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#1 Sep 07 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Default
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Did FF11 have an unofficial mainly English speaking server where by coincidence or divine providence a large portion of the population was North American or Euro? If so, is there a server like that planned by the community for FFXIV.

I'm not xenophobic at all, I played DAoC for five years with tons of Euros. I just love socializing and it's impossible with someone who doesn't speak English.

I know stuff like this works because the community did it with unofficial RP servers for games like Warhammer Online and even WoW (because WoW had no RP servers at release).

#2 Sep 07 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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My experience with FFXI was that there was pretty much a totally even distribution of regions on each server. I would not be too worried about it personally, unless the game is a total flop, the servers will be more than populated enough to support a thriving social community.
#3 Sep 07 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I am actually worried about it. For instance, Gysahl is actually VERY Japanese. From people I have seen there when I played on it, I'd say it was a good 70% Japanese, 30% other. I would hate to join a server, get to level 20 or so and realize there's just not enough people I can communicate with and have to change servers.

I realize lots of FF MMO players have only played FF because they aren't as much into MMOs as they are FF. I, on the other hand, have played the following MMOs.

Dark Age of Camelot
WoW
Anarchy Online
Everquest 1 and 2
Ultima Online
Warhammer Online
Aion
City of Heroes
Lord of the Rings Online
Age of Conan
Shadowbane
Star Wars Galaxies

There are actually more that I can't think of but I've pretty much played every paid MMO that has ever been released. I love MMOs and every single one I have ever played has separated different cultures due to the language barrier. I LOVE to chat with people and be social. If I can't do it in this game it will ruin it for me so I'm really hoping I don't get unlucky.

I don't know why Squenix feels the need to do this but it is a bit short-sighted to force people who can't communicate with each other to play together.
#4 Sep 07 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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All of them will be english speaking servers, though population is a different matter.
The Japanese are ahead of us, and the Yanks behind us time wise, so the peak times for each vary.
Now they need enough server capacity to satisfy the biggest populations peak, whilst one of the others might be able to fit onto less total servers.
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I don't know why Squenix feels the need to do this but it is a bit short-sighted to force people who can't communicate with each other to play together.

I'm guessing you're not familiar with the auto-translator then. There are a number of words and phrases you can use that will be translated into the recipeint's language, whether it's Japanese, French, or German.

From simple phrases such as "Yes, please" or "No thanks" (which I understand the Japanese actually consider somewhat rude), to more complicated phrases like "I don't know how to answer that question." You can communicate pretty effectively in-game. Well enough to get your point across, in most cases.
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#6 Sep 07 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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am actually worried about it. For instance, Gysahl is actually VERY Japanese. From people I have seen there when I played on it, I'd say it was a good 70% Japanese, 30% other. I would hate to join a server, get to level 20 or so and realize there's just not enough people I can communicate with and have to change servers.

I realize lots of FF MMO players have only played FF because they aren't as much into MMOs as they are FF. I, on the other hand, have played the following MMOs.

Dark Age of Camelot
WoW
Anarchy Online
Everquest 1 and 2
Ultima Online
Warhammer Online
Aion
City of Heroes
Lord of the Rings Online
Age of Conan
Shadowbane
Star Wars Galaxies

There are actually more that I can't think of but I've pretty much played every paid MMO that has ever been released. I love MMOs and every single one I have ever played has separated different cultures due to the language barrier. I LOVE to chat with people and be social. If I can't do it in this game it will ruin it for me so I'm really hoping I don't get unlucky.

I don't know why Squenix feels the need to do this but it is a bit short-sighted to force people who can't communicate with each other to play together.



you didnt play FFXI ? lol dont worrie about the japanese or german players ,
you can party with them and even make friends even tho endgame ganna be JP vs NA on some alliance vs horde level

the auto-translator works greats just like in FFXI
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#7 Sep 07 2010 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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Whats wrong with german players ?
Most german players do speak english. They are in "international" Endgame LS'es in FFXI...like you know everyoneelse.

While a lot portion of the jp players try to join jp ls'es in terms of endgame.

I would say there are A LOT more JP Players not speaking english besides the "jp onry" stuff and USA hate.
If you are a german/spanish/whatever EU player and tell them you are NOT US ( generally its: english speaking = us , thinking , i know this BS because its world language ) they suddenly start to like you.
#8 Sep 07 2010 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default
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I don't know why Squenix feels the need to do this but it is a bit short-sighted to force people who can't communicate with each other to play together.


The auto translate feature is actually quite amazing when you learn how to use it. I can speak with japanese players all the time without a problem.

Any yeah, just dont tell them if you're American lol. I never had the problem because I'm Canadian. But for the most part, when you see a JP say "English Only" he basically means, "No Americans" lol. I dont blame them really, many American online gamers are racist scum.

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 11:58am by Soezu
#9 Sep 07 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Most people who play FFXI enjoy the cultural and language differences on the servers. I am in an endgame shell and we have quite a few Japanese members. It's just something you will have to get used to in FFXIV and it's what they made auto-translate for.

