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#1 Sep 09 2010 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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I'm really looking forward to the full release of the game. I know it's been said a million times that this is just Beta but I feel like it can't be said enough.

I think all the negative Nancy people are just anxious to find out what the retail version has to offer, and in their anxiousness they focus on the limited content and they speculate and worry and nitpick.

I really can't wait until the game gets into full swing a few months after release. The economy will be better, bugs will be fixed, people will have gotten used to the game (more so than now) and will be playing it the way it was meant to be played, and people will just be all around happier. Plus there won't be the looming thought of your character being deleted :(

People just need to chill out and stop speculating so much and play the game. Seriously.

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#2 Sep 09 2010 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I personally think criticism is the most important element to improvement.

I tend to think people criticizing are the ones that care the most, and want the game to do as well as possible.

Why spend time writing out 'complaints' about things you don't care about?

Now is the best point in time to voice out problems. It's THE POINT of beta runs. So when you say "This is beta", critical people might just reply "Exactly".



Edited, Sep 9th 2010 8:29pm by RattyBatty
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#3 Sep 09 2010 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
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OH gosh, let's not turn this into one of THOSE threads. No fanboy accusations here please xD

No, I was simply talking about the people who are QQing about how this isn't the game they wanted, they were hoping for so much more, they're canceling their subscription blah blah blah etc. Basically the people hoping that their opinion is going to change FFXIV into a completely different game. Blah.

Of course Beta is a time to flesh out the problems and fix them and I'm sorry if I didn't make my point clear, of course there are minor (and major) changes that need to be addressed, but for the most part, this is the game we're going to be playing and I, for one, am extremely happy with it.



Edited, Sep 9th 2010 8:32pm by Toboy
#4 Sep 09 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with the OP. Playing a game in beta and playing the official release will not only play diffrent, but it will feel diffrent. Every level you get and every skillup will matter since it improves your character. And once everyone manages to get established Linkshells up and running the community will be alot happier and feel more connected. And those who still do not enjoy the game will leave this wonderful game to us who will.

Sidenote: Ofcourse criticism and complaints are relevant if they can help to improve the game, If no one complains nothing will change. But there is a distinct diffrence between constructive criticism and plain outright whining.

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#5 Sep 09 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ratty said it best, IMO.

I am very outspoken about the things in the game I don't like, but that's just because I really want this game to be great. There is alot of potential in this game, it is by far the most unique MMO experience I've had. I don't want to see it alienate potential players because of awkward systems, unintuitive gameplay, or just SE being stubborn about their bad ideas. (Ahem, no hardware mouse support!?)

I'm a complainer, I do it well. But That hasn't stopped me from constantly playing this game since I got access to it.
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#6 Sep 09 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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uhm someone stated this before but you know that open-beta is pretty much what the game will be like when it is released? There usually never are drastic changes. However, during the months to come is where to keep your fingers crossed.

The whole "its beta thing" ended with closed beta. This is open beta which is almost the polish of what the game will be like :X

edit; oh and just incase, yah the lmitations on leveling/quests is a no brainer :)

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 8:43pm by geotrick
#7 Sep 09 2010 at 6:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is a forum for feedback, and that forum actually gets read by SE. Just sayin' Smiley: smile
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#8 Sep 09 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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Like I said, for the most part this is the game we are going to be playing, it's not quite "polished" (I wouldn't use that word yet) but the core dynamics (lol, dynamis) of the game are there, and they will remain.
#9 Sep 09 2010 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Kudos for some intelligent remarks minus the flames. Ratty summed it up perfectly IMO.
#10 Sep 09 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I know it's been said a million times that this is just Beta but I feel like it can't be said enough.


I think all the people who are saying this is just a beta need to understand that this is NOT a beta, it's a stress test. This portion of testing is meant to test hardware and software stability. Those who think features are going to be added or changed for release are delusional.

Seriously, take half a second to think about it. Beta is for testing, anything that was going to be changed would have been done so by now. Anything that gets changed from this point on isn't going to be tested, which would defeat the purpose of the beta phase.
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I think the critics are largely people who object not to the details of the game, but to the fundamentals. It's like objecting to your waffle because it lacks the qualities you really would expect to see in a pancake. It's a waffle! Eat it, or get something else. Explaining all the ways it isn't a pancake is just irrelevant. Some people like waffles and some like pancakes. That doesn't make either one good or bad, it's a matter of taste. So too, there are people who just don't like Final Fantasy MMOs. There's nothing wrong with that, but to my mind, they equate "I'd prefer a different kind of game" with "this game is bad," which is completely fallacious.

Of course, some of the people are criticizing faults and flaws that can and will be fixed. They are taking this free, pre-release product, and criticizing it because it's not a complete, retail release product. And that's just the same thing. You might be wanting a free retail demo of the game, but this isn't it. Complaining that it isn't won't do any good, and the fact that it isn't doesn't bear on whether the retail release will be acceptable.

