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#1 Sep 07 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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Here is an example of the DoH and Dol starting tools stats.

DoH tools have stats for Craftsmanship, Magic Craftsmanship and Control.
DoL tools have stats for Gathering, Output and Scanning.

DoH:

Weaver:
Primary - Rusty Needle
Craftsmanship = 9
Magic Craftsmanship = 8
Control = 7

Secondary - Maple Spinning Wheel
Craftsmanship = 7
Magic Craftsmanship = 9
Control = 8

DoL:

Fisherman:
Primary - Weathered Fishing Rod
Gathering = 9
Output = 8
Scanning = 7

Secondary - Bronze Gig
Gathering = 8
Output = 7
Scanning = 9

Summary:
For DoL, equip your secondary tool for scanning abilities such as "Gulleye" and "Lay of the Land".

For DoH, I have no idea what Magic Craftsmanship does. I'm guessing "Control" influences the your choices during synthesis, perhaps the crystal condition.

Goodluck!



Edited, Sep 9th 2010 1:46pm by RufuSwho
#2 Sep 09 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Has anyone figured out what the difference between Craftsmanship and Magic Craftsmanship is?

Could someone post the stats for a pair of higher level Primary and Secondary tools?

I like to see if the trend continues to widen, or if it is simply on a 1-10 scale.

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 1:48pm by RufuSwho
#3 Sep 09 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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RufuSwho wrote:
Summary:
For DoL, equip your secondary tool for scanning abilities such as "Gulleye" and "Lay of the Land".

Wait, what?

You equip the main tool in the main hand, then the secondary tool in the off-hand.

Disciple of the Land secondary tools are used for the "rapid" gathering; cutting grass/herbs for botany and beating up rocks with mining. I believe fishing is harpooning?

This isn't a decision from the player, but an automated action when standing near one of those specific gathering nodes, unlike DoH jobs who have different tools that can be used to make things with.

I suppose you might have meant that you should equip the abilities "Gulleye" and "Lay of the Land" on your off-hand, which I have never tried, but will definitely give it a shot tonight.
RufuSwho wrote:
Could someone post the stats for a pair of higher level Primary and Secondary tools?

I like to see if the trend continues to widen, or if it is simply on a 1-10 scale.

Zam item database:
Bronze Hatchet, level 1 main tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020001
Brass Hatchet, level 20 main tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020003
Bronze Scythe, level 1 secondary tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020007
Iron Scythe, level 25 secondary tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020102


Edited, Sep 9th 2010 2:00pm by Docent42
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#4 Sep 09 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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When you add an ability to the toolbar, you can choose main or off hand. Depending on the weapon/tool equipped, you may have better results with that ability using the off hand weapon. This is what he was talking about above. ;)
#5 Sep 09 2010 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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Docent42 wrote:
RufuSwho wrote:
Summary:
For DoL, equip your secondary tool for scanning abilities such as "Gulleye" and "Lay of the Land".

Wait, what?

You equip the main tool in the main hand, then the secondary tool in the off-hand.

Disciple of the Land secondary tools are used for the "rapid" gathering; cutting grass/herbs for botany and beating up rocks with mining. I believe fishing is harpooning?

This isn't a decision from the player, but an automated action when standing near one of those specific gathering nodes, unlike DoH jobs who have different tools that can be used to make things with.

I suppose you might have meant that you should equip the abilities "Gulleye" and "Lay of the Land" on your off-hand, which I have never tried, but will definitely give it a shot tonight.
RufuSwho wrote:
Could someone post the stats for a pair of higher level Primary and Secondary tools?

I like to see if the trend continues to widen, or if it is simply on a 1-10 scale.

Zam item database:
Bronze Hatchet, level 1 main tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020001
Brass Hatchet, level 20 main tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020003
Bronze Scythe, level 1 secondary tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020007
Iron Scythe, level 25 secondary tool, Botanist: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=7020102


Ahha! Excellent, the gap does indeed get wider at higher level.

Level 20 Brass Hatchet has 37:Gathering and 29:Scanning

level 25 Iron Scythe has 40:Gathering and 45:Scanning

It looks like you really have to pay attention to what tool you are using for what activity. Also, you have to compare your available tools stats to see if you should be using main or off-hand.

Stats appear to fluctuate rather than a straight increase. Nice that the tool increases results. Iron Scythe has 35:Output! Seems it would have a cumulitive effect with your own higher skill.

Certainly adds another layer of depth to crafting and gathering.
#6 Sep 09 2010 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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My question:

What exactly could a higher scanning stat provide to Lay of the Land? It's not chance-based, there's no variables in its effect. It tells you where something is and how far it is from you. I don't see how higher scanning could help with this, unless it somehow increased max range...but eventually wouldn't that lead to massive spam from the scan skills? Even a level 1 primary tool can scan out to 300 yalms.
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#7 Sep 09 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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I had the same thought. My first thought was extended range, but that really is unnecessary.

So one guess is that there are other higher level Class scanning abilities. Perhaps one that points to the highest quality node in range, up to your max tool range.

Or perhaps the act of scanning somehow alters the results of gathering. I suppose that's a little far-fetched. I hope there will be some testing after people obtain the high level tools. I'll be testing myself when the time comes.
#8 Sep 09 2010 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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Kevrlet wrote:
My question:

What exactly could a higher scanning stat provide to Lay of the Land? It's not chance-based, there's no variables in its effect. It tells you where something is and how far it is from you. I don't see how higher scanning could help with this, unless it somehow increased max range...but eventually wouldn't that lead to massive spam from the scan skills? Even a level 1 primary tool can scan out to 300 yalms.
I think scanning doesn't necessary have to do with the node-finding-abilities, after all the word the game is using for that is "survey", maybe the scanning "stat" is checked when you are actually gathering for the point... in which case it won't matter in which hand you place your ability.

But indeed the findings of this thread are interesting, after all I don't think anyone mentioned something about off-hand/main-hand placement before.

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