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#1 Sep 05 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
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So far no one is talking on Gyshal. I can shout in town asking a simple question and won't get a response. I've only ever seen one shout for a party. not a single person on the ship ride out of like 20 said a word. I mean its like playing a single player game.

Do you think the games going to stay like this? I'm hoping it doesn't...
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Cornelia is packed with people, lots of chat going on there.
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#3 Sep 05 2010 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope it gets better though on cornelia we do have more going on, I'm usually the one answering said shouts though. Had 5 people on boat, we ran around spamming emotes at each other which was fun >.>
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fun :p well that good to hear then. i hope whatever server i get on ends up with people like you :p
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Well... Shouting is rude.
Do you stand in the middle of a grocery store and shout if you can't find the canned corn?
I didn't think so.
People didn't shout much in FFXI, it would most likely get you blacklisted by people if you continued on more than a few times. Conversations are generally typed out in LS chat. If you don't have an LS, get one. Answers to almost every question can be found with minimal effort without resorting to shouting in areas.

If you insist on having conversations in shout mode, don't be surprised if you are blacklisted by half the server
#6 Sep 05 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Well... Shouting is rude.
Do you stand in the middle of a grocery store and shout if you can't find the canned corn?
I didn't think so.
People didn't shout much in FFXI, it would most likely get you blacklisted by people if you continued on more than a few times. Conversations are generally typed out in LS chat. If you don't have an LS, get one. Answers to almost every question can be found with minimal effort without resorting to shouting in areas.

If you insist on having conversations in shout mode, don't be surprised if you are blacklisted by half the server


Not much difference between having a shout conversation and standing next to someone having a conversation in /say. I guess with a shout conversation, you run the risk of trapping uptight people in your radius who will then get offended because the orange text tells them that someone is shouting instead of the white text that would indicate someone is speaking in a normal voice. It's like when I had a nasty case of laryngitis a few years back and had to write everything down on a notepad and show it to people. I used a blue pen, but I probably would have gotten beat up if I had used a black one.

I find it hard to believe people from a game that routinely harps on the strength of its community would, after all this time, still have such an **** retentive view on simple communication. Shouting stupidity, sure. In FFXI it was called Lower Jeuno (and later Whitegate) when I played. In WoW, it's called Barrens chat or trade chat. Every MMO is going to have doorknobs who abuse the social aspects for attention, but generalizing all conversation outside of private/exclusive channels as being worthy of a blacklisting is ludicrous. Be an asset to the community by just saying "no" to uptight social conventions. You'll wind up looking like less of a hypocrite.
#7jakarai, Posted: Sep 05 2010 at 12:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No one talking has to do with half the people being Japanese. I wish SE would have servers by region so this won't be an issue. There is no point in putting Japanese and English speaking people on the same servers if the community is going to segregate itself anyway.
#8 Sep 05 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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If you insist on having conversations in shout mode, don't be surprised if you are blacklisted by half the server
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I'm surprised you managed 3 level 75s with your mentality everyone should've blacklisted you. People hated spammer in FFXI, people didn't hate people who used the shout channel.

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No one talking has to do with half the people being Japanese.


WTF no. The servers are pretty much well mixed at this point and when its NA prime time I doubt the problem are the Japanese unless their snoring is drowning out our voices. Plus the Japanese are actually social for a change - I haven't seen any party recruits other than Japanese ones, and I see them always getting people together doing Behests, doing Faction leves etc. I've also joined a few of those myself with them..

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If you insist on having conversations in shout mode, don't be surprised if you are blacklisted by half the server
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I'm surprised you managed 3 level 75s with your mentality everyone should've blacklisted you. People hated spammer in FFXI, people didn't hate people who used the shout channel.


If you want to have a conversation with someone, do it in tell so the 99% of people who could care less what you're saying don't have to watch it scroll across their screen. It's simple manners.
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If you want to have a conversation with someone, do it in tell so the 99% of people who could care less what you're saying don't have to watch it scroll across their screen. It's simple manners.


Yea of course I agree with this..that isn't what your post said though, maybe word it better. I was saying its not a big deal if people use /shout to ask a question or two, look for a party, etc.

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If you insist on having conversations in shout mode, don't be surprised if you are blacklisted by half the server
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I'm surprised you managed 3 level 75s with your mentality everyone should've blacklisted you. People hated spammer in FFXI, people didn't hate people who used the shout channel.


If you want to have a conversation with someone, do it in tell so the 99% of people who could care less what you're saying don't have to watch it scroll across their screen. It's simple manners.


