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#1 Sep 06 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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i currently have

AMD athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ 2.60
64 bit operating system
4.00GB(RAM)
ATI radeon HD 4870 512mb
motherboard(i have no clue how to check)


so my question is,i need a upgrade but my budget is no more than 500.all my friends
keep telling me AMD is garbage and waste of money in the long run,i will be getting another 500
in about 2 months from now,do i wait and combine my money and wait few months n upgrade to Intel or do
i go and get some amd parts now?to me it doesnt really matter i just wana be able to play the game,i already have a monitor and
ahrd drive,keyboard,mouse etc,can anyone help me and shed some light on this?im not a fanboy of either company i just want something i can play but if
its really a waste of money 6 months from now then i wana know why people keep telling me AMD is crap but intel is so **** expensive :(

#2 Sep 06 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Whoa, commas do not take the place of a space.

AMD = cheaper and not quite as powerful, but a better value for the price
Intel = more expensive but top of the line for processing power

For $500 (I'm assuming you have DDR3 memory?), you can upgrade your mobo and get an i7-950:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211

It's a beastly processor and just got a nice price cut. Just need to make sure that the motherboard will fit into your case, you have an adequate PSU, the RAM will fit inside properly, etc.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 8:02pm by bsphil
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#3 Sep 06 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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Athlon II/i3 < Phenom II < i5 < i7

If you want affordable performance, go with the Phenom II X4. If you want high end performance and don't mind paying out the nose for it, then go for an i5-750 or better or i7.

You might be able to manage with your 4870 for the time being, and you didn't specify what type of power supply you have, or the speed and type of RAM you have. If you have DDR3 RAM and a good power supply, you should be able to buy any motherboard/CPU you want for $500. If you only have DDR2 RAM and/or your PSU needs to be replaced, you might want to go with a Phenom II.
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#4 Sep 06 2010 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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No AMD is not crap.

Well if I had a choice between the best AMD processor and the best Intel I would probably go Intel. That being said AMD offers quite affordable products that will get the job done. You can get a quad core Athlon II 3.0ghz for around 100 bucks. Personally I always get AMD processors because I'm poor and I've never had one stop working, catch fire, or bring about the rapture.

Processor: For $500 bucks total I'd say AMD is your best bet, but you can get an i3 for around 100.

GPU: GFX460 will run you around $200. 250 series is cheaper but a big loss in performance

Motherboard: You can check buy looking at it ^^. they will usually say EVGA 680i or something, just google it and see what is compatable with it. If a quad core isn't compatable with it you can get a new one for ~100

Ram: just make sure its compatible with the motherboard, stick with around 4Gigs

Power Supply: I dont know exaclty how much power a system like that will need, but I'd make sure you have ~700 watt power supply. It too will say on it what it's watage is. If you have like 400-500 time to upgrade probably. That will run you ~100.

So if you don't have to get a hd, ram, or a case I think your in a good position to make a very nice rig for 500 to 600 bucks, lower if you really look for deals.
#5 Sep 06 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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PSU??im guessing u mean power supply?should i upgrade my video card as well or just get another on of exact kind and do the SLI crossfire thingy with dual video cards?im basically siting at 500 in funds,but like i said is it worth it or better to get annother 500 and wait few months and get intel parts?the parts i listed are the ones i purchased before and what i currently have but i didntdnt build it,so i have no clue what they do or what they are compatible with etc..sorry :(

Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply
GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4 AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Black Edition Processor ADO5000DSWOF
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ
#6 Sep 06 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I prefer AMD. I have a Phenom X4 9650 and it works great with the game. It usually sits at about 55-64% evenly across all four cores(according to Task Manager) during FFXIV play, with spikes to 70-75% for just a second at a time. Not bad.
#7 Sep 06 2010 at 9:11 PM Rating: Good
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mogomd wrote:
PSU??im guessing u mean power supply?should i upgrade my video card as well or just get another on of exact kind and do the SLI crossfire thingy with dual video cards?im basically siting at 500 in funds,but like i said is it worth it or better to get annother 500 and wait few months and get intel parts?the parts i listed are the ones i purchased before and what i currently have but i didntdnt build it,so i have no clue what they do or what they are compatible with etc..sorry :(

Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply
GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4 AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Black Edition Processor ADO5000DSWOF
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ


Power supply looks okay. Since your motherboard is only an AM2, I'd recommend upgrading it to one that supports AM3 and getting a Phenom II, or getting an i5-750 or better. If you're buying new, I'd definitely advise -against- anything lower than a Phenom II or an i5-750 (or i7). Saving a little money by buying a lower class processor like an i3 or Athlon II just means you will be replacing it that much sooner. The same is true of any part, really; sending a little more now will mean it's that much longer before you have to replace. Think about it: If you can spend $500 for a machine and replace it in two years for another $500, that's $1000 for 4 years. If you can spend $750 now and get it to last you 4 years, not only do you not have to worry about it for twice as long, but you're SAVING money.

