 3.25 GB of RAM
Physical Address Extention

Is there more you would have to know if I should be ok running it? Or see any bottlenecks as to why the game is sucking.

I have tried running it on pretty much every resolution and putting all graphic effects to lowest level.


I dunno, if that's the stuff he came up for a rig that will play ff14, he may not know as much about computer as you think, unless your budget is $300. I'm not even sure that CPU meets the minimum requirement for the game (Do they sell this CPU anymore?). I don't know what kind of video card you have (that's if you have any to begin with), but my guess is it is at the bottom of the video card food chain. 3.25G of RAM? How?



Edited, Sep 4th 2010 10:30pm by OneFatAngel

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 10:38pm by OneFatAngel
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#8 Sep 04 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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3.25 GB of ram is because of his windows version. So he has around 775 mb video ram. His overall ram must be higher, but he is capped at 4 gig of overall ram + video ram on his system. 3.25 is an odd number though.

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To run this game smoothly and with lot's of things turned on, you need 4 cores and a very good video card. The game is optimized for intel processors, so if you are on a 2 core AMD, it most likely will not run the way you expected.

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 10:39pm by Parsalyn
#9 Sep 04 2010 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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Not enough information, but your CPU does seem a bit dated. Are you running integrated graphics w/ ~750 MB shared memory? I'm not going to say your friend doesn't know about computers, but it would seem that he doesn't know enough about FFXIV to understand what you needed.
#10 Sep 04 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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my pc is pretty sh*tty, i gotta benchmark score of just 2100 but this game runs fine =)

windows 7 ultimate
essor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4096MB RAM
Page File: 1881MB used, 6307MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11

NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 10:42pm by bushpig

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 10:42pm by bushpig
#11 Sep 04 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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3.25 GB of ram is because of his windows version. So he has around 775 mb video ram. His overall ram must be higher, but he is capped at 4 gig of overall ram + video ram on his system. 3.25 is an odd number though.


Doesn't PAE circumvent that cap, or doesn't it have that effect on XP Pro? Sorry, I work primarily on servers so I've never looked into the applicability of PAE on a desktop OS.
#12 Sep 04 2010 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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bunsisbuns wrote:
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3.25 GB of ram is because of his windows version. So he has around 775 mb video ram. His overall ram must be higher, but he is capped at 4 gig of overall ram + video ram on his system. 3.25 is an odd number though.


Doesn't PAE circumvent that cap, or doesn't it have that effect on XP Pro? Sorry, I work primarily on servers so I've never looked into the applicability of PAE on a desktop OS.


That is beyond my knowledge. Someone like you or others may know more, I have hit the wall :)
#13 Sep 04 2010 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't PAE circumvent that cap, or doesn't it have that effect on XP Pro? Sorry, I work primarily on servers so I've never looked into the applicability of PAE on a desktop OS.


PAE IS that cap. It has to do with the fact that x86 systems are limited to the first 2 GB of memory ADDRESSES, not memory. That means that from 2-3 GB of ADDRESSES, not memory, is reserved for things like sound card, video card, pci card, etc... memory.

It's referred to as Physical Address Extensions.

Think of it as an apartment. You only have so many rooms. And, MS reserved the 3rd floor for system resources.

In this way, you get what is left over after you hit the 2GB limit. If you have 3.25GB out of 4GB RAM showing, that means that your video card + sound card are pretty much adding up to 0.75GB. You get what is left over, basically, out of that 4GB.

Edit: Typos galore.



Edited, Sep 4th 2010 11:00pm by str0ntium
#14 Sep 04 2010 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmm, sorry I suck at this stuff. I don't know where to check all my system specs. Going off the boxes I have,

I got a Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Card. If someone will tell me how to check other system specs, I'd gladly post what they are. I am looking at running the benchmark now and will post my score for that once done.

Thanks for your support guys.
#15 Sep 04 2010 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm, sorry I suck at this stuff. I don't know where to check all my system specs. Going off the boxes I have,

I got a Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Card. If someone will tell me how to check other system specs, I'd gladly post what they are. I am looking at running the benchmark now and will post my score for that once done.

