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#1 Sep 06 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
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Well i just ran the benchmark from square enix for final fantasy XIV...I knew my laptop would not do amazing, due to it being a laptop..but wouldnt be THIS terrible!!!
Specs: Toshiba Satellite P500, Windows 7 - 64bit, Intel Core 2 duo P7450 - 2.13Ghz, Nvidia Geforce GT230M - 2000(ish)mb
and 4GB ram

Benchmark Score: 1000

W-T-F

Ok this laptop was new at christmas just gone (cost:£700 or about $1000) (and i know its only a laptop and not a gaming machine) but i thought it would perform better than this? I play many other games with relative ease and with high settings which still give a good frame rate.
I also use 3D CGI software including Maya, Vue8, Nuke, Python and Zbrush...which for those who do not know are and can be very demanding on machines, hence why i bought (what i thought) was an ok laptop. I have do a lot of demanding work in these CGI programs and ask them to perform well with the tasks that i issue, and they perform well...

....so has anyone got any insight into why i get such a low benchmark score??
#2 Sep 06 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Your computer doesnt come anywhere near the minimum requirements to play the game...
#3 Sep 06 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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That bench is right and it will run terribly. If you get a 260 or 280m it'll improve a lot.
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#4 Sep 06 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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well i assumed for the amount of money i spent on it, it would kind of at least be able to play any games that came out this year...guess i was mistaken. So its just the graphics card thats letting it down right??
#5 Sep 06 2010 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Not necessarily... If you get that 280m, you will more than likely be bottlenecked by your CPU.
#6 Sep 06 2010 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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powdermonk3y wrote:
Not necessarily... If you get that 280m, you will more than likely be bottlenecked by your CPU.
Replacing a GPU on a laptop isn't exactly the easiest thing to do...
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#7 Sep 06 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks for your inpute people, as im sure you can understand im quite ticked off by this....grey skys are gonna clear up, put on a happy face, lol
#8 Sep 06 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Replacing a GPU on a laptop isn't exactly the easiest thing to do...


These days a lot of laptops come with removable GPUs. You should be able to just unscrew a couple screws and then switch out the cards. If not, you are just screwed and probably wont be playing FFXIV unless you want to play with 1/3 resolution buffer to be able to play smoothly.
#9 Sep 06 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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if only money was no issue, everything would be so simple...
#10 Sep 06 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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laptops are a rip-off money wise. The same £700 would have got you a near-perfect PC. Not to mention the lifespan of a laptop if you play up-to-date games on it will be little more than 6 months... they dont have enough ventilation and being compact only makes it worse. laptops are good for only one thing - doing homework on the train to work/school

edit: Maya and such are not taxing, they just use whatever you give them. ie; good pc = fast and quality render, bad pc = grab a cup of coffee this could take a while.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:22pm by Reebie
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#11 Sep 06 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Thats why i got one, so i can do my work anywhere anytime, and like i said it handels my CGI software ok, not perfectly but ok, so its just abit frustrating. Does anyone have any idea how much i could get a decent custom build for? or if i should wait i hear intel are, within the next year, taking some big leaps forward? wait? buy? spend? omg i don't know!! bloody computers!!
#12 Sep 06 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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hehe typical nightmare anyone will face... wait or buy now?

realy the best answer is... when do you want to play ffxiv? (sorry that was another question wasnt it)

like I said, 700 for a PC would be a generous budget for a FFXIV-capable PC :) but if you're confident enough to lok for the right parts I recommend using ebuyer, they're the cheapest place that you can get everything form reliably. My nvidia 250 with 1gig only cost me 60 pound :)

edit: curiosity... what university you at? I went to stafforshire and they used that software but their computer were ancient x.x

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:29pm by Reebie
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#13 Sep 06 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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For that price us USD... You could have a killer system. i7 920, 4GB DDR3, ATI Radeon 5870 (x2 perhaps if youd like), SSD if you didnt pick up a second GPU, plenty of HDD space, case, 800w+ PSU... assuming you have a TV to view this all on. If you don't a monitor could replace the SSD or second GPU.

