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#52 Sep 10 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah it couldnt have been FFXIV lol.

the PC worked flawlessly for a year and a half then after a week of playing FFXIV where it pushes all the hardware to their peaks due to horribley coded, un-optimized FFXIV, it then crashes out with either a fried MOBO or CPU. Yeah, I agree...FFXIV had nothing to do with it lol.

/sarcasm off

The fact that the CPU was always at or above 90% usage, sometimes spiking up to 100 shows something's wrong with the games programming.


Seriously, how old was your CPU/Motherboard? It was probably due to degradation over the years and just happened to finally bust when exposed to a next generation game. My CPU goes up to about 70% playing FFXIV, my GPU goes up to 90%+, they still haven't broke.
#53 Sep 10 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
Get a second opinion. I've never heard of a game ruining a PC. I've heard of overzealous overclocks ruining a PC. I've heard of wonky power supplies ruining a PC. I've heard of ill placed soda glasses ruining a PC. Never a game, no matter how poorly optimized.

You said you smelled something like burning wires from the back of your PC. Guess what? Your motherboard doesn't have any wires, and nor does your CPU. Your power supply does, and guess where your PSU vents to? So unless you physically watched them check your PSU with a voltage meter under a variety of circumstances to confirm that power was stable and on point with the voltages it should have been producing, I think you got a clueless tech. Be careful where you take your hardware for diagnosis...a lot of places aren't the least bit shy about feeding you a line if they sell the hardware they're telling you that you need to replace. If they convince you that your motherboard is pooched, they can probably convince you that you can't get the kind of motherboard your CPU requires so you have to buy a new CPU, too.

All signs point to a PSU issue and if you're not diligent in addressing it now, it sounds to me like it's going to cause you a lot of needless extra money.

Protip: while messing around with my cooling system, I had my video card unplugged so that I could move some thing around. I forgot to plug in the power cables after I put everything else back together and tried to fire up the PC. You know what I got? One long, loud beep and then nothing. It's the sound my motherboard makes when there's a video card connected to one of the PCI-E slots but no power to the card. Hint.

Hint. Hint.
#54 Sep 10 2010 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Well. Took my PC in to a tech shop. Long story short we narrowed it down to the Motherboard, CPU, or BIOS.

Definitely was not the power supply.

Definitely was not the RAM.

Definitely was not the video card.

So they basically said that only leaves the Motherboard, the CPU, or just the BIOS. Most likely the motherboard. And from what I know, If I'm going to replace the motherboard I might as well replace the CPU as well. At this point I might as well just build a new PC all together. This just wont happen at the moment as I'm a broke *** student.

So the thread title holds true. FFXIV fried my PC. :(

Have fun when it launches guys. Wish I could be there because I really loved the game. Just cant afford to rebuild my PC. Really ****** me off because not only can I not play FFXIV anymore, but I cant play any game anymore =\

Thanks for all the replies and everyone trying their best to try and help me figure out what was wrong. I hope this doesnt happen to anyone else. But I doubt it, simply because FFXIV is so intense on everyones hardware. Even on top end PC's. Square Enix really needs to optimize their game a lot more.

Farewell, and happy hunting in Eorzea.

Soezu.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 5:30pm by Soezu


You don't have to rebuild the whole PC if you're on budget, just replace the parts one buy one.
If you're pretty sure it's the CPU and mobo causing the problem, just get a CPU + mobo combo from newegg.

For example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500635

Now that you know your memory is working, you can get a new mobo based on the type of your memory. The one I listed above is a DDR3 1333 (pc 10666) type of memory, if your using DDR2 or other type, just look for a board that works with it. I was once a poor student and a gamer too, I couldn't afford to upgrade my computer every 2~3 years, so instead, I just upgrade the parts one by one through out the years.
#55 Sep 10 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Making a quick post to tell people the heat ranges your GPU/CPU should be.

CPUs run cooler than a GPU and depending on which one it should be between 40C-60C. Above 60C is a little too warm (Again, depending on your CPU). Get a heat monitor program and check what do you idle at (No games or programs), what is it under load (Playing a game) and what is it's top temperature (manufacturer/google). If your CPU is idling at 60C, It's probably too hot. If it's 60C at load, it's fine.

GPUs run hotter, again depending on card. My GTX260 idles at 47-50c and under load goes from 72C-80C. My GTX260 top normal temp is about 95C so I'm well into the safe range. The numbers can range much larger for GPUs and will be much hotter. Some are good until around 115C. Some shouldn't go over 80C. FFXIV is a demanding game and if your computer had a minor cooling problem it may turn major. It's good to know this stuff in general.