Thanks for your support guys


The easiest way I can think of to consolidate your system info is to go to the Start Menu, select "Run..." and type in the resulting box "dxdiag". Click the button labeled "Save information", on the bottom.
#16 Sep 04 2010 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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Vawn43 wrote:
Hmmm, sorry I suck at this stuff. I don't know where to check all my system specs. Going off the boxes I have,

I got a Radeon HD 5770 Graphics Card. If someone will tell me how to check other system specs, I'd gladly post what they are. I am looking at running the benchmark now and will post my score for that once done.

Thanks for your support guys.


Now that's better. What get you stuck is most likely the CPU. If you have an Athlon II x2 or a Phenom II x2 then you will be in ok shape. A Phenom II x4 will put in decent shape. A Phenom II x6 will put you in good shape.
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#17 Sep 04 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Just to prevent misinformation, the reason he is showing 3.25 gigs in the system section of control panel is more than likely because he has 4 gigabytes or more of ram in a system running a 32 bit Operating system.

The only difference between a 32 bit OS and a 64 bit OS is that the latter can address more memory(64 bit memory address instead of 32).

A 32 bit system can only address somewhere between 3.7 and 3.8 gigs of ram, windows just caps it at 3.5. He probably has an integrated card that has turbo cache or w/e and its soaking up 256 meg of ram (if not then he just has an odd configuration of memory).
#18 Sep 04 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks. Was a long file, just copied System Information and Display Devices

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System Information
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Time of this report: 9/4/2010, 22:05:17
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.100427-1636)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Unknow
System Model: Unknow
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.5GHz
Memory: 3326MB RAM
Page File: 550MB used, 4659MB available
Windows Dir: F:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode


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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x68B8)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS_22881787&REV_00
Display Memory: 1024.0 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7093 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 5/27/2010 11:58:50, 299520 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 5/27/2010 12:37:06, 4830720 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-2BF8-11CF-826F-8202A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x68B8
SubSys ID: 0x22881787
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
#19 Sep 04 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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Alright, back to basics.

I don't know much about ati, but I would update your drivers. Do each step and check to see if it is fixed. Then proceed to the next step if it is not.

1. Download and Update your videocard driver
2. Download and Update your motherboard driver
3. Try a different resolution
4. You might be over heating. Ask someone on here for cooling advice.

What kind of internet do you have? speed etc.

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Post what graphic settings you turned on with the FFXIVconfig.exe

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 11:14pm by Parsalyn
#20 Sep 04 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Just to prevent misinformation, the reason he is showing 3.25 gigs in the system section of control panel is more than likely because he has 4 gigabytes or more of ram in a system running a 32 bit Operating system.

The only difference between a 32 bit OS and a 64 bit OS is that the latter can address more memory(64 bit memory address instead of 32).

A 32 bit system can only address somewhere between 3.7 and 3.8 gigs of ram, windows just caps it at 3.5. He probably has an integrated card that has turbo cache or w/e and its soaking up 256 meg of ram (if not then he just has an odd configuration of memory).


Windows doesn't 'cap' anything. It's a limitation on memory addresses. The space, from 2-3GB is reserved for system resources. Anyone with a modern day rig, will have less than 3.5GB available due to the shear fact that their video card is at least 512MB.

#21 Sep 04 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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So I ran the benchmark and it gave me a score of 905. I assume that is pretty ******?
#22 Sep 04 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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Parsalyn wrote:
Alright, back to basics.

I don't know much about ati, but I would update your drivers. Do each step and check to see if it is fixed. Then proceed to the next step if it is not.

1. Download and Update your videocard driver
2. Download and Update your motherboard driver
3. Try a different resolution
4. You might be over heating. Ask someone on here for cooling advice.

What kind of internet do you have? speed etc.

Edit*
Post what graphic settings you turned on with the FFXIVconfig.exe

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 11:14pm by Parsalyn


Thanks for all the help guys, I appreciate it.

My Internet is Time Warner Cable, broadband. I assume it is ok, everything else (including FFXI) doesn't have any trouble. I even disabled my router and am going straight from the modem, but that didn't end up helping anything.

