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#52 Sep 07 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Default
turn shadows off (lowest in config, and "character shadows off" in in-game config)
they're ugly and buggy and unrealistic
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#53 Sep 07 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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DirectorCobbs wrote:
turn shadows off (lowest in config, and "character shadows off" in in-game config)
they're ugly and buggy and unrealistic
Shadows already off in-game, can try lowering them in the config too though.

EDIT: No performance change.

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 10:41pm by bsphil
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#54 Sep 07 2010 at 9:43 PM Rating: Default
well my framerates are listed in a post above. i do well with a 250 gts. everything on high (because low and high have no performance difference) at 720p, with special stuff off, and AA off
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#55 Sep 07 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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For some reason I have a GTX260 and the game runs at maybe 20-30 fps. Thats pretty low compared to recent games like singularity or something that run at 60fps constantly on very high. I'm only running on mid to low and high textures (Textures don't seem to affect my fps at all for some reason, 30 on high, 30 on low). A friend has a similar ATI card and he gets nearly double the fps.
#56 Sep 07 2010 at 9:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just installed my third (thanks Jereth!):

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I'm positive the bottleneck is my CPU, I have a Q9300 that is overclocked to 3.2ghz, but just doesn't have the oomph to push this game. Others running i7's with two 260's seem to have good FPS, and I'm planning on upgrading to an i7 next year hopefully.
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#57 Sep 08 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm running:

Q9550 2.83ghz Quad Core
8gig DDR3 RAM
GTX260

Windowed at 1920x1200, with no AA, Standard Shadows, High texture quality and highest texture filtering

I don't know my actual FPS, but I have never noticed any lag in game except when it starts raining it gets a little jittery, or if I walk into a camp and there is 9 million people there. Perfectly playable and looks great.
#58 Sep 08 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
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FFXIV has an option to render the 3D graphics at a lower resolution than the actual screen resolution. So for example you can run the game at 1600x1200 for the high res menus and have the 3D game graphics rendered at a lower resolution.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 12:12am by Lobivopis
Did that. No change in fps.
What's your system specs?
Actually, I take that back. About a 5 fps increase out in the field by using half-sized buffer, basically no change in cities or at camps. Graphical quality dips tremendously though, not remotely worth it.

i7-720QM (1.7 Ghz - 2.9 Ghz)
mobility radeon HD 5870
8 GB DDR3 RAM

Running windowed at 1280x720, no AA, standard shadows, low textures, low texture filtering. Ambient occlusion/depth of field obviously both off.


You are running 1280x720 on a video card with 32 color ROPs so I wouldn't expect there to be any difference. 1280x720 uses so little of the cards fillrate that cutting it further isn't going to make much of a difference.


Try bumping up the resolution to 2560x1600 and set the buffer to half and you'll see a difference. On my 5850 it was a difference of 20-25 FPS with Buffer set to "Resolution" vs 45-50FPs with it set to "half".



Edited, Sep 8th 2010 4:34am by Lobivopis
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#59 Sep 08 2010 at 1:47 AM Rating: Default
update:

i can run 8x-16x AA), shadows at highest, higher resolutions, etc and still be at 30 fps in cities / 60 fp outdoors. only performance hit was a 15 fps drop outdoors. Indoors stayed the same. this game is weirdly coded

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 3:53am by DirectorCobbs
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#60 Sep 08 2010 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Running the game at standard without AA and shadows, full screen 1680x1050. Getting 40 FPS outdoor and around 20 in town.

Experimented a bit. Shadows seems to have almost no effect on my FPS. Putting AA at 2x gives me a decrease in FPS by about 3-4. Also tried windowed at 1400x720 and get the same FPS.

Although between stock and OC my CPU I get a better rank at the benchmark, I do not see any increase in FPS.