As for the narrow-minded comment, they were narrow-minded enough to give us the opportunity to play their Japanese MMO. Keep that in mind when you make moronic comments like that.
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#10 Sep 07 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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@Soezu

I can understand what you mean. I am an American and even I try to seek out the Canadians and Europeans to play with. 99% of my blacklist in XI were fellow Americans (and 1% gold spammers), I can't remember one rude European or Canadian I ran into in the 6 years I played. I still, for the life of me, can't figure out why there is such a difference in manners and attitude.

Though when it comes to JP players, I find them mostly to be pretty Xenophobic. It didn't matter if you were American, Canadian, or European. If you weren't Japanese, they didn't want to talk to you. Unless of course you were a RDM and they needed you. As for me personally I started putting NA only in my comments when I was on RDM. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you won't join my party because I am not Japanese you aren't going to get benefit out of me when you can't find a JP RDM.

There is a site, I believe JPbutton.com, that has questions asked to JP players. There is a section there that says even if they can speak English they won't, and don't want to party with anyone who does. But if you try to speak Japanese they will party with you. It isn't just a matter of American when it comes to the JPs, at least in XI, it seems it was a case of my culture is better than yours, which is a shame.

Just my opinion on that :)

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 9:17am by CrazyDemo

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 9:18am by CrazyDemo
#11 Sep 07 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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[quote]But for the most part, when you see a JP say "English Only" he basically means, "No Americans" lol. I dont blame them really, many American online gamers are racist scum.

Wow, that is a generalization.

I find it is not JP vs. NA. It just seemed that way b/c NA and JP occupied most of the game. It is not a hate thing, it was just that XI really relied on communication. If the JP party could not communicate with the NA tank on the dynamics of that particular party then bad things were bound to happen unless time was taken to use the auto-translator to the best of their ability.... even still it was still kind of a sketchy situation to be in. The same is true with the flip side. Say the blm or whm is a JP and the party is NA. I have been in this situation. The party just doesn't work to its fullest potential. (it is a little easier to cope with a DD that doesn't speak the language of the PT because you really just need to explain the skillchain for the most part)

The fundamental difference was NAs just wanted to PT so they were willing to join JP parties despite the language differences. JPs would rather have efficient, high exp yielding PTs or no exp at all. To have these kind of PTs, communication is key. So my point is, it isnt JPs hate NAs, it is a communication thing.
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#12 Sep 07 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Your best bet is to try and join a linkshell of English speaking people who are all going to join a server together. Then you are already in a community of people (that speak english) when you join...

I have exactly the same feelings about the language thing, but I played FFXI and the auto translator is kind of fun! But having English people to kick back with is also nice...

...hence I am after my own adive, if anyone knows a english linkshell, message me :)
#13 Sep 07 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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Your best bet is to try and join a linkshell of English speaking people who are all going to join a server together. Then you are already in a community of people (that speak english) when you join...

I have exactly the same feelings about the language thing, but I played FFXI and the auto translator is kind of fun! But having English people to kick back with is also nice...

...hence I am after my own adive, if anyone knows a english linkshell, message me :)

I started one on Besaid. Link's in my sig.
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#14 Sep 07 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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xaladen wrote:
I am actually worried about it. For instance, Gysahl is actually VERY Japanese. From people I have seen there when I played on it, I'd say it was a good 70% Japanese, 30% other. I would hate to join a server, get to level 20 or so and realize there's just not enough people I can communicate with and have to change servers.

I realize lots of FF MMO players have only played FF because they aren't as much into MMOs as they are FF. I, on the other hand, have played the following MMOs.

Dark Age of Camelot
WoW
Anarchy Online
Everquest 1 and 2
Ultima Online
Warhammer Online
Aion
City of Heroes
Lord of the Rings Online
Age of Conan
Shadowbane
Star Wars Galaxies

There are actually more that I can't think of but I've pretty much played every paid MMO that has ever been released. I love MMOs and every single one I have ever played has separated different cultures due to the language barrier. I LOVE to chat with people and be social. If I can't do it in this game it will ruin it for me so I'm really hoping I don't get unlucky.

I don't know why Squenix feels the need to do this but it is a bit short-sighted to force people who can't communicate with each other to play together.


You call SE short-sighted for not segregating serves by language, but you never played FFXI to see how the multi-language environment actually works? Looks like you're the one who is short-sighted.

Also listing all the games you have played doesn't make you better, or make your opinions count more. It just makes you sound like a douche.
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#15 Sep 07 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I find this whole thread ridiculous. I played FFXI with

1. plenty of awful Japanese players
2. plenty who don't speak english or chose not to
3. plenty who were great
4. plenty who only needed me when they couldn't find a jp player

etc etc etc

I played FFXI with

1. plenty of awful American players
2. plenty who don't speak japanese or chose not to
3. plenty who were great
4. plenty who only wanted to play with americans

I never understood this whole attitude towards the JP players. They are just players. They are not special. When you stop treating them like they are, the perception and or attitude that they are, will go away.

