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#1 Sep 05 2010 at 4:38 PM Rating: Default
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I'm upgrading a bit to play the game. I have a GTX 460, 4 Gigs of RAM and a Pentium Dual-Core 2.50 GHz. All I need now is a new motherboard and PSU.

Any suggestions on what will run smoothly and be compatible with what I have?

Thanks!

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 6:40pm by stuck
#2 Sep 05 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Default
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You want at least a 450 watt power supply, mobo doesnt really matter unless your going to SLI later. If I were you, I would recommend going with at least a core 2 quad. Seems like the dual cores dont perform with this one too well.
#3 Sep 05 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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With how cheap they are now I would just get an 850-1000 Watt, great for upgrading that way. I have a 650 Watt and I'm wishing I would've got a better one now that I want to upgrade.

#4 Sep 05 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
I've got an overclocked core 2 duo that works fine at med graphics. if you've never built a computer before you should choose a MoBo first, so you know just what components will work with it, and 450 WATT should be good enough, go with Corsair, they have a really good warranty
#5 Sep 05 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Default
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Thought the 460 required a 650w+ PSU?
#6 Sep 05 2010 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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With your current processor, if you're looking at a new mobo you might as well jump up to a new CPU. If you're on a budget or will only be playing with a single GPU card, go with an Intel 1156 or AM3 board and processor. For the price if you want to go to AMD you can get their 6 core CPU for under 300 bucks, otherwise any i5 or i7 processor (socket compatible) that over 2.8 ghz (preferably quad core since you're upgrading) should do.

There's no point what so ever to upgrade a LGA775 socket MoBo to a better MoBo if you're going to use the same dual core... That and pentium is um old these days.
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#7 Sep 05 2010 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Just keep in mind that if you upgrade your mobo it will probably be compatible with a quad-core CPU, so if you ever want to upgrade to one you'll need more wattage.
#8 Sep 05 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Default
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I don't have the money to get anything but the PSU and the motherboard (those are the two things keeping me from running the game). The processor is usable, at least. I don't mind playing on low for now.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 6:53pm by stuck
#9 Sep 05 2010 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
Your MoBo and PSU have nothing to do with runing the game, they are there so that your RAM, CPU and GPU work atall
#10 Sep 05 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Default
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My point is my current motherboard and PSU do not support the parts I need to run the game. So a new Mobo/PSU is what I need.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:02pm by stuck
#11 Sep 05 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Your MoBo and PSU have nothing to do with runing the game, they are there so that your RAM, CPU and GPU work atall


WHOA?! WHAT?! Your bus speeds are extremely important. You need the right speeds on your Front Side Bus, North Bridge, South Bridge... on your motherboard. And your PSU has to put out enough wattage to run your parts...

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:01pm by BRizzl3
#12 Sep 05 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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WHOA?! WHAT?! Your bus speeds are extremely important. You need the right speeds on your Front Side Bus, North Bridge, South Bridge... on your motherboard. And your PSU has to put out enough wattage to run your parts...

That's what I mean, I interpreted his post wrong

ok, GTX 480 needs at least 600w PSU and as for mobo I can't tell you what to buy, just be sure it supports the right chipset, GPU and RAM

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:08pm by ashuramaru
#13 Sep 05 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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That's what I mean, I interpreted his post wrong


Oops I actually read your post wrong lol. >_<
#14 Sep 05 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Thought the 460 required a 650w+ PSU?


Nope. Says so right here on nvidias website.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460-us.html

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ok, GTX 480 needs at least 600w PSU and as for mobo I can't tell you what to buy, just be sure it supports the right chipset, GPU and RAM


He told us he had a GTX 460.


Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:13pm by powdermonk3y
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#16 Sep 05 2010 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
yeah but he needs to be sure the MoBo supports (I'm assuming) DDR 3, has the right socket for his CPU (which can be tedious with it being quite out of date) and supports PCIexpress 2.0 amongst other things.

That's an AMD MoBo, your CPU won't work in it

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:24pm by ashuramaru
#17 Sep 05 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Are you positive your CPU will work with those boards? If the CPU is Intel, you can check here for compatibility.

http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/

Just select "Find boards that will work with my Processor" and enter your CPU model.. Ex: E7500
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#18 Sep 05 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
If your RAM is split between two sticks this should be fine:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128450

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:28pm by ashuramaru
#19 Sep 05 2010 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
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@Demona

No, I don't. I don't know jack about computers. That's why I'm asking you guys :P

Thanks for the link!