Game runs smoothly on my setup and looks good. Do not feel the need to upgrade.
#61 Sep 08 2010 at 7:36 AM Rating: Default
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im using a geforce 9800 GTX+

the game runs fine, could be better but its playable.
#62 Sep 08 2010 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Lobivopis wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
FFXIV has an option to render the 3D graphics at a lower resolution than the actual screen resolution. So for example you can run the game at 1600x1200 for the high res menus and have the 3D game graphics rendered at a lower resolution.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 12:12am by Lobivopis
Did that. No change in fps.
What's your system specs?
Actually, I take that back. About a 5 fps increase out in the field by using half-sized buffer, basically no change in cities or at camps. Graphical quality dips tremendously though, not remotely worth it.

i7-720QM (1.7 Ghz - 2.9 Ghz)
mobility radeon HD 5870
8 GB DDR3 RAM

Running windowed at 1280x720, no AA, standard shadows, low textures, low texture filtering. Ambient occlusion/depth of field obviously both off.


You are running 1280x720 on a video card with 32 color ROPs so I wouldn't expect there to be any difference. 1280x720 uses so little of the cards fillrate that cutting it further isn't going to make much of a difference.


Try bumping up the resolution to 2560x1600 and set the buffer to half and you'll see a difference. On my 5850 it was a difference of 20-25 FPS with Buffer set to "Resolution" vs 45-50FPs with it set to "half".
My monitor is only 1920x1080.
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#63 Sep 08 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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shykin wrote:
For some reason I have a GTX260 and the game runs at maybe 20-30 fps. Thats pretty low compared to recent games like singularity or something that run at 60fps constantly on very high. I'm only running on mid to low and high textures (Textures don't seem to affect my fps at all for some reason, 30 on high, 30 on low). A friend has a similar ATI card and he gets nearly double the fps.


I have a 260 also and have similar results. Since it is beta I am going to wait a few months after release and see if things improve. The gameplay is smooth, so I imagine it may be even better down the road.
#64 Sep 08 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I experimented with lots of cards and my personal opinion was that it's not all that worth it to upgrade because even with a 460 or 470, the fps still drops a ton around aetherite and in town. I'm not sure if it's the same with a 5850 or 5870 because I couldn't test those. This was with a Phenom II X4 at 3.8 ghz btw. I decided to go with a new HD 4870 1gb for about 100$.
#65 Sep 08 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Before anyone goes and buys a GTX260 or a GTX460 and drops it into a rig that is on its last legs, you may want to wait for the GTS450 to come out. It should cost around $140 and perform about as well as the GTX260. It draws much less power and uses only one 6 pin power connector, so you won't have to worry about upgrading your PSU either.
#66 Sep 08 2010 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
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AMD phenom X4 9950
2 gigs 1066 ddr2 ram
Elsa 9800gtx+
1360x768 res

Runs just fine on default settings.
#68 Sep 08 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Victrola wrote:
I have an i7 920 @2.6Ghz and ATI 4850 graphics card (which is just a smidge better than 9800GT). I definitely don't recommend this card (or game), 'cause these cards, despite being powerful and prevalant, are below what is good enough to play @Resolution on even the lowest setting (720p).

These two sites are baller for seeing what cards can do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in6RZzdGki8

Just ctrl+f and search for whichever # like 9800. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the pixel fillrate GP/s stat that is most important. Without like 13 GP/s minimum, I imagine you will be unsatisfied with the looks (it's really fugly if you can't play @Resolution). So if you are still around and thinking about a card to slowly grind to your heart's content, make sure it has a high pixel fillrate!
Victrola! Great to see you're still around.
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#69 Sep 08 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Funny, I'm running @1080p on default settings with an 8800GT, with no problems whatsoever.

Core 2 Quad 9550
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#70 Sep 08 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Thx again for all the great input guys.
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#71 Sep 08 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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I'm playing with a GTX260.

Specs:

Intel Core i7 950@3.07 GHz
RAM: 9 GB
Windows 7 64-bit
Nvidia GTX 260 w/ latest drivers, no OC

Yesterday and for most of today I was chugging along just fine. I had to re-install drivers though and now it runs like total crap. Can hardly even run.

