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#1 Sep 08 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly just spent 10 min trying to join a group on lvl 20 leves, and with other char other 10 min on lvl 1 leves...

If u have a spot why dont you invite? seriously?... no is is gonna pull the boss, no one is gonna fight you over loot, the exp loss isn't much and the money rewards aren't split, on the very worst case scenario, the extra guy you invite will only kill himself... so why the **** ppl insist on soloing on a Online game? there are more then 14 FF offline titles to solo...

Odd strange, rly can't understand whats the secret about not adding every one to the group...
My only guess is that WoW made ppls brain shrink so much that they can't do anything with other ppl unless they have a sort of addon that tells them to do it...
#2 Sep 08 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Trust me by lvl 20 leves everyone will have suddenly become 'interested' in teaming up. sh*t gets hard.
The first 20ish levels in the other FF MMO tend to be solo, looks like the same again.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 1:05pm by RattyBatty
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#3 Sep 08 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Some people are just shy. Go to party in the Main Menu and see if you can find someone looking for a group. Or make your own and see if anyone joins.
#4 Sep 08 2010 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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trust me I spent 10 min in camp horyson, im a rank 15 conj, and 4 groups that wernt full just said no or ignored me... other 3 guys were trying to solo leves...
#5 Sep 08 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
Maybe the 4 groups you saw was groups of friends? Its possible.
#6 Sep 08 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't even know how to group. Is there a LFG chat channel, or a LFG menu or something?
#7 Sep 08 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Once retail hits and things get hard, people will group.

There really is no incentive to 'go further' in this game at the moment.
#8 Sep 08 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Pretty much what has been said, no real reason to advance in a beta.

However, I have found if people can solo they will. Such as in AoC, I raised 3 classes to 80 and soloed each and every one. Not by choice mind you, no one would group unless they could not kill a boss. Once the quest was completed they would drop party and head off to solo again.

Never could figure out why so many prefer to fly solo when grouping is more entertaining. I like to have some solo time as much as the next person, but to solo all day, every day, does not interest me in the least.

To each their own I reckon.
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#9 Sep 08 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some people are just shy. Go to party in the Main Menu and see if you can find someone looking for a group. Or make your own and see if anyone joins.

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Maybe the 4 groups you saw was groups of friends? Its possible.


These pretty much sum it up, me thinks. Only thing I would add is that some people may just be experimenting/learning still. So they want to solo until they feel confident enough in themselves to join a group. In the meanwhile, take the initiative and try to start your own party!

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Trust me by lvl 20 leves everyone will have suddenly become 'interested' in teaming up.


Yeah, already noticed that just at rank 10+ when I'd stop into aetheryte hubs to snag some bait. Much more people interested in grouping as opposed to getting dodo-zerged on their own. I've put my fishing on hold a few times already to help heal for some groups. They get to complete their levequests, I get some "free" xp/loot/fun and maybe make some new buds, and everybody is happy. Funny how that works! ;)

EDIT** Irrespective of our chars getting wiped, since this is still beta, it's just so much more fun to group anyways, at least for me. And the more experience we can gather testing in beta (as far as game mechanics goes...not leveling/ranking up), the better our launch experience, at least to an extent (Don't want to spoil everything or get burned out!). Would love to see more people willing to test and experiment with battle regimen(s), for example.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 1:38pm by Giblos
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#10 Sep 08 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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If u have a spot why dont you invite? seriously?... no is is gonna pull the boss, no one is gonna fight you over loot, the exp loss isn't much and the money rewards aren't split, on the very worst case scenario, the extra guy you invite will only kill himself... so why the **** ppl insist on soloing on a Online game? there are more then 14 FF offline titles to solo...

Odd strange, rly can't understand whats the secret about not adding every one to the group...
My only guess is that WoW made ppls brain shrink so much that they can't do anything with other ppl unless they have a sort of addon that tells them to do it...


LOL. even when it has nothing to do with WoW, you are bashing it. :)
but at this topic you are really unfair.
the average wow-gamer TALKS with you, he crafts or enchants something for you, he opens portals for you or he conjurs food/water for you. most important thing: he ANSWERS your questions(ok, sometimes it may be:"stfu and get away". but you get an answer, a reaction.

in this game(ffxiv) i feel like playing a sologame with a lot of bots in it.[and THIS time you cant say:"this is still beta..."] nobody answers my question(and there is a looot to question here), there is not even a reaction to my chatting and shouting...
i am missing the "social live" of a mmorpg...
and now you complain here that nobody invites you?? it fits perfectly to these guys....
(dont blame wow-players, they would ASAP invite you!)

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 1:43pm by atwerq
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LOL. even when it has nothing to do with WoW, you are bashing it. :)
but at this topic you are really unfair.
the average wow-gamer TALKS with you, he crafts or enchants something for you, he opens portals for you or he conjurs food/water for you. most important thing: he ANSWERS your questions(ok, sometimes it may be:"stfu and get away". but you get an answer, a reaction.

in this game(ffxiv) i feel like playing a sologame with a lot of bots in it. nobody answers my question(and there is a looot to question here), there is not even a reaction to my chatting and shouting...
and now you complain here that nobody invites you?? it fits perfectly to these guys....
(dont blame wow-players, they would ASAP invite you!)