Ok according to that site my processor is compatible with these MoBos
http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?ProcNbr=E5200&Lang=en-US

Now to figure out what the **** it all means.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:31pm by stuck
#20 Sep 05 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
Your Graphics card is really high end and is gonna be bottlenecked by your CPU, that board support up to i7 so the only other thing you need to upgrade you should have no problem with when you can afford it
#21 Sep 05 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Default
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Ok, cool. Thanks ashuru.

So just to get this straight, that Motherboard and PSU will work with everything else I have, correct?
#22 Sep 05 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Ifyou don't know anything about computers, this isn't the place to ask, but honestly if you're going to buy a new mobo any way you might as well upgrade to current gen.

Intel, from waht I can tell from your posts you want an 1156 mobo with an i7 870 or the high end i5

AMD, you want an AMD AM3 board with a 4x or 6x Phenom

If you have a low budget and aren't going to overclock and don't mind upgrading again in 2ish years go with a quad core AMD, if you want a bit more breathing room the top end i7 1156 chip from Intel should last a tad bit longer, but it's gonna cost a few pennies more.

Next, go to a real PC advice forum and ask around, they'll set you up and not default your posts.
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#23 Sep 05 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
What DDR is your RAM; 2 or 3? really important as MoBo's arent backwards compatable with RAM
#24 Sep 05 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Default
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My budget only allows a new Motherboard and PSU, so I'm going to have to work with this processor for a while.

@ashuru

RAM is DDR2

Here is my PCs specs: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01527426&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:38pm by stuck
#25 Sep 05 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
gah, then that MoBo won't work for you
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I actually recently bought the DP45SG on that list for my E7500. The board also compatible up to Core 2 Quad and Core 2 Extreme. However, if you plan to later upgrade to i5 or i7, you will need to trade in that CPU and go for a higher grade board as well.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 7:46pm by Demonadrastos
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#27 Sep 05 2010 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131377R

that should be perfect, but your CPU is still gonna ruin your day, get an after market fan for it and look into overclocking, can make a **** of a difference
#28 Sep 05 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Default
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Thanks.
#29 Sep 05 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Stuck,

Other than rare circumstances, replacing the MoBo means replacing the entire system. Rarely, if ever, do you use old parts with a new MoBo (unless the MoBo died and you're doing an even swap). If you had a top of the line CPU, GPU, and memory and you maxed out your board and needed to upgrade for future expandability, then I could understand just a MoBo upgrade, but this isn't the case.

If you're trying to match a MoBo to existing parts, you need to know what you are doing and what exactly it is that you need that MoBo to support. The MoBo is the backbone of your system.

I'm willing to bet that there are very few people on this board who could successfully pull off what your trying to do, and to walk someone through it that doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing? Not a chance.

The performance upgrade you are going to notice by upgrading these specific components would be about the same as if you simply threw your money in the trash, and a **** of a lot more stressful.

Just a heads up, but I am almost certain that replacing your MoBo with cause the Windows authentication check to fail, meaning you're going to need a new OS as well.

Save your money until you can get a new system.
#30 Sep 05 2010 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
He only bought the graphics card, and he's trying to update the rest of his system to mach it. the MoBo i sugested is fine. But yeah, in the future ALWAYS fin'd a MoBo first.

Also your OS is will be fine.

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 9:21pm by ashuramaru
#31 Sep 05 2010 at 7:58 PM Rating: Default
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Hmmmmm, well my options are

A) Do what I've been saying I would

or

B) Just get this or something similar (and making some upgrades in the future)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492358

That should run the game well enough, yeah?

Edited, Sep 5th 2010 10:03pm by stuck
#32 Sep 05 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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It should run it, but I don't think that system comes with an OS. Also, that board is an AM2/AM2+/AM3 socket, so the processor can be upgraded later. Only 2 memory slots but 4gig of memory is enough for most people.
#33 Sep 05 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Default
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So many different ways to tackle this but I think going with that premade is the best (and most affordable solution). And there's room for upgrades.

Thanks for the advice.
#34 Sep 05 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Default
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I know I'm being a complete nag but after some thought..

