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#1 Sep 06 2010 at 6:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I cannot play FFXIV any longer. The game is beautiful. It is wonderful to play. I have fun with every single aspect of the system. But the coding is so horrific and the server lag is... Even on the 'good', 'new' server, it takes my system up to two minutes for NPCs to rez in. And I don't know if that's my computer, I don't know if that's the servers, I don't know what's causing it. But when simple interaction keeps me from doing anything? I want to keep playing. I want to so badly. But the only game I've seen worse than this, with this sort of I don't know what was Tabula Rasa.

I want to play. I want to PLAY. I want to bury myself headfirst in the crafting system and not come out for days. I want to be a level 50 Disciple of the Hand before beta ends. I don't know what's wrong. If it's my computer (and my computer's not great, but I've only seen three games that've run this badly, and those were Tabula Rasa, All Points Bulletin, and FFXIV) I can accept that. I've got an AMD dualcore 2.0 processor, 1.5 gigs of DDR1 RAM, and a Radeon HD 4670 512 meg video card. It's not great, but I can run just about anything I care to. I've got 350k/s down 150k/s up DSL. It's not great but it's never caused a problem in any other game. These all meet the minimum requirements. I should have the minimum requirements right here to run the game on the lowest settings just fine, which I do - I'm happy just to be able to play.

I'm scared, a little - I see a wonderful, excellent game here, and I can't tell if it's my computer that's ******** it up.. or if SqueEnix is making a wonderful game buried beneath horrible code.
#2 Sep 06 2010 at 6:06 AM Rating: Default
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In your case it sounds like a combination of both a weak PC and horrible coding.

I know I ran APB smooth as butter so it couldnt have been coding there.
#3 Sep 06 2010 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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This would be your PC.

Your memory is ddr...

Is your video card AGP or PCI? A motherboard with ddr1 ram is most likely going to have obsolete configs on it.. ide drives, agp slots, and that may be a first gen dual core cpu in there as well.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 8:16am by Jiruu
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#4 Sep 06 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The card's PCI-E - it's the one good thing about the motherboard. And I know I need new RAM, but it's not happening anytime soon. I can't afford it. But.. Is it really all just my system?
#5 Sep 06 2010 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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My computer is better than yours and I'm Beta testing at a game quality that I too wouldn't be able to play.

In my view, your computer is the problem, not really the game.


#6SolidMack, Posted: Sep 06 2010 at 6:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rate me down please, testing something.
#7 Sep 06 2010 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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PratzStrike wrote:
I've got 350k/s down 150k/s up DSL.

kbps or KB/s?

If kbps, I hope you're paying no more than $5 a month for it. 42KB/s down and 18 KB/s up is your peak, and will affect your latency, but I'm not sure it'd be bad enough to cause the problems you're describing. Sounds more like packet loss or a heavily congested server.

That said, remember the servers are in Japan, which adds at least 500ms round trip latency. Then there's the fact the servers are beyond overloaded, which adds anywhere from 2 to 20 second delays in anything. My server specifically experiences a 6 second delay in things like teleporting.

Other than that, I feel the same way.
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#8 Sep 06 2010 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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KB/s. Sorry, I figured that would be understood. But yeah.
#9 Sep 07 2010 at 6:36 AM Rating: Default
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Again.. it's the PC.

Basically.. let's say that by using ddr1 ram, essentially in e-z term.. 3gb of it would equal 1gb of DDR3.

So.. if FFXIV being a modern game based it's requirements on modern PC's.. they'd probably consider ddr1.. etc setups to be outdated, therefore not used.

1.5gb minimum of ddr2/3 would need to be at least 3gb+ ddr1. O.o;

And essentially what a 1st gen AMD dual core CPU would be an Athlon 64 x2 which would be an old 512mb L2 cache.. 90nm cpu.. (their base started as a dual 1.9ghz, your 2.0 being just slightly above it).. which would essentially be completely different then the newer AM3 Athlon II X2 CPU's which are just overkill compared to the original.

Similar to how on the minimum requirements SE lists needing an Intel Core 2 Duo.. vs their original Intel Pentium Dual Core (which is much slower).

So, it kinda sucks, but a lot of what they're saying is 'required' is actually much much different then what was used a few years ago.

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 8:37am by Jiruu
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#10 Sep 07 2010 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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It's definitely your pc. I play on a core 2 duo 2.13 with 4gb ddr2 laptop with a geforce 9800m gs and the game runs decent, not optimal - menus take a bit of time to open. My gf plays on an i7 860 with 6gb ddr3 gtx 285 and the difference graphically is crazy but more importantly the menus are much more responsive.
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#11 Sep 07 2010 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
I agree with everyone else. It sounds like the machine you are using. Smiley: frown I tried the last beta on my old dual core/ crappy video card machine and it was similarly horrible.
I put together a new machine last week consisting of a AMD Phenom II 965 3.4 Gz quad core, 4 gigs of DDR3 memory @1600 and a GTX 470. The worst thing I get now is a low 20 fps in Limsa and Gridania, everywhere else averages around 40 fps in all other major areas (20 to 30 around Aetherytes) and 60 fps in open areas like the desert outside Ul'dah (even in sandstorms). I have shadows and footstep dust effects off currently.

The only graphical glitches I see are horizontal tearing in places. I'm going to overclock my video card and see how I can improve my framerates.
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#12 Sep 07 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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You have the same CPU-gobbling bug other people do. One of your cores is being infinite-looped by SE's ****** code and the other one can't handle the entire load. Open Task Manager before you open FFXIV and watch the game eat 50%+ CPU on the title screen. Unless SE, or maybe the Windower team, fixes whatever the ****'s gone wrong, it's not going to be playable.
#13 Sep 07 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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My game runs awesome. Time for a new PC.

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#14 Sep 07 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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It's an old and inadequate PC, and the optimization in the game is horrible. You're really getting hammered on both ends, but until you upgrade, yeah, it'll probably be unplayable. PS3 release is 6 months down the road if you have one of those. The game will probably be a lot more "finished" by then anyway.
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