Ha! I have to agree with you here. This has nothing to do with Wow - and Wow players are not the stereotypical type that so many people gripe about. Those are just certain people and they're going to be in whatever game they want to be in - might even come to this one. My experience in Wow has had it's ups and downs, but in general, it has been a fun game and I have gained many friends from all over the place that I stay in touch with even outside the game.

In any event, also the way you ask something may have to do with whether you get a response or not. If you go around blasting people for not letting you in their group, then other players are going to see the way you act and not want you in theirs either. Also, they're not obligated to invite anyone in their group they don't want to have in it. In addition to that, if I'm not mistaken (and I may be) when you do the guildleves you have to choose ahead of time the size of the group you're playing, so maybe those groups chose to play 4-player groups and didn't have the room for you. How could you even know if they had an extra spot or not?

In addition to that, maybe your class didn't fit in with what they needed to do. In any event, there's no sense in coming in here and putting down Wow just because you had a bad day and couldn't get into a group. From the looks of your post and your seemingly brash attitude, I don't know if I'd take you in my group either.
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#12 Sep 08 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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Whenever I am crafting in a city, I take the time to answer people's questions. I guess it just depends on who you around and where you are.
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Whenever I am crafting in a city, I take the time to answer people's questions. I guess it just depends on who you around and where you are.


I tried to do that earlier and it was something hard to explain so I physically walked them to the cutscene they needed for the 2nd quest in Ul'dah...then explained how I knew it was there...

It's really mixed right now, sometimes it does seem so dead though. I like being helpful and then sometimes I wanna /shout "Anybody else wanna take this one??" Not that I'm mr. perfect and helping everyone...but you know what I mean...sometimes when I craft at a camp it's kinda funny to watch people freeze and go silent when someone wants a party...actually sad, but still funny when that person/group leaves & you see all these people come to life, quickly initiating their solo leves

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 1:59pm by TwistedOwl
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#14 Sep 08 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Only thing I would add is that some people may just be experimenting/learning still.


I know this is why i didnt want to join a group at first.I want to be a benefit to my party and not hinder them in any way.Even though i was a long time veteran of FFXI and am very familiar with strategy and fighting in mmo's it still took me about a week til i could fight effectively.

It took me about a hour just to map my controller to my liking.And when i tried to make macro's doing it the way i did in 11 nothing worked.Give people time they will come around.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 2:11pm by SsXTricKeY
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#15 Sep 08 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah...

I was in Gridania, where the aggro 'wolves' are and people were getting slaughtered.

There were like 5 of us and I should have started a group, but didn't really know how and basically waited for someone else to start one.

In any case I go and try to use my awesome agrro avoidance techniques I learned from FFXI and got aggro'ed by a wolf. I decided to go down fighting when a Thaumaturge started to heal me. If it were any other game I would have invited him to PT, but I just didn't know how. It might be as simple as clicking on their name and invite but that's also tough to do when you're managing (now) two wolves.

I did get to use taunt on my PUG, but I don't really know if it works. The mob animations seem much more fluid so I can't tell when the mob is losing aggro in me.

In the end I think it really might be a combination of things: A less than obvious party system, people just want to explore the world on their own time, and of course the aforementioned 'no real incentive' to level fast.

#16 Sep 08 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I am sticking mostly to crafting leves, and I do those solo:), but yeah, I tend to answer ppls questions, and I even pop stuff out of my bazaar and give them away... it's a beta, I could care less:). I am only selling stuff cause I don't feel like shouting, and I could always use the gil to get higher crafts and see what's there...

As for partying, ppl actually have been more friendly about partying than in XI from what I remember. In 11 people would laugh at you if you tried to party at < lvl 10. As a con (10), it's a pain to solo anything worth fighting, and people ussually just stand at one of the hubs and /say for pts. It's not too bad considering that each different hub works for a different level (most are in the camps, but I have seen a few in the further out areas... VERY few). While I haven't made it to lvl 20, the lvl 10 people seem to be a lot friendlier. I am assuming people who are twenty are the people racing to the top, and they are pretty much not the friendliest sort...
#17 Sep 08 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Never could figure out why so many prefer to fly solo when grouping is more entertaining. I like to have some solo time as much as the next person, but to solo all day, every day, does not interest me in the least.

To each their own I reckon.


It is more interesting to party and sometimes I can, so an MMO is nice.

But, before the kids go to bed (need I say more?) I can do a leve quest, sit my character, put on the kids' pajamas, craft a couple spools of yarn, read bedtime stories, go kill some puks for wind crystals, sing a song to my daughter, get killed by a sheep (nope can't kill them yet), put the kids back in bed when they get out, finish a local leve quest, give them some water, kill some rats for minor skill ups, go have a smoke with my wife on the front porch and then, yes then, I could actually party.