Speedfan and HWmonitor are good examples of programs to use. Thought some people might want this information and I didn't see a post about it.
#56 Sep 10 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Default
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Get a second opinion. I've never heard of a game ruining a PC. I've heard of overzealous overclocks ruining a PC. I've heard of wonky power supplies ruining a PC. I've heard of ill placed soda glasses ruining a PC. Never a game, no matter how poorly optimized.


Yup, a game that is pushing everything except the most up-to-date hardware to it's max could not possibly cause an issue simply because you've never seen it happen, not a chance at all.

Guess what, I've seen it happen more than a few times, I've even had it happen to me. Which is exactly why I said it was either the CPU or MoBo.

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You said you smelled something like burning wires from the back of your PC. Guess what? Your motherboard doesn't have any wires, and nor does your CPU.


Yes, because the difference in the smell of burning wires compared to a fried resistor or chip is so distinguishable.
#57 Sep 10 2010 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah it couldnt have been FFXIV lol.

the PC worked flawlessly for a year and a half then after a week of playing FFXIV where it pushes all the hardware to their peaks due to horribley coded, un-optimized FFXIV, it then crashes out with either a fried MOBO or CPU. Yeah, I agree...FFXIV had nothing to do with it lol.

/sarcasm off

The fact that the CPU was always at or above 90% usage, sometimes spiking up to 100 shows something's wrong with the games programming.


You can blame SE for a lot of things, but if your CPU temp is above 90C that is not due to either faulty programming or your CPU being at 100% It is due to lack of cooling from your CPU fan (causes of this can differ) and that ain't SE's fault now is it :)

And to be honest, when running FFXIV, my CPU is always above 90%, while my CPU temp is at 57C max OCed. If I don't OC, my temp is at 45C max.

I can see you are bittered though, but do not blame someone or something which have absolutely nothing to do with it ;-)
#58 Sep 10 2010 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, how old was your CPU/Motherboard? It was probably due to degradation over the years and just happened to finally bust when exposed to a next generation game. My CPU goes up to about 70% playing FFXIV, my GPU goes up to 90%+, they still haven't broke.


Years? I had it just over 1 year. I been playing next gen games on it since I got it. Never had a problem until FFXIV. A game that pushed my hardware beyond that of any other game, and did NOT have the same quality graphics. Sure it was probably the best graphics for an "mmo" but I really dont think the graphics compare to other non-mmo games like Crysis, COD, L4D2, BFBC2. Yet it uses up the hardware of like 2 of those games combined lol. There's a reason people are upgrading their PC's to beyond what they should need. And there's a reason PS3 release isnt for 6 months. FFXIV simply is not optimized in any way at all.

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You don't have to rebuild the whole PC if you're on budget, just replace the parts one buy one.
If you're pretty sure it's the CPU and mobo causing the problem, just get a CPU + mobo combo from newegg.


Well, see the thing is...When I took the PC into the shop they tested the PSU and said it was fine. Then they went as far as hooking up a brand new PSU in front of me. Same deal as before. Then they put in brand new RAM along with the brand new PSU, same problem. Lastly we tried hooking just the MOBO and CPU up to the PSU and booted it up. Sure enough, 1 long beep. So we came to the conclusion it was probably the MOBO.

Now if I was to replace the MOBO, and it happens that something was wrong with the CPU, then wouldnt that be risking your new MOBO? Also what if somehow the PSU was faulty anyways? Wouldnt that also risk the new MOBO? I was told basically if you are going to replace the MOBO you are best off replacing the CPU and the power supply at the same time. So that leaves what? My DVD drive, my graphics card, and my HDD?

The other problem I come across with just getting a new MB is that the casing for the PC is small and custom fit for the HP. So id probably need new casing too.

Anyone know a place online i can shop for MOBO/CPU/PSU/Casing bundle? I would probably be willing to spend 500$ in a few weeks. I would hope i could get something capable of running games on decent setting with that. Already have GPU, RAM, DVDRW, HDD.

Another issue I thought of is wouldnt i need a new OS also? Dont HP computers not allow you to use the HDD's in other PC's? I thought I read that :(
#59 Sep 10 2010 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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No it didn't....you broke it so man up.
#60 Sep 10 2010 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey I'm a FFXIV fanboy :p

I love the game but **** it's not optimized. Even me being a fanboy I can admit it lol.
#61 Sep 10 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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Hey I'm a FFXIV fanboy :p

I love the game but **** it's not optimized. Even me being a fanboy I can admit it lol.


You're absolutely right, it is not optimized. ****, I'm not even sure what sort of kernel it uses. I've seen nothing of DirectX or even OpenGL, which leads me to believe that SE decided they weren't going to use Microsoft's FREE development tools to program this game. Now, love or hate Microsoft, I'd like to think they know more about running code on their operating system than Square Enix. I hope this gets straightened out before release, I really do.