Now as you get towards the top end like the 480/5970/Ares or the i7-980X, you're spending a lot more for a smaller increase in performance proportionately, but in terms of the mid range gaming layer, the difference between a $500 rig and a $750 rig is MASSIVE.
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#8 Sep 07 2010 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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You don't really need all the 'high-end' and 'high-priced' stuff that people claim you will to run FFXIV on high settings.. or at least 30+ FPS

You could just by an AM2+ DDR2 board for $60, Phenom II X4 CPU for $110.

Your 4gb of DDR2 is fine though with the 64-bit OS you could just find an AM2+ triple channel board and add another 2gb stick. Otherwise, 4gb would be adequate for your setup + the 64bit OS.

Your PSU is perfectly fine (especially with an ATi card)

Your 4870 is perfectly fine (I use a 4850, on high settings, shadows med. and occlusion/depth of field off)

Comparable, I'm on an intel Q8300 (stock 2.5ghz), cheap biostar micro atx board, 2gb of ddr3 1066 (that's right, 2gb), 7200 wd caviar, 700w ultra pro PSU...

...and I always get 35+ FPS, except near crystals/packed cities where I get an average 7-8 FPS drop.
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#9 Sep 08 2010 at 2:17 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks for the info everyone,so im about to finally order my parts and purchased them,and as one of the posters said $750 is better,so my funds now will be 750 or less,ive found a few pieces and i wana know if all these things go together(as in compatible with each other)..i also dont know how much ram i need or the different values and numbers,do they make a difference?would i need a more powerful PSU(currently have 600w) with this setup?and how much ram do i need?4G?16g?and im thinking of keeping my current video card and upgrading that in month or so,would that fit or be compatible with this setup?sorry for all the questions,just wana make sure before i buy these,and one last question i need a decent hardd rive does it make a difference what kind?
so heres my wish list that i will be purchasing this friday

1.CPU-----AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849

2.OCZ AMD Black Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3BE1600C8LV4GK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227496

3.ASRock 890FX DELUXE3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157196

4.XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103011

5.XION Power Real XON-1100P14HE 1100W ATX 12V v2.2 / EPS 12V v2.91 / SSI 2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817190025

this whole package puts me jsut shy of 750,which i can afford,not sure if those are the best pieces/performance for a budget of 750,sorry for all the questions but i appreciate the help :( from anyone
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Your 4gb of DDR2 is fine though with the 64-bit OS you could just find an AM2+ triple channel board and add another 2gb stick. Otherwise, 4gb would be adequate for your setup + the 64bit OS.


I think 4GB is more than enough. I didn't realize how little RAM this game takes. I did an experiment(only about 15min long, I'll probably play around a little more later) to see how much resources the game was taking. For RAM the most I got it to take while running around by an Aetheryte with about 25 people around, and with Google Chrome and Windows Media Player open in the background, my RAM was only at 2.16GB out of 4. Windows Vista btw.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 11:46am by BRizzl3
#11 Sep 08 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Would I get noticable improvement if I upgrade from my Phenom II x4 940 to X6?
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I'm not a super tech guy, at least I don't pretend to be any more, I just got too lazy to deal with it all so I went looking for an out of the box system. I'd been running an older Alienware system for 7+ years and knew I had to get something more up-to-date for the release of FFXIV - below is what I purchased from Newegg and by all accounts it has been amazing.

Model - Gamer Supreme 987SLCK
Processor - Intel Core i7 875K(2.93GHz)
Processor Main Features - 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
Memory - 8GB (2GB x 4) DDR3 1333
Hard Drive - 1TB SATAII
Optical Drive 1 - 24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive
Graphics - ATI Radeon HD5870 1GB
Audio - Sound card - Integrated
Ethernet - 10/100/1000 Mbps
Keyboard - iBUYPOWER USB Deluxe Keyboard <~~ This keyboard was terrible, it felt like I was typing on tiny sponges & I replaced it.
Mouse - iBUYPOWER USB Mouse
Operating System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Special Features - Zalman Z7 Gaming Tower - iBUYPOWER Gaming Liquid Cooler-Overclock ready

I spent more than I would probably have spent I building but it's running great, it's probably more than I'll need, but it will last me for several years to come. If I get out of this what I got out of my Alienware (pre Dell) than it will have been $$ well spent.

It scored a 4748 on the FFXIV benchmark at highest settings and I played all weekend and in the evenings this week on all the highest settings and have had no noticeable problems. It's run smoothly and looked brilliant. The only hang-ups I have are the ones everyone has had - random crashes and busy servers. It has performed well out in the field and in town. Like I said, I probably paid more but this box should last me a long time without any additional purchases (I hope...)
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