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#1 Sep 05 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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HELP your fellow english speaking brethren. You dont have to share all your secrets with anyone you see, but try to help others improve how they play and let them in on the little details that have helped you succeed faster.

My example is a fellow NA, last day of Closed beta, 90 mins left til they reset. This guy is standing near Aeth crystal, not playing, but not AFK either. He has newer shield equipped and same one in Bazaar for 99999999. Being a lvl 20 glad, i really wanted to try a new shield before everything got wiped and pleaded with this guy to sell just 1 of his shields.. for everything I had which was 100k(alot in closed beta), just so I could have a little fun with new equip in the last hour. Long Story short, he refused just so he could keep showing it off in bazaar for another hour, this is kinda behavior we gotta get past if we want to excel at this game.
Dont be that guy, HELP others. Nothing wrong with being super equipped or ahead of the curve but itll help entire FF14 playerbase if you stay away from that kinda mentality. this game is too awesome for this elitist behavior allready, such amazing graphics..
#2 Sep 05 2010 at 7:20 PM Rating: Default
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lol you cant do nathing to stop them lol
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#3 Sep 05 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah. We see the same thing in EVERY MMO. Take DAOC for example: You're on the same faction which >= Same Team. Last time i checked, you want your realm to succeed. World of Warcraft is the same way, it's just flat out greed. Just can't change the caliber of people.
#4 Sep 05 2010 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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Well at the very least you can take some satisfaction from the fact that this guy has nothing better to do with his life than sit around CB showing off a virtual item that will be deleted in less than an hour.
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#5 Sep 05 2010 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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im one of does guys =[ i farm my *** off and overpaid for my astral signa in FFXI

if it make u feel better i would have gave u the shild & prob party with u since the server were resetting in a couple of hours
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#6 Sep 05 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Default
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I have already panned to give away all my shards and crystals when the open beta draws to a close.
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I believe in helping other people and I think not selling the shield in Beta was kind of silly.
To be honest though he wasn't doing anything wrong, and I don't think his behavior was elitist at all.
I hate how some people try force some unwritten code of morality on everyone.

An elitist, in my opinion, is someone who looks down on someone because of their equipment or their play style when it does not directly effect them.

People who complain about someone soloing or standing in town with bad equipment are retarded.
People who go out of their way to post pictures of people online because they think they fail are ********.

There is nothing wrong with sending a tell to an event leader when someone's performance is substantially effecting the success of an event, or kicking someone who refuses to cooperate for the good of the group from the party.

I see nothing wrong with refusing to sell an item you earned, regardless of how much you need it.
If someone told you outside the game that something wasn't for sale would you tell everyone he was selfish?

Why are people who don't go out of their way to help other people elitist?
Why do you have to teleport or warp someone if you don't want to?
Why do you have to party with someone who speaks a different language if you don't feel like it? As annoying as it can be.
Why do you have to interact with people at all if your not in the mood?

So someone is ignoring your tells and they aren't afk, it's not the most polite thing to do, so what?
Maybe that person had a bad day and doesn't feel like socializing during his free time.
Maybe he just doesn't like talking to people outside of events.

I've heard people go on and on about how the whole point of a MMO is to interact with other people, and that's true, but why should people be forced to be generous or social in a game they are paying for if they don't want too.
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I agree and disagree with that post, Oshan. You make a lot of good points but in the end I truly wish that people *were* a bit less selfish and rude than they tend to be.

I actually think Hightone's situation is a weird one, as I cannot say he was either right or wrong. On the one hand, I agree with him that the guy might as well have let a brother try out a new toy before the server went down, but on the other hand I don't get the point of Hightone himself even wanting it. On the one hand, the seller would be helping out someone in some way and Hightone himself would have had a slightly more fun final hour of the game, but on the other hand that seller showing that shield off might have helped HIM have a better time, or just felt more satisfied with how he spent the last bit of the CB, to put it better.

That being said, I really don't like the idea of people putting stuff up for 999999 just to be cute, unless it's just something useless, or maybe something insanely rare that they want to show off, but I don't know about if you have TWO of the same item. I mean, yeah, you should be able to play the game however you want and no one technically has the right to force you to play their way, but at the same time you should show some human decency and common courtesy and try to put yourself in other players' shoes such that you can help them have a better time--and probably feel better yourself int he process--rather than stick your nose in the air and make it, however meekly, a lesser experience.

I guess in the end it's all up to each player's personal conviction as to how much or little they want to follow their own codes of morality and chivalry. Elitism (by any and all definitions), rudeness, selfishness and general asshattery are some of the biggest reasons I can go from enjoying to not enjoying an MMO, and I know it's the same for a wide range of other people too, but at the same time seeing acts of maturity and kindness and friendliness and happiness and positivity and etc make it all worthwhile in the end. I guess the most we can do is hope that for every person doing something rude, for every person who "doesn't feel like being sociable" and makes you feel awkward for trying to talk to them, for every player who refuses to do what for all intents and purposes they SHOULD do for you or your friends, that there may hopefully be another or two that DO have a better attitude and WILL prove to be fun and comfortable to play with. Here's hoping.
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Not selling a gallon of milk cheap 30 minutes b4 it goes bad, is pure ignorance. Not only did you not sell it, now your stuck with it. In this case, nobody got anything. It's one thing to drive a hard bargain in game, but in beta ... Come on, really?
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What's hilarious to me is that all the douchebags strutting around in their phat lewtz are pretty much wearing noob gear. A guy wearing a grey hempen robe totally thinks he's the shizzle. Won't that guy look like a fool in retrospect once the game has been out for a year?