But as for blaming Final Fantasy XIV for frying your computer? Completely unwarranted. While it is true that a demanding game can destroy some poorly maintained hardware, never in the history of man has it destroyed a well-maintained PC, no matter how great or small the specs. Your PC's maintenance is your responsibility, not SE. They do not design games on the notion that someone may have neglected their system, nor would I want them to.
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I would just go back to the place where you tested it at and have them help you with upgrades. They see stuff day in and day out and it will most likely be a better bet, than trying to piece something together without much knowledge. I know a lot about computers I like to think anyways, but when I go to upgrade, I always go and ask an expert in person and shop for the parts that I need. Plus when you talk to experts they will explain a lot of things that forum junkies like me cannot provide to you :P

You established a budget of 500 dollars, go to them and ask what is the best graphic beast of a pc that I can build with the parts that I have leftover.
#63 Sep 10 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh I agree. I'm probably at fault for playing FFXIV for 10 hours a day for a week straight lol. Nobody forced me to keep playing FFXIV after I realised it was pushing my hardware to it's limits. Especially the playtime I was putting in. What can I say, it's the first time i've actually fell in love with an mmo since my FFXI days years ago.

I am definitley to blame for the most part. But I just cant help but think that if I never downloaded the FFXIV beta that my PC would still be running. :(

I should've just stuck with LOTRO/APB/AION/CODMW2/L4D2/BFBC2 until I either upgraded to a starship enterprise under my desk, or until it came out for PS3 and got it then. Not sure what I was thinking running FFXIV as much as I did with only the recommended requirements

:(
#64 Sep 10 2010 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Get a second opinion. I've never heard of a game ruining a PC. I've heard of overzealous overclocks ruining a PC. I've heard of wonky power supplies ruining a PC. I've heard of ill placed soda glasses ruining a PC. Never a game, no matter how poorly optimized.


Yup, a game that is pushing everything except the most up-to-date hardware to it's max could not possibly cause an issue simply because you've never seen it happen, not a chance at all.

Guess what, I've seen it happen more than a few times, I've even had it happen to me. Which is exactly why I said it was either the CPU or MoBo.

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You said you smelled something like burning wires from the back of your PC. Guess what? Your motherboard doesn't have any wires, and nor does your CPU.


Yes, because the difference in the smell of burning wires compared to a fried resistor or chip is so distinguishable.


There's nothing the OP mentioned about temps that are so out of line that they'd cause the kind of damage you're apparently convinced he's experienced. 105C is the threshold, not 70. Not 80. Not even 90. Above 70 is not ideal, but if that was the kind of temperature that was likely to cause damage, that's where manufacturers would set the throttle point, not 105.

Computers are not cars ffs. They don't have motors to burn out. Absolutely everything the OP described says his GPU isn't delivering enough power to his PSU when it steps up the power demand. You don't have to be a computer professional to search the net and find examples of idle vs. load power consumption on GPUs and see that the difference can be very substantial. And if the power supply can't deliver, the GPU conks out and the BIOS says, "Woah!?! Where the @#%^ did it go?" And then you reboot and the GPU stays in low power mode and everything is fine...until you ramp up the power draw again, the PSU can't deliver, the GPU conks out, and the BIOS says, "Woah!!! Whare the @#%^ did it go?!?!"

Now does that sound like a more sound, logical explanation, or "It's a demanding game dude and it probably cooked ur machine!!!!!"

Think about it.

Edit @ OP: When they hooked up the new PSU to the machine, did they just show you that it booted up properly, or did you have them try to run XIV?

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 7:22pm by Aurelius
#65 Sep 10 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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Oh I agree. I'm probably at fault for playing FFXIV for 10 hours a day for a week straight lol. Nobody forced me to keep playing FFXIV after I realised it was pushing my hardware to it's limits. Especially the playtime I was putting in. What can I say, it's the first time i've actually fell in love with an mmo since my FFXI days years ago.

I am definitley to blame for the most part. But I just cant help but think that if I never downloaded the FFXIV beta that my PC would still be running. :(

I should've just stuck with LOTRO/APB/AION/CODMW2/L4D2/BFBC2 until I either upgraded to a starship enterprise under my desk, or until it came out for PS3 and got it then. Not sure what I was thinking running FFXIV as much as I did with only the recommended requirements

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Sadly, you are probably right...for a time. Until the next big thing came and crippled your hardware. A habit I have, even with my PC maintenance and cooling, is anytime I am playing something extensively, is reach down and put my hand near the case...the side or the front, not the back. Never should you feel heat, it should be all dissipating out your rear vent/fan. Actually, now that I think of it, I just upgraded a little while back and never bothered to tie the cables back, I'd best get on that lest I fall a victim to my own advice. I feel for you Soezu, I really do. I know what it is like to lose a PC and not know where or when you will get a replacement. But, hopefully, this experience will teach you something. But the only way that can happen is if you realize you were at fault. Good luck, bud! Have a beer, it'll be better!