This would all run about the same price as what you paid for that laptop. A good place to buy prebuilt PCs is a place called ibuypower. You should check them out.

http://www.ibuypower.com/

EDIT: I edited their Gamer Paladin E750 machine down from 1039 USD (which is less than 700 pounds already) to 927 just taking off some minor thing. Check it out:

Gamer Paladin E750
Case ( KME CG-2C62 Standard Case - Black/Silver )
Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5 760 Processor (4x 2.80GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1156] - [Free Upgrade] Standard 120mm Fan )
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module - ** FREE Upgrade to DDR3-1600 ** Corsair or Major Brand )
Video Card ( ATI Radeon HD 5850 - 1GB - Single Card )
Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by ATI or NVIDIA )
Free Stuff ( [FREE: LaborDay Special] Network 10/100/1000 LAN Surge Protector )
Free Stuff ( [FREE: LaborDay Special] ASUS USB-BT211 Mini Bluetooth Dongle )
Free Stuff ( [Free Game Download] - Blacklight: Tango Down - Free with Purchase of ATI Radeon HD Video Card )
Free Stuff ( [Free Game Download] - MAFIA II - Free with Purchase of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 or 480 Video Card )
Free Stuff ( [Free Game Download] - StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty Free Trial - Free with Purchase of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 or higher Video Card )
Motherboard ( MSI P55M-SD40 )
Motherboard USB / SATA Interface ( Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface )
Power Supply ( 700 Watt -- Standard )
Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
Optical Drive ( 24X Sony Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
Flash Media Reader/Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer - Black )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
Operating System ( None- Pre-formatted Hard Drive Only )
Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard - Black )
Mouse ( iBUYPOWER Internet Mouse - Black )
Speaker System ( iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )
Warranty ( Standard Warranty Service - Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )
Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )


If I didn't add it then it isn't on there. Keep in mind this is WITHOUT a monitor. This will play FFXIV VERY well. Hope this helps!

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:46pm by powdermonk3y
#14 Sep 06 2010 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
To add onto laptops being a ripoff as far as gaming goes, the same can be said if you buy a pre-built PC. Building your own PC will always save you money, a surprisingly large amount. If you buy a pre-built PC you're paying extra for the brand, for a PC that will be sub-optimal to what you could have built yourself.

As I was telling someone in the iRC channel last night, right now you can build a nice Core i5 setup that can easily run any game today for under $1000.
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#15 Sep 06 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Well im at Swansea Uni, doing 3d Computer Animation so i got the laptop because it was important i could do my work anywhere, hate being cooped up in room working when i can be chillin with my friends at the same time lol. You mentioned E-buyer was that for the individual parts, as in to build your own? (which i know nothing about by the way! lol) how is ebuyer for already built pc's? any adivce you could offer would be great!
Thanks for the suggestion with ibuypower, however i live in the UK and do not really feel comfortable with buying from US, no offence lol. I would like to play XIV asap really, but if waiting is better than i will wait, i suppose it could even be better, give SE the chance to iron out some of their problems on retail release.
#16 Sep 06 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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The benchmark isn't everything and is in fact optimized to give results at a slightly above minimal graphical settings. I got a 700 on the benchmark on my laptop and it runs okay with lowest settings. Not perfectly as it understandably lags around a lot of people, but I think some of that lag is also from the servers. Once I'm away from crowded spots it runs perfectly with no lag whatsoever.

If you don't want to buy a new computer immediately and are okay with running it at low settings(which still make it look pretty gorgeous) I'd suggest trying the open beta.
#17 Sep 06 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
Really, building your own PC is not that hard. There's so many guides out there today, that even if you don't learn new things while just researching what parts you'll buy, you can still slap it together.

If you want to consider building your own, I'd recommend you visit Toms Hardware, especially their forums. There's a forum dedicated to new computer builds that has buyer guides (explains about each part of the computer), and tons of people who will help you in picking parts for your price range.
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#18 Sep 06 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks very much for the guidance, i have thought about doing a custom build in the past, however i was advised against it because i was told that because your buying individual parts instead of the whole thing it has no warranty, so if something goes wrong or breaks down or fails for some reason (probably because im clueless at this stuff :P) you have to sort it yourself, which the thought of does not ammuse me lol. My uni give me a £500 grant once year which is meant for "travelling costs" but im starting to think of a better use for that big pile of cash....hmmmm lol
#19 Sep 06 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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its hard to break the individual parts of a PC, only case where I would think it could break it if you dont connect all the cables from the PSU that it needs =/

i built my first unit about 2 years ago with little-to-no knowledge, and found it rather easy to do. a card will only fit in the place its designed to go, so once you've put it in and connected the power and data cables it'll run. after that you may want to check the bios and may need to update it, then load the OS... simples ^^

as for ebuyer, I recommend it for the parts of a PC unit, I've not used it for full pre-built units before.
if you're totaly not confident with building your own, you can still get a good PC from dell with the £700 pounds budget and you'll get the warranty which means a professional will get sent out the next day if anything goes wrong. from my experience they are not so pricey as they used to be but be prepared to talk to monkeys on the tech support XD
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#20 Sep 06 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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reebieeeeee look in inbox! lol..thanks for ur guidance everyone, ill come back online later on and check if anyone else has left any gems of wisdom for me to ponder over :) thanks again!
#21 Sep 06 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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I have the game running comfortably on an 8600M GT with 2 gigs of RAM. Set the game to fullscreen in your native resolution. Turn textures to low and boot the game. If the graphics are horribly laggy, you can set the sampling to 3/4 resolution which will drastically improve performance at the cost of making the game look worse.