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 9:20pm by Solimurr
#12 Sep 09 2010 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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I think alot of our focus right now is going into what gameplay mechnics and technical fucntions work and what doen't. When we think back about our best moments in FFXI, I dont think most of us remenice about that time SE added a new UI function or fixed an annoying bug. I think we remember all the long nights spent leveling with our friends or finally beating that rank 10 mission. Once the game is established I think we will be able to make such great memories in this game too and all this squabble will feel like a silly memory left to the past.
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#13 Sep 09 2010 at 7:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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When I was a kid, some men at the grocery store once asked my mom to test their upcoming peanut butter product (the one with big jam swirls mixed into it). She took a free jar home and had us test it out. We had some negative feedback about some aspects of it. (Not nearly enough jam ratio, i think was the main one).

I guess a lot of kids said the same things to their moms, because a couple months later it launched, with the aspects we disliked corrected. We bought a jar.

A beta is 'free' because what they want from us is feedback more than cash at that point. So keeping problems to yourself is robbery, voicing issues is paying up.

SE, don't be cheap on the 'jam' OK!




Edited, Sep 9th 2010 9:51pm by RattyBatty
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#14 Sep 09 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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Toboy wrote:
and in their anxiousness they focus on the limited content
I don't care if they lack content. It's a beta. Lack of content is fine.

Wint wrote:
There is a forum for feedback, and that forum actually gets read by SE.
There is not a big enough Smiley: dubious for this statement.

Edited, Sep 9th 2010 9:13pm by bsphil
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#15 Sep 09 2010 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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There is a forum for feedback, and that forum actually gets read by SE. Just sayin'


Thank you! Constructive critiscm isn't constructive if your shouting it randomly or posting it here. Your only making me want to hug you, and then things just get awkward.
#16 Sep 09 2010 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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RattyBatty wrote:
I personally think criticism is the most important element to improvement.

I tend to think people criticizing are the ones that care the most, and want the game to do as well as possible.

Why spend time writing out 'complaints' about things you don't care about?

Now is the best point in time to voice out problems. It's THE POINT of beta runs. So when you say "This is beta", critical people might just reply "Exactly".



Edited, Sep 9th 2010 8:29pm by RattyBatty


Sometimes though as we learned throughout FFXI (and life in general) some people just like to ***** for the sake of *********
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#17 Sep 09 2010 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
I think we need to distinguish between criticizing perceived problems with the game and criticizing the game, or the people, etc overall. Especially when the elements we have the right to criticize right now we don't know if will or will not be changed in the game. Criticism is great, but not when it's general, unsupported, and linked to thinks that may or may not have the problem being criticized.
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#18 Sep 09 2010 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
[quote=RattyBatty]I personally think criticism is the most important element to improvement.

I tend to think people criticizing are the ones that care the most, and want the game to do as well as possible.

Why spend time writing out 'complaints' about things you don't care about?

Now is the best point in time to voice out problems. It's THE POINT of beta runs. So when you say "This is beta", critical people might just reply "Exactly".


Sometimes though as we learned throughout FFXI (and life in general) some people just like to ***** for the sake of *****************

And some people are such blatant apologists for SE it's a wonder they aren't drawing paychecks from them.
#19 Sep 09 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Some of the moaners and complainers and SE bashers here have made the mistake of setting their expectations too high. If you have followed FFXIV news since the game was announced it should be no surprise that it's not running very well at this time. The game is clearly being rushed out the door, the writing has been on the wall for a long time. Remember how unimpressive the first gameplay videos were from Gamescom 2009? In order to have a very polished product now we would have needed to see something far more substantial a year ago.

In SE's 2010 fiscal report back in May they said "Final Fantasy XIV (FFXIV) is still slated for a 2010 release". In other words "We know a 2011 launch would be more ideal but we're sticking to our guns, it's going to come out this year". The alpha was delayed. Fundamental changes were made to the battle system during the alpha. This is a game that is far from being polished and it should have been expected by anyone who's been paying attention. I'm a bit shocked at all the "omg this game sucks I'm canceling my preorder" comments. What in the world did these people expect? A miracle?

I didn't expect FFXIV to launch as early as 9/22/10. I applaud SE for getting the game up and running at all and I didn't expect it to be running very well yet. I'm thrilled to be able to play it this soon, to be able to get a feel for the game and meet up with old friends, make new ones and get a linkshell established.

It's unfortunate that some people had lofty expectations for this game at this stage of it's life but that's not SE's fault. Of course SE is going to listen to the biggest concerns of the playerbase and put their development efforts towards eliminating the biggest problems. Looking at their track record for FFXI this is what they've always done. They're not perfect and they've made mistakes but they deserve credit for shaping FFXI into a great MMO. This is why I have faith in them and even though other MMOs may run better and play better than FFXIV right now, I believe SE will provide a great product for anyone willing to give them a little patience.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 12:37am by TauuOfSiren
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#20 Sep 09 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that I don't totally understand either. What's with the lynch mob that attacks anyone critical? Being fed up with complaining is cool and all, but it's strange there's a following of ppl adamantly assaulting those that mention bugs.

Either, a) trying to talk the bugs into not existing or b) claiming all problems come from not using an i7 and 1gig videocard
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