EDIT: I would at least consider what Aurelius is saying, because it is feasible. And if it isn't, you just gained a Power Supply. If it is, you got your PC back. It's a win-win situation!

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:27pm by DragonBourne
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Edit @ OP: When they hooked up the new PSU to the machine, did they just show you that it booted up properly, or did you have them try to run XIV?


No, even with the new PSU it wouldnt boot up. It just sat at a black screen, all the fans were running, keyboard was lit, HD was lit, everything appeared to be fine except the screen was black, and it was making the exact same beeeeeeeeeeeeeep noise as before.

It beeps for 10-15 seconds, then stops for 5-10 seconds, then repeats over and over. Really annoying because it's a Phoenix BIOS and nowhere does it show what a single long beep means lol.

At no point in the past 2 days has it booted up past the black screen and beep noise. We even went as far as unhooking ALL hardware and only having the CPU/MOBO/PSU/RAM only. Same deal...loud long single beep noise.

I was like you man, I coulda swore it was the PSU. I'm almost tempted to actually go out and buy my own PSU and try. If it doesnt work I can alwasy replace it. I never trust computer techs, especially when they're computer salesman at the same time. But hey, not much else I can do being a sort of PC rookie. Well i know a bit, but not enough to diagnose a lot of stuff.

But I dont know, I watched them hook up a brand new 650w PSU from the shelf in the box. And watched them hook it up. Not sure how they could trick me on that.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:35pm by Soezu
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I got this exact same problem moving my desktop once (was moving back into my apartment). Video card loosened a tad and gave me those exact symptoms. Ensure the video card is in tight?

Haven't been following the thread, don't know if this has been addressed or not. Sounds like a GPU problem though.
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#68 Sep 10 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Edit @ OP: When they hooked up the new PSU to the machine, did they just show you that it booted up properly, or did you have them try to run XIV?


No, even with the new PSU it wouldnt boot up. It just sat at a black screen, all the fans were running, keyboard was lit, HD was lit, everything appeared to be fine except the screen was black, and it was making the exact same beeeeeeeeeeeeeep noise as before.

It beeps for 10-15 seconds, then stops for 5-10 seconds, then repeats over and over. At no point in the past 2 days has it booted up past the black screen and beep noise. We even went as far as unhooking ALL hardware and only having the CPU/MOBO/PSU/RAM only. Same deal...loud long single beep noise and a blank screen.

I was like you man, I coulda swore it was the PSU. I'm almost tempted to actually go out and buy my own PSU and try. If it doesnt work I can alwasy replace it. I never trust computer techs, especially when they're computer salesman at the same time. But hey, not much else I can do being a sort of PC rookie. Well i know a bit, but not enough to diagnose a lot of stuff.

But I dont know, I watched them hook up a brand new 650w PSU from the shelf in the box. And watched them hook it up. Not sure how they could trick me on that.


When they had everything except the CPU/MOBO/PSU/RAM disconnected, what did they have the monitor plugged into?
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Edit @ OP: When they hooked up the new PSU to the machine, did they just show you that it booted up properly, or did you have them try to run XIV?


No, even with the new PSU it wouldnt boot up. It just sat at a black screen, all the fans were running, keyboard was lit, HD was lit, everything appeared to be fine except the screen was black, and it was making the exact same beeeeeeeeeeeeeep noise as before.

It beeps for 10-15 seconds, then stops for 5-10 seconds, then repeats over and over. At no point in the past 2 days has it booted up past the black screen and beep noise. We even went as far as unhooking ALL hardware and only having the CPU/MOBO/PSU/RAM only. Same deal...loud long single beep noise and a blank screen.

I was like you man, I coulda swore it was the PSU. I'm almost tempted to actually go out and buy my own PSU and try. If it doesnt work I can alwasy replace it. I never trust computer techs, especially when they're computer salesman at the same time. But hey, not much else I can do being a sort of PC rookie. Well i know a bit, but not enough to diagnose a lot of stuff.

But I dont know, I watched them hook up a brand new 650w PSU from the shelf in the box. And watched them hook it up. Not sure how they could trick me on that.