Sure, there are times when people could be better with their choice of chatmode, but as long as they're not too annoying or abusing it I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt. Certainly not gonna ignore someone's question because they failed to use the acceptable method of chatting. Unless I don't know the answer I guess...
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#12jakarai, Posted: Sep 05 2010 at 1:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL okay im sure a japanese person is going to answer you when you ask where to go next for your quest...
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Shout conversations are annoying but nothing wrong with someone shouting a question they need answered then someone starting tells with them to discuss it.

Also, I' glad the servers aren't regional, you can play at any time and still have people, back in XI I played at odd hours for NA so I mostly grouped with JP, just use the auto-translate. Sure you can't have a normal conversation likely, but you can communicate just fine.
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#14 Sep 05 2010 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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shout convos are fun though :p
its just when ffxi came out lots of ppl used shot and randomly talked to each other.
it was -very- social, which is what made it fun for the first few years

this game on the other hand seems to be dead at least on my server. no random teaming up, no shout convos, no one even saying hi when they start the game :p
But -lots- of japanese.... so i think they are being social lol
#15 Sep 05 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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LOL okay im sure a japanese person is going to answer you when you ask where to go next for your quest...


They've been more helpful than idiots like you. I don't know what you're even getting at, FFXI is almost a decade old the the mix in servers worked out great...go figure.
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I imagine the community will become more social... But by release? Eh, dunno.
I've only had two people talk to me... A person from another forum, and someone asking for directions. XD
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#17 Sep 05 2010 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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You know what shout conversations lead to... Inevitably it's just to see who can make the stupidest joke, like ChuckNorris crap, and eventually it leads to racist and sexist remarks, because there's always one person who just can't control themselves.
I have 'no' problems with someone asking a question, or the occasional shout for grouping.
Anything more than that generally leads to stupidity.


Edited, Sep 5th 2010 3:23am by ShonaSeraph
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LOL okay im sure a japanese person is going to answer you when you ask where to go next for your quest...


They've been more helpful than idiots like you. I don't know what you're even getting at, FFXI is almost a decade old the the mix in servers worked out great...go figure.


Yeah that explains why so many quite cause they sit around for 4-5 hours waiting for a party invite. I am an idiot because I am telling the truth? go figure. WTF how do you know how helpful I am? I guess you are on my server and know who I am. Party invite situation could have been fixed if half the people I was playing with wanted to party with me or should I say didn't want to party with me just because I didn't know japanese.

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#19SolidMack, Posted: Sep 05 2010 at 1:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) omg!! thank goodness you brought up this point, we should report it to SE before its too late -.- (<<stupid joke #1)
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You know what shout conversations lead to... Inevitably it's just to see who can make the stupidest joke, like ChuckNorris crap, and eventually it leads to racist and sexist remarks, because there's always one person who just can't control themselves.


when ffxi started ppl in san'doria on kujata would say goodnight when they logged off or have random convos about evil bunnies. there were never any serious problems and a lot of ppl on the server all knew each other. It was fun and made the game better since you knew the people around you.
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Gotta remember this game is in beta stage - nobody should be stressing if its an uncomfortable experience, due to shout conversations. The game is really shaky right now, and a large amount of people don't know what they're doing - it's perfectly acceptable for there to be more shouted questions than normal, because people need to ask at this point.

Also yeah I'm kinda sick of the anti-socialness of english-speaking people in beta too. In closed beta, I had to create every party I was in because nobody was doing anything. I could stand at the aethyrte and ask everybody if they wanted a party and just get no responses whatsoever.

Meanwhile I see these 10+ people Japanese parties run by... sigh ._. C'mon people, we're playing an MMO.
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#22 Sep 05 2010 at 1:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you want a more social server, be more social. Positivity is contagious.
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I don't see many people on Selbina helping out with questions, but I've always offered my help when I could. I've been trying to test out the party system a lot and have made about 10 "friends" just joining parties or asking to join. Most of the time I get ignored though. It really isn't as social as FFXI at all.

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My guess is that it's the lack of AH and/or people not bothering with retainers. I don't even know where they set up bazaars and just use my retainer for storage. Even come release, how are we supposed to know what price to set things at in bazaars without a history or something like in the AH? I just don't want to invest SO much time into solo-researching the market price for items I want to sell. I'd much rather make my own objects or just not bother at all.


Edit: The second paragraph made sense in my head, I swear.

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#24 Sep 05 2010 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
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If you want a more social server, be more social. Positivity is contagious.


Totally agree with this. I'm thinking a big part of the problem IS because noone knows what they're doing but also I believe that alot of people coming from other recent games have gotten so used to how it has become in so many other games..ie: People who either think they're funny and spam the chat, or the people who cant answer a single question without telling you to "Go look it up noob!"