@Ashuramaru/anyone else

You say that MoBo/PSU/CPU combination would be fine for the running the game, yeah? At least for now. Also remember that the CPU will be replaced in the near future.

Do you think that would be worth it over just buying a new premade altogether like the one I linked? Buying separate parts would be more affordable but if that just led to me building a machine that didn't work that would completely suck.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 12:22am by stuck
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#36 Sep 06 2010 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
I'd say go with the componants, you have easily one of the best cards on the market, you were gonna spend an extra $100-110, wait a little longer and you can afford an i-series cpu, that may be a good deal but it's alot of crap you don't need that's just wasted money

Your CPU meets the minimum requirements, so you will be able to play the game

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 8:57am by ashuramaru
#37 Sep 06 2010 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Building a PC from components isn't a hard job, and you're not gonna get recommended incompatible hardware from here - it's not that difficult to work out what fits with what.

Ashuramaru is right in saying that your card is pretty **** bad-***. I'm not completely sure on your situation, as all the posts are kinda confusing and scattered, but a standard MoBo upgrade won't do much for you. It would be better to save for an i-series upgrade (i5/i7 CPU, 1156/1336 socket Motherboard and DDR3 RAM).

If you list out your current hardware and your current budget, this whole process can go a lot easier :)

But trust me... Don't buy store-bought... ;)
#38 Sep 06 2010 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
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Here are my specs: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01527426&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en

That PC is a slimline, so the GTX 460 physically won't fit, and the PSU (160w) is way too low to run anything.

So my plan was to replace the MoBo/PSU, buy a new case and keep what I can salvage: the 460, the 4 GB RAM, and the Processor.

My budget? $300

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 11:56am by stuck
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That ram is DDR2, so if you decide to keep it, that is going to present some challenges in terms of what motherboard to use. $300 is a tiny upgrade budget for a motherboard, PSU, CPU and a decent case. Your old CPU isn't worth salvaging, and finding a socket 775 motherboard that is an upgrade over what you already have isn't very easy these days as most of them are being discontinued. Here's what I would do in your situation.

Case: Cooler master CM 690 version 1 ($69)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137
Plenty of room, good airflow, well made.

PSU; Antec 650 watt ($65 after rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015
should run what you have adequatly, would want to go bigger if you ever plan to do SLI.

Motherboard: Asus P7H55-M motherboard Socket 1156($89)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131623
It's a small form factor board, but it will get the job done. 4 ram slots, decent chipset. Requires DDR3 ram

Processor: Intel Core i3 530 2.93 Ghz Dual Core Socket 1156($114)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115222
Realistically you want one of the quad core or core I7 chips. but we're on a budget.

Ram: G-skil DDR3 2GB sticks ($37 each X 2) = $74
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231393
That would get you back to 4GB, buy an additional 4Gb when funds permit for use with windows 7 64 bit. Usually I don't use G-skill, but again, we're on a budget...

So, that would put you at $411. If you can find a free usable case somewhere, that would put you around $300-ish.

You may also want to think about picking up a new SATA hard drive at the same time, just because of the fact that hard drives age and will fail eventually. 5 years is about average lifespan for most drives, and I would suspect you are getting near that with that machine. Should be able to find a decent Western Digital one for around $35. Aslo a Sata 22X DVD burner for $30 would speed up game installation considerably. Those could always be added later though.
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#41 Sep 06 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Default
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The PC is only 2 years old. And I appreciate the advice, but like I said, I'm on a tight budget so I'm only upgrading what I absolutely need to. The CPU, the RAM, the HD.. the ones I have right now can at least run the game so I can upgrade those at a later date.

I'm not looking to build an awesome super computer capable of running FFXIV on high settings right now, I'll run it on the lowest settings possible if need be. I'll be upgrading all the bad stuff over time. But for now.. just need to get it running.

So basically, I need a new Motherboard and PSU that are compatible with what I already have. (Which would be the Processor, GTX 460, and DDR2 RAM)

These are what I have in mind:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131377R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&cm_re=corsair_650w-_-17-139-005-_-Product

Will that work out?

And thanks again for the help ;]

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 4:09pm by stuck
#42 Sep 06 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Default
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Just decided to build a new system. This thread is getting cluttered though so I started a new one here:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1283808471115009828&page=1#m1283808471115009828

Thanks to everyone that helped.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 5:29pm by stuck
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