I know being techs, surely they have done this, but I will ask anyway, because not all techs are created equal...did they reset your BIOS?
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Sorry, mis typed that. there was no blank screen i just in a habit of saying that. It was never hooked up to a monitor in the shop. But it was still making the beep noise just like any other time.
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Soezu wrote:
Sorry, mis typed that. there was no blank screen i just in a habit of saying that. It was never hooked up to a monitor in the shop. But it was still making the beep noise just like any other time.
You did have a video card in though, right?
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The reason I asked if they reset your BIOS is because it simply could be a matter of a bad CMOS battery. the beeping at startup seems to suggest this and it is the cheapest of all of the other possibilities to fix. A couple bucks for a new one. I would start there.
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Sounds like a GPU problem though


No, it's definitley not the GPU. Used the gfx card on my roomates PC and it worked fine.

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I know being techs, surely they have done this, but I will ask anyway, because not all techs are created equal...did they reset your BIOS?


Yes, they reset the BIOS, that was the last resort. I also reset the BIOS last night. Im actually in the process right now of resetting it. I read a few articles that sometimes resetting BIOS can take much longer than you would originally think. Said to take the battery out, switch the clip thing and leave it over night, then put em all back to normal in the morning and try. We'll see tomorrow morning.

But the tech also tested that little battery. Apparently it was fine too.

All in all I really just think something is @#%^ed in the MOBO. But then again that's what they would want me to think, considering after we came to that conclusion they started spouting off MOBO/CPU prices. I hate the computer industry. It's like the new age car mechanic.

Edit: I wish there was someone else around here I could take it to. But that's the only PC store for miles. Only other place is staples and LOL...They'd make me leave it overnight, then charge me 75$ in the morning and tell me it needs a new MOBO/CPU too. I really just need a good friend that is hardcore computer nerd. Anyone here from the Toronto area?! lmfao.

edit#2: I actually went into the shop before going home from school to talk to them about it. They all thought it was the PSU at that point too.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:46pm by Soezu
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My advice is, if you do go with the system overhaul, take their quotes and look them up on newegg.com. Document the prices then take it back to them and ask them to explain. I can guarantee newegg will be cheaper. Either they will at least match, maybe better the price, or you save yourself from being swindled. Another win-win situation!
#75 Sep 10 2010 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, mis typed that. there was no blank screen i just in a habit of saying that. It was never hooked up to a monitor in the shop. But it was still making the beep noise just like any other time.


:/

Get a second opinion. Make sure they reset the BIOS. Make sure they hook up a monitor.

I did a google search for "long solid beep on boot/"

Read.

Read.

Read.

See the common thread? Power cables not seated on video card. Forgot to hook up power to video card. Always related to power and the video card...specifically, the video card isn't getting enough power. I did read one discussion where everyone was convinced that it was a DRAM issue and people were messing around with their memory sticks. For some, that was the problem. For others, it was a power cable not seated properly somewhere.

Not to grind away at the broken record, but if your PC is working like a ******* for extended periods of time, you know what the first thing to fail usually is?

The power supply.

Take it to a shop where they're going to test it properly.
#76 Sep 10 2010 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well the most I could spend this month would be 500$. And that would mean no beer, no weed, and kraft dinner meals for a few weeks straight. But hey, I'm willing! I just dont know if I can get anything worth while for that much.

Thing i have:

Geforce 9800GT
like 8GB DDR2 RAM
DVDRW
HDD

(I really dont want to use my old PSU if i do upgrade)
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Well the most I could spend this month would be 500$. And that would mean no beer, no weed, and kraft dinner meals for a few weeks straight. But hey, I'm willing! I just dont know if I can get anything worth while for that much.

Thing i have:

Geforce 9800GT
like 8GB DDR2 RAM
DVDRW
HDD

(I really dont want to use my old PSU if i do upgrade)


You could get plenty for that, especially considering what you are keeping. Browse newegg and read reviews...you'll find what you are looking for, I guarantee it.

EDIT: And if you really are upgrading your PSU, I would go with buying one of those first and testing it first hand. If anything, it'll get Aurelius off your back! :P

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:54pm by DragonBourne
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Phoenix motherboards never give a long beep. They are more hex. oriented (like 1-2-1). Award though gives a long beep when either your PSU or your motherboard has errors.

Also I do not see any reasons to reset your CMOS. But if you want to do it, 99% of the mobo's have a jumper. Read the manual how to reset your CMOS. If your battery is old and not doing well, you should have noticed it, your clock would not give the right time anymore.

Also you said your CPU was above 90C, this aint normal.

You have put in an other PSU and still the beep.

My guess, it is the mobo, but I am to far away from you to check it better :)

Hope this helps you any further, good luck.