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Cornelia(コーネリア) JP community 4, population 5 : 5, Unofficial EU(in core site)
Melmond(メルモンド) JP community 3
Kashuan(カシュオーン) JP community 2, population 6 : 4
Palamecia(パラメキア) no JP community that I know of
Gysahl(ギサール) JP community 2
Mysidia(ミシディア) JP community 4, population 7 : 3
Istory(イストリー) JP community 3
Figaro(フィガロ) JP community 3, population 7 : 3
Wutai(ウータイ) JP community 2
Trabia(トラビア) JP community 2
Lindblum(リンドブルム) JP community 2, population 3 : 7
Besaid(ビサイド) JP community 3, Unofficial RP server(by RPC)
Selbina(セルビナ) JP community 6, population 7 : 3
Rabanastre(ラバナスタ) JP community 2
Bodhum(ボーダム) JP community 3

Unofficial JP server
by order Mysidia, Figaro, Selbina, Cornelia or Kashuan

JP community can be fan site(example zam), social/chat group like twitter, facebook.

population JP : non JP

of cause every server will have mix. lone players will join any server if they didn't visit fan site or have foreknowledge. not sure about newer server that was just added.
#17 Sep 07 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I never understood this whole attitude towards the JP players. They are just players. They are not special. When you stop treating them like they are, the perception and or attitude that they are, will go away


That's just it. They are only misunderstood. As an above poster stated, they do rely on communication a lot. That is another reason for plenty of the JP ONLY /seacoms. But many times I was able to get into Japanese exp parties just because I told them I was Canadian. Also if you know you're with Japanese players make sure to use the auto translate function. It really makes a huge difference for both sides.

I actually really enjoy the cultural diversity in FF. It feels more real to me as I live in one of the most mutli cultural cities in the world. ( Toronto )
#18 Sep 07 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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So let me get this straight...if a Japanese player says "No Americans" it's because AMERICANS are racist scum?

Irony, thy name is....uh, irony.

I was always under the impression that the Japanese and Americans got along really well.
#19 Sep 07 2010 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
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ISystemXI wrote:
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As for the narrow-minded comment, they were narrow-minded enough to give us the opportunity to play their Japanese MMO. Keep that in mind when you make moronic comments like that.


So the real reason they're letting US play THEIR MMO is due to benevolence and has nothing to do with money? Gotcha.

I'm not the one who came on here and said I don't want to play with anyone but Americans. I simply said it would be confusing to play with someone who didn't speak English since I don't know any other languages.

Then out of the blue I hear how the Japanese and other parts of the world don't want to play with Americans? So I'M THE FREAKING RACIST???? Amazing, simply amazing. If this game is filled with THAT many people who hate Americans and won't play with them maybe this isn't the game for me. I have no problem with any race, religion or creed but there's one thing I won't tolerate and that's xenophobia.
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in FFXI I played odd-hours so the non segregated servers were a great boo as I mostly played with people on the other side of the world. The Auto-Translator works just fine and I don't see how it will be any different in XIV. The world-wide servers are one of the things I loved most about XI and was very happy to see returning, I personally find it interesting that you can be in a group that is literally all over the world and work together.
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So let me get this straight...if a Japanese player says "No Americans" it's because AMERICANS are racist scum?

Irony, thy name is....uh, irony.

I was always under the impression that the Japanese and Americans got along really well.

inorite? There will always be some people like that, it doesn't take an international server for one player to exlude another for some random reason...


I've seen some NA put similar things against JP

I've seen some JP put similar things against NA

No matter where in the world people are from, players will sometimes hate on each other for whatever reason they can, just because international servers may mean a few international haters doesn't mean the entire idea should be scrapped. Otherwise we'd all be playing on our own servers solo since someone might exclude us for some stupid reason on normal servers.
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Quite frankly I don't give a flying rat crap what language you speak. I speak english, if you don't, so what. I'm not going to go out of my way to communicate across language barriers, just like, if I had to guess, %50 of the JP or Canadian players =P (if not more).

Everyone treats MMOs like they are some kind of cultural melting pot where we have to learn to live and co exist in a virtual society, which is crap. It's still, at the end of the day, just a game, and I play with the people I choose to, and if that's based on language preference, so be it. But in the same respect, I'm not expecting people who don't speak English as their native tongue to go out of their way to communicate with me.



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#23 Sep 07 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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So what I'm taking from this thread is that the only rude people in the world are from America.

*rolls eyes*

That and in itself is such a rude and bigoted statement.
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I find this whole thread ridiculous. I played FFXI with

1. plenty of awful Japanese players
2. plenty who don't speak english or chose not to
3. plenty who were great
4. plenty who only needed me when they couldn't find a jp player

etc etc etc

I played FFXI with

1. plenty of awful American players
2. plenty who don't speak japanese or chose not to
3. plenty who were great
4. plenty who only wanted to play with americans

I never understood this whole attitude towards the JP players. They are just players. They are not special. When you stop treating them like they are, the perception and or attitude that they are, will go away.


Well said sir
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I don't mind playing with EU and JP players, I would eventually like at least 1-2 NA based servers though. Getting 250-300 ping because their servers are in japan when I get 30-60 ping on every other mmo is kind of lame.
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