This eventually leads to people just not bothering to talk at all unless it's to someone in their guild or linkshell.
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#26 Sep 05 2010 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I find there is a slight command lag for me, which is kind of annoying so I type less than I normally would. I really do hope the solo aspect of the game doesn't kill the social aspect. It does feel strange seeing so many people and no one is talking.
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#27 Sep 05 2010 at 2:21 AM Rating: Default
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This community won't hit stride for a few months.
Not until after Cataclysm is released and a good portion of the WoW players go back to their game.
People are generally unwilling to make friends when the prospect of that friend being gone shortly is high.
People are going to quit, move on, ragequit, change games, change servers for a few months. The people that are around come thanksgiving or Christmas will be the ones I'm interested in getting to know. Until then, I'll most likely do my own thing for a while and let the community sort itself out.
#28 Sep 05 2010 at 2:22 AM Rating: Default
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So far no one is talking on Gyshal. I can shout in town asking a simple question and won't get a response. I've only ever seen one shout for a party. not a single person on the ship ride out of like 20 said a word. I mean its like playing a single player game.

Do you think the games going to stay like this? I'm hoping it doesn't...


hah, not if they keep the crappy chat system they have atm, and with all the "little things" they should polish up in a few weeks i highly doubt they'll work on chat system. Which means, no, it wont be more social by release.
#29 Sep 05 2010 at 2:40 AM Rating: Default
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hah, not if they keep the crappy chat system they have atm, and with all the "little things" they should polish up in a few weeks i highly doubt they'll work on chat system. Which means, no, it wont be more social by release.


hah, the chat system is the exact same way it was in FFXI, hah, and that game was as social as they come, hah.

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hah, the chat system is the exact same way it was in FFXI, hah, and that game was as social as they come, hah.


not true.
no linkshell tab
no /tell tab

also having to /tell 2 names is stupid. i really dislike the whole first and last name thing
further also, haven't found a shortkey to /tell last person/people like ctrl r or w/e it was in ffxi
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..and you don't think this stuff will be in at launch? I'm sure it will.
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Good lord, yes, the servers are **** quiet. That's partially because I've come to the conclusion, at least on Kashuan, we've got a lot of FF newbies. They're 'say'ing questions in at bearded, some run all the way back just to ask. Shout a question in town, get crickets. ****, shout "Free Beer at the Mizzenmast!", get crickets.

I was standing off LL's docks fishing away with 8 other people. After 5-6 attempts at chatting (yes, I know crafting it takes typing speed, but fishing? It waits) I decided to talk to the fish. I eventually got someone to at least laugh at me.

Shout conversations do noone any harm, but I played Kujata exclusively in FFXI... and we were a social bunch if you weren't a *******. We'd shout elemental spawns during light under Jeuno (can't remember the name right now), shout greetings, shout for parties, shout for party-fills, shout at mobs... ****, we'd even shout the occassional NM. Though, admittedly, that was usually "Hey, I found X! Can it kill me?" Heck, a few times I would be zoning something and shout 'Free xp mob at zoneline!' Of course, I was also hoping someone would save my ****... ;)

Yes, it's quiet. Doing my part to fix that, but we'll see what happens. :)
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#34 Sep 05 2010 at 3:15 AM Rating: Decent
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..and you don't think this stuff will be in at launch? I'm sure it will.


Oh boy, your unquestioning faith is becoming unbearable.
Please go fight in some holy war or such, but leave honest criticism to people who do not share one brain with Wada.

(Edit: You do realize there's only 17 days to go until launch, do you?)


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I do agree with the OP..
When i first started playing and walked from Gridania to Uld'ah, I got to the crossroads in Uld'ah and I didn't know which way to take to get to the city, south or west, whispered about 10 people who ran past me at the crossroads, not a single person asked so I walked east for about 20 minutes, whispering everyone I came across, and EVENTUALLY about the 50th person i asked told me you've gone the wrong way, it was the south path.

And this is on cornelia, bunch of ignorant twats they are.
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I do agree with the OP..
When i first started playing and walked from Gridania to Uld'ah, I got to the crossroads in Uld'ah and I didn't know which way to take to get to the city, south or west, whispered about 10 people who ran past me at the crossroads, not a single person asked so I walked east for about 20 minutes, whispering everyone I came across, and EVENTUALLY about the 50th person i asked told me you've gone the wrong way, it was the south path.

And this is on cornelia, bunch of ignorant twats they are.


No offense, but you could have just looked at your map and figured it out quite easily on your own. Ya I guess people could have told you the way, but why do you need your hand held once you were already in Ul'Dah?
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Because it doesn't show up on the map?

And by then I didn't know you could use the map menu and look at the city to see where the exit was.

Since i'd only been playing the game for an hour or so, and even so, its not holding my hand you ******* moron, its being polite and helping a new player out, takes 5 seconds to /tell someone yeah its down south.
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People are gonna shout if there is no chat channels, and replying to tells is anoying right now, gotta type out the whole name rather than tab to complete like in WoW. Chat system needs an overhaul.