Edited, Sep 10th 2010 11:05pm by Shoomy
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Ouch, man I am sorry for your loss.
Hopefully you'll be running again soon.
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Give me your spare weed and I will give you my spare parts j/k... I am in a funny mood I guess. And your post cracked me up 8)
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Ok i figured out how to stop the BEEP, but this may be obvious why the beep stopped.

From the PSU I need to hook up 2 cords to the MOBO correct? 1 big clunky one that is sort of beside the RAM slots. Then another small 4 slot one that goes sort of near the back of the unit where the USB ports and keyboard ports are, also sorta close to the CPU. When I just plug in the big clunky connector to the MOBO and start it up, there's no beeping. All the fans come on, everything appears to work but no picture on the screen at all and the keyboard/mouse dont work. Then when I turn it off, plug in the smaller connector also, fire it back up, it starts beeping again.

Now I could be total noob, maybe that smaller cord is just what powers the beeper lol. But i dont know.

Oh snap, you know what i should do...I should take out the ram and try botting it up with only the one big clunky cord. That way i know it SHOULD be beeping for no memory. If it doesnt beep i know the small cord has nothing to do with it and just powers the beeper. Man I'm one smart cookie. Who said potheads are dumb?

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 11:09pm by Soezu
#82 Sep 10 2010 at 9:03 PM Rating: Default
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Phoenix motherboards never give a long beep. They are more hex. oriented (like 1-2-1). Award though gives a long beep when either your PSU or your motherboard has errors.



Hmm, no. Phoenix BIOS just doesnt advertise what a long beep means lmao. Because it's 100% a Phoenix BIOS. And it's 100% a "one long beep". That's what i couldnt figure it out in the first place. Because nowhere does it show Phoenix having single long beeps.
#83 Sep 10 2010 at 9:06 PM Rating: Default
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Give me your spare weed and I will give you my spare parts j/k... I am in a funny mood I guess. And your post cracked me up 8)


Hey now. I cant be giving any of my weed away for a month. I'll even be a himey ******* with my roomate. Good thing I have a roach collection of like 100+ roaches! I knew they'd come in handy! OH I also got a coffee grinder lid caked with crystals! Been saving that for a special occasion! I WAS saving it for September 22nd....but yeah :(
#84 Sep 10 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
Th smaller cord powers your CPU. Near the cord on most low-mid range motherboards you should see a row of small cylinders. The top of each of those cylinders should be flat and one piece. Check to see if any are bulged or split.
#85 Sep 10 2010 at 9:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so...that means the CPU is what is beeping?? Because if it's not plugged in it doesnt beep.

Edit: or am i just dumb and the CPU is what does all the beeping?

And yes, all the capacitors (yeah im learning the lingo) are intact across the entire MOBO.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 11:13pm by Soezu
#86 Sep 10 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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Reread aurelius' question and repost.
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I did answer, those are called Capacitors i think lol.
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Sorry, I am tired, so I appologize if this was covered. Is there a lot of dust on the heatsink of the processor? Also if you have it turned off and uplugged from power; grab ahold of the heatsink, does it feel loose or twists easily? Don't apply much pressure when doing this.
#89 Sep 10 2010 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
Soezu wrote:
Ok so...that means the CPU is what is beeping?? Because if it's not plugged in it doesnt beep.

Edit: or am i just dumb and the CPU is what does all the beeping?

And yes, all the capacitors (yeah im learning the lingo) are intact across the entire MOBO.


No, that's your BIOS beeping. You only have one speaker on your motherboard. The BIOS detects errors and beeps a code. It's possible that your voltage regulator is damaged and your BIOS is detecting the power fluctuation to your CPU. So it would appear possible that you let your rig overheat after all, because motherboard capacitors are rated to 105C. Sounds like you've got a mess on your hands. It's a shame that you don't have more options for local techs to take a look at your machine. I personally would still like to see a second opinion on the PSU (because if the power being fed to your voltage regulator is inconsistent, your VREG and CPU could be fine but the BIOS will still detect an error).

Either way, lay off the weed. You can't afford it (in more ways than one).
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First off, more than likely it was a combination of crap parts from HP (IE cheap resistors and caps on the mobo, cheapo or almost as bad stock cpu fan in a tight case, or you had your settings in FF higher than you should have... the last one is assuming you want to keep blaming the game).

People need to realise that anything smaller than an aftermarket midtower (the PC I just built for my wife is in a Cooler Master Elite 310 and it's pushing it for my comfort zone as a gaming case) from an asbuilt company isn't made for high end gaming. Even if it has the latest and greatest CPU and GPU combo, if a case is too small or the price was too low, corners were cut.