All I'm saying is it's nice to be 50% afk but still advancing slowly. It's not that I don't want to party, I just can't. And I'm surely not the only one trying to simultaneously juggle gametime with life.

Uninterrupted game time is a luxury.

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 3:31pm by RufuSwho
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For me, I tend to solo whenever possible for the simple reason that grouping, in my past experiences, has turned out bad more than good. For example, if you make a simple mistake or if you simply are not as seasoned at the games as the others in the group, they treat you like a liability for not being as 'hardcore' as they are. Sometimes, they even just kick you out without a word of explanation or anything. Now, I am different. Anytime I was in a group, I tried to be accommodating to the less experienced in it. Sometimes this led me to **** heads with the other members simply for this reason. in short, mainly I prefer soloing because there are far too many people out there that take a game way too seriously. This is not to say I haven't been in great groups, cause I have, just stating what seems to be the majority of my problem with grouping. And just for the record, by the tone of the OP, doesn't sound like that would be a fun group to begin with...
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Yeah...

I was in Gridania, where the aggro 'wolves' are and people were getting slaughtered.

There were like 5 of us and I should have started a group, but didn't really know how and basically waited for someone else to start one.

In any case I go and try to use my awesome agrro avoidance techniques I learned from FFXI and got aggro'ed by a wolf. I decided to go down fighting when a Thaumaturge started to heal me. If it were any other game I would have invited him to PT, but I just didn't know how. It might be as simple as clicking on their name and invite but that's also tough to do when you're managing (now) two wolves.

I did get to use taunt on my PUG, but I don't really know if it works. The mob animations seem much more fluid so I can't tell when the mob is losing aggro in me.

In the end I think it really might be a combination of things: A less than obvious party system, people just want to explore the world on their own time, and of course the aforementioned 'no real incentive' to level fast.


This confused me for a while as well. But, it is the same as opening doors, and interacting with your NPC and touching a note, or crafting, or trading with another person. It is all handled through the Interactions menu.
Target a person, and bring up your main menu, and you will see entries in the interactions menu (the top portion of your main menu). One of them is Invite to Party.

Currently that's the only way I know how to invite someone...
#20 Sep 08 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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For me, I tend to solo whenever possible for the simple reason that grouping, in my past experiences, has turned out bad more than good. For example, if you make a simple mistake or if you simply are not as seasoned at the games as the others in the group, they treat you like a liability for not being as 'hardcore' as they are. Sometimes, they even just kick you out without a word of explanation or anything. Now, I am different. Anytime I was in a group, I tried to be accommodating to the less experienced in it. Sometimes this led me to **** heads with the other members simply for this reason. in short, mainly I prefer soloing because there are far too many people out there that take a game way too seriously. This is not to say I haven't been in great groups, cause I have, just stating what seems to be the majority of my problem with grouping. And just for the record, by the tone of the OP, doesn't sound like that would be a fun group to begin with...


That's too bad.

Did you play/group in FFXI? Even though there were some hardcore groups in FFXI a lot were pretty accommodating.

Unless you were a royal jack@$$, talked/spammed way too much, or were AFK all of the time people generally gave you a break.

The only reason I soloed in FFXI was because I hated waiting for groups. Once I was in the group it was the most fun I've had in an MMO.
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I'm sure you'll see alot more grouping when live comes around. right now people are feeling out mechanics I think, and not so much trying to level all that far ahead.
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For me, I tend to solo whenever possible for the simple reason that grouping, in my past experiences, has turned out bad more than good. For example, if you make a simple mistake or if you simply are not as seasoned at the games as the others in the group, they treat you like a liability for not being as 'hardcore' as they are. Sometimes, they even just kick you out without a word of explanation or anything. Now, I am different. Anytime I was in a group, I tried to be accommodating to the less experienced in it. Sometimes this led me to **** heads with the other members simply for this reason. in short, mainly I prefer soloing because there are far too many people out there that take a game way too seriously. This is not to say I haven't been in great groups, cause I have, just stating what seems to be the majority of my problem with grouping. And just for the record, by the tone of the OP, doesn't sound like that would be a fun group to begin with...


That's too bad.

Did you play/group in FFXI? Even though there were some hardcore groups in FFXI a lot were pretty accommodating.

Unless you were a royal jack@$$, talked/spammed way too much, or were AFK all of the time people generally gave you a break.

The only reason I soloed in FFXI was because I hated waiting for groups. Once I was in the group it was the most fun I've had in an MMO.


Never played FFXI. I tried a trial once, but at the time, I didn't have much time to spend gaming and I couldn't struggle past the interface. I ended up just moving on and letting the trial expire without barely taking a step into the game. Now that I have a PC controller, I wonder if it would be a different experience? Not sure they would give me another stab at it, though.
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