As far as resolutions, I've tried as low as I can make it go. I turned off all graphic options, such as shadows, etc and put everything else to "lowest". I tried setting Buffer Size to "Half", which makes the game look like an early Sega Saturn title, yet it still plays like crap.

As for steps one and two, can you be more specific? I'm sorry, I just don't know how I go about doing that.

Thanks again guys.
#23 Sep 04 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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One more question please. Should I mess with the Network settings in the config? I kept it at default uPnP Mapping: "Automatic".
#24 Sep 04 2010 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
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So I ran the benchmark and it gave me a score of 905. I assume that is pretty sh*tty?


I'd say so. Your processor is probably the culprit. The video card would not seem to be your bottleneck. I pulled 1475 with a C2D E6600 and a 4870. That setup lagged pretty badly, in OB. Replaced the 4870 (since I'm going to slap an i-7 box together soon, anyway) nVidia GTX 465 in there and went up to 2200 on high.

Also, started using a 360 wired controller (you can get them from Gamespot) and that removed the interface lag caused by the software cursor.

Really, that's the way this game should be played, anyway. This is Final Fantasy, not WoW.
#25 Sep 04 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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One more question please. Should I mess with the Network settings in the config? I kept it at default uPnP Mapping: "Automatic".


I'd say it won't make much difference.
#26 Sep 04 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, I went to ati.amd.com and selected to download a graphics driver and installed it. I was confused if what I was doing was doing anything, but I ran the bench mark and got a score of 1872 this time. I guess that is still pretty bad, but a lot better than 900. Both tests were on low.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 12:11am by Vawn43
#27 Sep 04 2010 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I went to ati.amd.com and selected to download a graphics driver and installed it. I was confused if what I was doing was doing anything, but I ran the bench mark and got a score of 1872 this time. I guess that is still pretty bad, but a lot better than 900. Both tests were on low.


That changes things a bit. You should be able to run the game, fine, in windowed mode at native res without too many problems. Make sure you investigate the 360 controller option, as well.

Good luck!
#28 Sep 04 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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I am using a wireless 360 controller at the moment. My problems isn't so much the response to my controls, but the FPS seems very, very low. Constant jumping around. Also, the lag is pretty bad. I'll be fighting a mob who looks like he has 10% hp left, and when I attack I get messages saying "you can't attack a dead target" or something like that. Then eventually it shows up dead.
#29 Sep 05 2010 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Another XP SP3/Athlon Dual-Core user with what are probably CPU woes.

Open the Task Manager before you open the game. Are you getting the same CPU murdering I am?


I tried this and, yes, the entire time FFXIV is running my CPU is at 100%. Does that confirm it is the problem?

My friend sent me links to buy the graphics card, memory, etc, but sold me this computer he wasn't using. I'm not going to be happy if he was just trying to pawn it off and sold me a POS.
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Hmmm....seems like not a lot of choice for you, since the chip runs on AMD2 socket.

Maybe this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103279
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#31 Sep 05 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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If the CPU is constantly at 100% that isn't a good sign and it really seems to be the problem.

May be you can upgrade the CPU without buying a new Motherboard and stuff but we need to know what Socket you got.

Here's a programm that can tell you such things.
http://www.sisoftware.net/?d=&f=downandbuy&l=en&a=

If the socket is AM2+ you can get lucky and get a cheap upgrade.
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#32 Sep 05 2010 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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There's one thing that helped me a lot. My computer is pretty darn good, so I maxed out the setting and it just died on it ****. This was the first time I'd seen it happen since Crysis.

I kept lowering the res and it didn't help, but then I found switching off the two optional graphics settings (optical occlusion and depth of field or something?) made more difference than everything else put together.

Now I can pretty much max everything else and still get fairly good results.


I guess it's just optimised for the PS3.
#33 Sep 05 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Default
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Yup, it's the same as me. Only I sometimes get a mere 90% which lets it run semi-fluidly. Sometimes. Not usually.

The game also uses 50% CPU at the title screen (Three billion instructions per second to show TWO BUTTONS!) for me and it's likely that it's doing the same thing to you.

I'm not going to upgrade my CPU. SE can upgrade their game if they want me to buy it.
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