There's a reason the "people with big wallets and no lives" purchase MoBos in the mid$250 and higher range, ridiculously large coolers or extravagant water cooling loops, and huge cases. In the computer world there's a finite time line where cost meets performance and becomes value. Sure you don't need an EVGA SR2 or a $1k water cooling setup. The average joe can get by on air cooling with a decent budget case and quality parts (MSI. PNY, and some times ASUS provide low cost but quality mobos and gpus). You can get a decent case for under 50 bones. etc...

All I'm saying is you had some bad luck and it just happened to be FF that you were playing. HP doesn't make gaming PCs (ok they have the Blackbird or whatever, but their normal walmart/bestby stock doesn't cut it), nor do most of the manufacturers who have retail units.

Tell ya what though, if you're going to build your own here soon, I have a quality 800W PSU just laying around (because it's not modular and I'm sick of excess cables). If you need it for your build I'll give it to you for free minus shipping charges. I'll even draw a picture of a moogle on it (I'll draw it on the bottom so no one can see it, because I suck at art). PM me if you want it.

I won't respond to PMs about this PSU from anyone other than the OP. If they don't want it I'll get rid of it locally.
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#91 Sep 13 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah it couldnt have been FFXIV lol.

the PC worked flawlessly for a year and a half then after a week of playing FFXIV where it pushes all the hardware to their peaks due to horribley coded, un-optimized FFXIV, it then crashes out with either a fried MOBO or CPU. Yeah, I agree...FFXIV had nothing to do with it lol.

/sarcasm off

The fact that the CPU was always at or above 90% usage, sometimes spiking up to 100 shows something's wrong with the games programming.


I saw this winge about bad coding..
and after reading your rig spec...

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It's an HP Pavillion
4gb RAM
Intel Dual Core @ 2.6gHz
Geforce 9800gt
550w PSU
dude...

dont be stupid..
UT3 supported quad core and its 2010 now.. wake up.
be it that its not your fault you cant afford to upgrade..
im soooo suprised your rig with that stuff lasted that long if your play bfbc2
im suprised your graphics card (being a 9800gt) didnt climb out the case and stab you in the night for over working it...
you should think your self lucky..
unfortunately computer parts move so fast that if you buy the best gear, in 2 weeks time your already out of date
and your parts are pretty out dated as it is!
It sucks that its soo expensive to keep upto date with hardware, because lets face it.. the games move on with it without giving anyone a real chance unless they are earning well. but the point is..
your using outdated sh*t.. stuffed in an HP
you only have the right to ***** about not having enough money..
even then.. if you are a student with the time to play games 10 hours solid..
get a **** part time job and upgrade your sh*t.
...
rant over.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 1:15pm by thomnus
#92 Sep 13 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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The maximum sustained operating temp for the intel cor2duo 2.66 is 62 deg c per intel's technical data sheets. That means that you were operating at almost 150% of temp spec for a long time. It is worth mentioning that 100 deg C is the temp of boiling water 212 deg F. This means your cpu was somewhere between 180 to 200 deg F for a very long time. I have been working on and building computers for a very long time. I can tell you that 90 c is more then hot enough to do things such as partially melt the plastic of the cpu socket given enough time. This will most likely lead to a short in the cpu socket and fry any number of things on the motherboard.

Why did this happen? Likely for one of two reasons:

A.) Your cpu fan stopped spinning either due to being choked with dust, or an electrical problem.

B.) the heatsink on your cpu became obstructed by debis to the point air could no longer flow.

The guys at the shop are most likely right a new cpu and mobo will fix it. That being said you can easily find a new board that will take ddr2 and your parts, as well a likely a quad core cpu both of them for under 300$. Esp. if you consider the offerings from AMD. That being said if you get a name brand board such as DFI, MSI, ASUS, or Gigabyte they all come with step by step instructions with picture of how to install everything. If there is something you don't get google it there will be many many many set of instructions. Since you said you had a 500$ budget I would recommend using the remaining money to get a quality power supply, such as a antec, thermaltake, Coolermaster, or a few others in the 600w range. You should also consider a better case many can be had for around 80$ with way better airflow then the HP. Make sure you buy a processor in a box (retail) cpu that way it will come with a heatsink fan that will be fine for your uses.

That being said the next time you have 250$ you could get a better video card such as the ATI 5700 series or the nvidia 460 series. at that point you would have at least twice the computer you had for only 750$ over time.

But in the end the moral of the story is this ANYTIME your cpu is about 60deg C for more then a few seconds, Stop, turn off your pc and check your cpu fan. It is quite possible a 5$ can of compressed air could have saved your computer had you done that in the very start.

Just my .02 I hope it clears things up for ya, sorry it fried but a clean computer will last almost forever.