Now me, I did the work to make maple wands, which made me very proud because I had seen literally zero conjurers caring anything except for level 1 noob staves. But I went ahead and made a bunch and sold them for 10k a pop. I made a chunk of money, and I shared the wand goodness. It's one thing when people act all smug about some ultra rare loot that takes some kind of colossal effort to get. But when it's a piece of noob gear that you crafted for yourself, you might as well spread it around instead of treating it like it's special. Everyone can have noob gear, and pretending like you're leet for having it is just pathetic.
#11 Sep 05 2010 at 10:40 PM Rating: Default
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I understand selling something that you farmed for. I understand selling something you spent the time crafting. I DONT understand being greedy and overpricing it to all ****, completely ruining an economy.
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Gesoh wrote:
I understand selling something that you farmed for. I understand selling something you spent the time crafting. I DONT understand being greedy and overpricing it to all ****, completely ruining an economy.


10k is nothing. There's a vendor that wants you to pay 90k for a pretty basic shield. You could spend 10k buying 3 bronze ingots from an NPC. I bet my wands would have sold like hotcakes for 30k because they were some of the only ones on the server, but I priced them at 10 because I thought it was a fairer price.
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Solimurr wrote:
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I understand selling something that you farmed for. I understand selling something you spent the time crafting. I DONT understand being greedy and overpricing it to all ****, completely ruining an economy.


10k is nothing. There's a vendor that wants you to pay 90k for a pretty basic shield. You could spend 10k buying 3 bronze ingots from an NPC. I bet my wands would have sold like hotcakes for 30k because they were some of the only ones on the server, but I priced them at 10 because I thought it was a fairer price.


Yeah I bought the cheaper shield for 40k or so and then of course shortly after saw a bazaar with a 15k shield...oh well. I can see trying to make some money in beta, just in case you run into something outrageously priced and want to try it out, you may have the gil. But the OP deal about putting an item into bazaar for 999999 and kind of saying, "Look what I have & don't need! But you can't have it either!", well that's just lame, especially in beta...
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I agree and disagree with that post, Oshan. You make a lot of good points but in the end I truly wish that people *were* a bit less selfish and rude than they tend to be.


I enjoyed your post.
I wish people were less selfish as well.
Like I said, I think it was silly not to sell the shield given the circumstances, and it wasn't exactly the nicest thing to do.
Especially since it seems that there was no reason to do so other than to show off.

My post was about the over use of the word elitist and the self-righteous expectations a lot of people seem to have.
I have seen the word elitist used in so many ridiculous situations.
It seems like for a lot of people, anyone who doesn't share the same opinions or convictions is an elitist.

People shouldn't be so soft.
If you wear your heart on your sleeve or expect too much from people you'll end up being unhappy a lot of the time.
By setting his expectations too high, the OP allowed someone in a video game to upset him by doing absolutely nothing.
Then he posted calling the player an elitist and informed us of his moral expectations.

I feel like we are pressured enough everyday with moral and social obligations without people trying to enforce their personal convictions in an MMO.
If he had just complained about what happened and called the guy a douche I probably wouldn't have commented.
#15 Sep 06 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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Osanshouo wrote:
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People shouldn't be so soft.
If you wear your heart on your sleeve or expect too much from people you'll end up being unhappy a lot of the time.
By setting his expectations too high, the OP allowed someone in a video game to upset him by doing absolutely nothing.
Then he posted calling the player an elitist and informed us of his moral expectations.


Talk about imparting drama to the situation. The OP didn't say he became emo and spent a week in his room crying. He was just nerd raging about douchebaggery. Nerd raging isn't just common on the internet, it is one of its two real functions (the other being ****).
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I entered FFXI as a humanist. By the time I signed out for the last time, I had become a complete misanthrope.

Needless to say, I won't be expecting much out of people this time around. EG has a funny way of showing the nasty side of most people.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 2:26am by ghosthacked
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Talk about imparting drama to the situation. The OP didn't say he became emo and spent a week in his room crying. He was just nerd raging about douchebaggery. Nerd raging isn't just common on the internet, it is one of its two real functions (the other being ****).

I didn't say it made him cry, I said it upset him.
I guess I did make a comment about being unhappy in life but that was a generalization and not meant directly toward the OP.
I don't think I over dramatized the situation at all, the OP came off as completely over sensitive.
The person didn't yell at him, mpk him, steal from him, or do anything to disrupt his playing in any way.
It wasn't entirely clear in his post if the person with the shield said anything at all.
What was the catastrophic outcome of the situation? He didn't get to use a different shield for an hour and a half.

I guess it's not dramatic to get angry because someone does nothing in a video game and then make post calling for an end to elitism and some sort of fellowship among players. Yep, that's a perfectly normal response to the situation.

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HELP your fellow english speaking brethren.

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Dont be that guy, HELP others.

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this game is too awesome for this elitist behavior allready, such amazing graphics


Not quite sure why we're only supposed to help English players, or why good graphics negate elitism.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 2:46am by Osanshouo
#18 Sep 06 2010 at 1:04 AM Rating: Default
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It's the monitor shield man.
A lot of these people are just omegas with little dignity. This is the only way they can feel superior to people.
The human ego is rather hilarious.
There's a lot of those guys in here btw.
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#19 Sep 06 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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Your feelings are completely understandable.
yeah the guy is a douche bag, but it was his sh*t to keep and act ***-faced about.

but no harm in coming here and venting.

edit: typo

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 3:46am by OhimeKowai

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 3:47am by OhimeKowai
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#20 Sep 06 2010 at 2:31 AM Rating: Good
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Why he should have sold it?!? There nothing wrong with what that player did and it foolish to think other won't be like that on retail


To the OP I think I'll fit more in that roleplaying server lol..

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