:(

I see people on this thread saying that the game looks "beautiful" with the GTX 260... I don't know how you acheived this. Maybe I just don't know anything about computers. >.<



I am running on the 260M which is down clocked from the desktop version and have the card OC'd to run better. The game does look stunning and runs lovely in 720P. if you can find the drivers you started the game with and have those re-installed that might make things work better.

Or look into Nvidia's tunning software and that should make everything work lovely?
Overclock your 260 to almost a 280 spec.
#72 Sep 08 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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DO NOT play this on a laptop.

not only because it will run badly, but laptops OVERHEAT when doing intensive gaming, especially with mmos that you play for long stretches. If you want to kill your laptop, go play this game on it.


I use a 250 gts and the game runs fine at 720p w/ high textures and filtering. no occlusion or depth of field enabled. no AA

50-60fps outside of uldah
40-50fps outside gridania
20-35fps in any city
18-25fps near crowds

(q9550 quadcore cpu, 4gb ram)



Really eh? Not all laptops are equal. I have an Alienware M17X I use for all my gaming.
It has the quad core 2.0 ghz proc OC'd at 2.4 ghz
4GB memory running at 1333 MHZ
dual 260' OC'd

you get the hint.

I play L4D2 on it SC2, and no FFXIV and it does not overheat at max load even OC'd I am running
around 55-60 degrees C. Which is within heat tolerances for all components . . . .

So yes a properly configured laptop will run the game and run it just fine. But they aren't cheap
either a good laptop for mobile gaming can range from 2-4k. Way more than a desktop, I am aware.

However people have different needs. I travel for a living and that's the only way I can game while on
the road.
#73 Sep 08 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I am running on the 260M which is down clocked from the desktop version and have the card OC'd to run better. The game does look stunning and runs lovely in 720P. if you can find the drivers you started the game with and have those re-installed that might make things work better.

Or look into Nvidia's tunning software and that should make everything work lovely?
Overclock your 260 to almost a 280 spec.


Hi, Speeral, could you advise me on some good software for OC'ing? I tried using Ntune but it crashes my computer when I try and accept the terms of agreement, obviously this is something that happens to people alot. Is there another program (a guide would be nice as well) I could pick up that would help me to safely OC my card?

I'm sorry to burden you with these questions, but I have never attempted to OC a card before, and I would really hate to ruin anything. :(
#74 Sep 08 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
this is my desktop and it runs FFXIV like ****, however my laptop at being about a year old with a whopping 2 gigs of ram and an nvidia 9800m GTS runs it smooth as ****....... it makes no sense!!

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#75 Sep 08 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Default
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this is my desktop and it runs FFXIV like sh*t, however my laptop at being about a year old with a whopping 2 gigs of ram and an nvidia 9800m GTS runs it smooth as ****....... it makes no sense!!


I took a look at graphic cards benchmarks and how they ranked compared to each other. That Graphic Device(s) ATI Radeon HD 4650 ranked really low even compared to that 9800M you ahve in your laptop.
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#76 Sep 09 2010 at 4:03 AM Rating: Decent
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DirectorCobbs wrote:
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i can run 8x-16x AA), shadows at highest, higher resolutions, etc and still be at 30 fps in cities / 60 fp outdoors. only performance hit was a 15 fps drop outdoors. Indoors stayed the same. this game is weirdly coded

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 3:53am by DirectorCobbs


Inside of a room is less geometry to render than being outside walking around the streets so that's pretty normal.

Anything higher than 4x AA is diminishing returns so if you are hurting for performance it's not worth going higher than that.
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#77 Sep 09 2010 at 4:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm running a 9800GT with a Q6600, and the game runs fine. Not great, and it was only @ 2,400 on the 720p benchmark, but it's good enough to be playable/enjoyable. Especially in the short term.
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