I am on Gysahl and I have noticed it is very very hard to find a group for anything, barely anyone uses the recruit feature. I stand at the crystals asking for a group, with /say then /shout then /shout (translate) and I see people who obviously heard me take up their leve quests, and on occasion people in groups of 3 starting theirs. If this keeps up over the next couple of weeks especially once I reach the teens in my rank, I am going to have to start looking for a serious LS to rely on.
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Ul'Dah doesn't show up on the map?
That's news to me...
I'm the f'ing moron and you're the one that couldn't find a giant city on a relatively small map?? Lol
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I've seen some social people over on Mysidia. If anyone asks anything in say or shout I always stop to help them out. I've had some random conversations with people at camps. Give it time, people will open up =P
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#41 Sep 05 2010 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Not when your at the top of the north path out of it it doesnt no, so how the **** was I suppose to know it was south?
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you do know you can move the map with ijkl, right? Personally, i have map/camera movement bound to the right joystick, but to each his own
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When you use the IJKL Keys on the map, you can scroll it around. And you'll find what you're searching for in no time.

I agree that someone could've /tell you which way to go, but it's not really that hard to figure it out for yourself...

And it's really classy to complain about the community not being social and in the same instance calling a fellow player a "@#%^ing moron" because he tried to help you.

The Tutorial Leves and the Call of Adventure Option on the Atheryte are both great too and the Tutorial Leves explain really everything for the DoL-Classes. The first Leve you'll do for DoH will explain crafting too. And the first DoH/W Leve will explain fighting. And the Atheryte explains really everything you want to know. It's a bit a shame that it's called "Read Call to Adventure" and not something like "TUTORIAL", but yeah. Everything is there to figure it out if you just pay a little bit attention.

I've never played FFXI, I've never played FFXIV before the open beta, and it didn't took me a day to figure most of it out.
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i'd rather someone sent me a tell saying "its south you ******* moron" than waiting 30mins walking the wrong way till someone told me, and how do you look around on the map? U K and L?
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No one talking has to do with half the people being Japanese. I wish SE would have servers by region so this won't be an issue. There is no point in putting Japanese and English speaking people on the same servers if the community is going to segregate itself anyway.


Funny enough I've been more social with the Japanese (and seen the Japanese more social) than English players on my server.

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I do agree with the OP..
When i first started playing and walked from Gridania to Uld'ah, I got to the crossroads in Uld'ah and I didn't know which way to take to get to the city, south or west, whispered about 10 people who ran past me at the crossroads, not a single person asked so I walked east for about 20 minutes, whispering everyone I came across, and EVENTUALLY about the 50th person i asked told me you've gone the wrong way, it was the south path.

And this is on cornelia, bunch of ignorant twats they are.


No offense, but you could have just looked at your map and figured it out quite easily on your own. Ya I guess people could have told you the way, but why do you need your hand held once you were already in Ul'Dah?


If I'm visiting say LA and I didn't know anything and I ask a native for directions would that be getting my hand held? Or would it just be asking for help? There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking for directions and help, this is why I didn't want FFXIV to be solo oriented..it makes people anti-social.

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So no one has started running a "Casino" yet, thats something at least :)
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People are being kinda stupid and taking FFXI ideals to the extreme, this is a new game it's ok to shout stuff at the start, **** even small here and there conversations in shout. It adds some life to the game, if everyone sticks to the rules some thought law on FFXI the players will all stick to themselves and the game will have no community built up at all.

Jaded "must do it this way" ffxi players are going to cause so much of a problem in this game, I think they will inevitably cause more harm to the community they so desperately want than good. Sad to say it but I think it will pan out to be true.
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#48 Sep 05 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think every one is puposely being rude ignoring chat. I can honestly say myself that I am not really paying attention to log most of the time. Everything is new. I think alot of people are just bumbling around trying to find there way in a new game and new system. I have left an area and a few minutes later notice someone was shouting in town and realized I didn't even notice the shout.

Im sure once everyone gets sorted this will improve. Of all the mmo's I have tried I think that ffxi's community was by far the best one. In fact that is what I missed in every other mmo I tried. Also keep in mind if you are in battle the chat log scrolls pretty **** fast. Unless you filter out your chatlog you most likely are missing any says tells shouts.
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I don't think i'd ever not respond to someone talking to me. If you don't your a wierdo, simple as that.

It defeats 99% of the point in playing an mmo. Content and load times definetly won't ever match up to the singleplayer games. Less ego, more spew spew (.. words? i guess)
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Cornelia is packed with people, lots of chat going on there.


They like swords?
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