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#22 Sep 06 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Reebie wrote:
laptops are a rip-off money wise. The same £700 would have got you a near-perfect PC. Not to mention the lifespan of a laptop if you play up-to-date games on it will be little more than 6 months... they dont have enough ventilation and being compact only makes it worse. laptops are good for only one thing - doing homework on the train to work/school


My Asus G1( which is now three and a half years old and still works fine ) and my new G73Jh would like to have a word with you.
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UnknownSoldier wrote:
To add onto laptops being a ripoff as far as gaming goes, the same can be said if you buy a pre-built PC. Building your own PC will always save you money, a surprisingly large amount. If you buy a pre-built PC you're paying extra for the brand, for a PC that will be sub-optimal to what you could have built yourself.

As I was telling someone in the iRC channel last night, right now you can build a nice Core i5 setup that can easily run any game today for under $1000.


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Most (all?) name-brand computers (except maybe Alienware... are they still good these days?) will give you what are seemingly great stats -- they will boast about what an awesome HDD it has, or a DVD-RW (lol), or even sometimes a nice GPU card.

What they DON'T tell you, is what Northbridge the motherboard has, sometimes the RAM is in small print, or they give you an incredibly cheap keyboard/mouse or even monitor.

They will always try to skimp you somewhere on something. I know someone who bought a Dell a couple years ago, and paid $300 more for their Dell than I did my personally, custom-built PC tower. Their argument was "But I got the Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, and Monitor with it!"

I proceeded to point out that:

A). Their system had half the RAM mine did. That was a good $50 right there.
B). Their keyboard sucked, as did the mouse. Combined value: $20.
C). The speakers were also Junk. I could have picked up a better pair from Wal-mart for $15.
D). Their motherboard was absolutely junk. One of those Dell brand makes. If I recall, it had a VIA chipset of all things.
E). Their HDD was a little smaller than mine.
F). My computer blew his away in a benchmark.
G). Their monitor was a 17-freaking inch. You can buy those for $200 nowadays.

So, basically, he spent $300 more for inferior parts, only to gain $235 (Monitor/Keyboard/Mouse/Speakers) value. lol.

Don't _even_ get me started on the Ripoffery that is Apple nowadays.

tl;dr: Build your own computers, get a friend to do it. It is easy to do, takes very little actual tech knowledge, and will save you hundreds of dollars.

Edit: BTW, the Benchmark scores are actually misleading. I've yet to upgrade my video card (I'm running an x1650 IIRC), and I scored a 2100 on the benchmark. Even with the graphics at a fairly high setting, I'm getting a consistent 30-ish FPS in moderately populated areas. I don't have an FPS counter, but I do recall other games that do have an FPS counter, and the types of skips/jerks/etc seem like 30-ish to me. Either way, very playable, even at 2100 score on LOW.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 3:00pm by Lyrailis
#24 Sep 06 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Lyrailis wrote:
the Benchmark scores are actually misleading
I'm getting a consistent 30-ish FPS
I don't have an FPS counter
Smiley: dubious

There are many free options for a fps counter.
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bsphil wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:
the Benchmark scores are actually misleading
I'm getting a consistent 30-ish FPS
I don't have an FPS counter
Smiley: dubious

There are many free options for a fps counter.


I plan on getting one here sometime, but for now I will suffice to say that the game is playable, and it _looks_ like 30-ish to me. But if you really want...

Update:

15-25 FPS in Gridania with lots of people nearby, 28-40 FPS on those Windurst-like bridges with nobody (or 1-2 people) nearby, and I saw an even 30-35 in the woods outside.

So yeah, about 30-ish average, 'cept in town, on medium settings with a benchmark score of 2100.

This is windowed, with 2 firefox windows, and FRAPS running in the background. I think FRAPS might have been eating a little bit of my CPU resources, in-town seemed a little more choppy than it was this morning.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 3:17pm by Lyrailis
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