Cytherea Cybele

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Admiting I haven't read the whole thread... Did you try running diagnostics?
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What model HP do you have? You can probably find a replacement mobo and cpu on Ebay fairly cheap. At the same time, you can find a lot of upgrades on Ebay fairly cheap. Just buy ONLY from those that offer a 3-7 day warranty (any faulty equipment can be caught easily in thay amount of time) and have excellent feedback. I just bought a 4850 for $53 on Sunday. I know its an older card, but it will certainly get my son by until he can buy his own stuff lol. As far as a PSU goes, as The One and Only and a few others stated, don't get a knock off, you will more than likely regret it.

Edit: You can also watch Craigslist in your area for deals. I'm not sure if you have micro centers in your area (I'm thinking you said Toronto?) but they have a good bundle deals on some entry level gaming cpu and mobo combos, but you have to pick them up in the store.....http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundlePROMO.html You will notice an AM2+ board in the bundle package with an athlonII X4, if I'm not mistaken, that board just may be able to use the RAM you already have.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 4:36pm by jhariya
#95 Sep 13 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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jhariya wrote:
What model HP do you have? You can probably find a replacement mobo and cpu on Ebay fairly cheap.


Translation - You could probably get ripped off again on EBay, this time, and set yourself up for another headache in the future
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It's meant for a bandaid, not an end all solution. And how do you know that you will get screwed on ebay? I'm using a MSI 790FX-GD70 I bought off there used and have not had a single issue what so ever.

The best solution would be to build/ buy a new pc but he said he was rather low on funds so I offered the best solution I could think of, even if its just a quick fix so he can play until he a) fries the ne new one or b) can offord to upgrade.
#97 Sep 13 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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jhariya wrote:
It's meant for a bandaid, not an end all solution. And how do you know that you will get screwed on ebay? I'm using a MSI 790FX-GD70 I bought off there used and have not had a single issue what so ever.

The best solution would be to build/ buy a new pc but he said he was rather low on funds so I offered the best solution I could think of, even if its just a quick fix so he can play until he a) fries the ne new one or b) can offord to upgrade.


Because the only reason anyone would be selling HP parts on Ebay would be:

1) They are ignorant and therefore cannot be trusted

or

2) They are fully aware that they are selling you garbage and are just out to offload the crap to you and get some return in the process.

Any other questions?

EDIT: And just for the record, your last ridiculously long sentence has a few minor practical flaws. You claim the best solution is to build/buy a new system. That is two solutions, therefore neither can be best in the way this is worded. I think what you meant to say is this "The best solution would be to build your own system, with purchasing a new one pre-built coming in at a close second.

The second part is the mentality of the last part of the sentence in saying he should dump even more money into something that is completely useless to him instead of putting that money towards something that is useful to him. This is the same mentality people use when thinking they will buy a house, fix it up, and save some money. If you want that, save yourself more money and build the whole thing. If you want to buy, buy a complete house.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 5:32pm by DragonBourne
#98 Sep 13 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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You're right. I shouldn't have offered any type of solution. Instead, I should have posted in his thread to pretend I'm all knowing and rate others down for offering opinions, which he asked for....my mistake.

Good luck with your pc OP. Hope you get it fixed in time for release.
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You're right. I shouldn't have offered any type of solution. Instead, I should have posted in his thread to pretend I'm all knowing and rate others down for offering opinions, which he asked for....my mistake.

Good luck with your pc OP. Hope you get it fixed in time for release.


Sure, you are entitled to give him your advice, but if it is not the right advice, be prepared to be challenged.

P.S. And just for the record to others reading this, his statement about me rating him down is truly false (figured I'd throw in an oxymoron for kicks). I've never rated anyone down unless they have begged for it.
#100 Sep 13 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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The OP hasn't been on this thread for 4 days. Let the thread die, until/if he/she posts.
#101 Sep 13 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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i stopped reading this thread after i realized my PC is dead and cannot be fixed without sinking a lot of money.

So basically I'm going to buy a new MOBO/CPU/PSU/Casing when I can afford it. Just means I'll miss the launch of FFXIV. But who cares really, the launch is going to be like every mmo where it's a headache for the first week or 2. I wont mind giving the game a month or so to get things fixed up. I've yet to play a mmo where the first month didnt still feel like beta. I'm sure FFXIV will be no different.

Either way, thank you all for your help. Much appreciated. I got my computer looked at by 3 different computer techs. Without spending any money on a thorough inspection to diagnose the problem, we came to the conclusion that something was wrong with the motherboard or CPU, in which case I'm better off salvaging what I can and getting a new computer all together. As you can tell, I was due for a new computer anyways.

I find it funny how people commented how crappy and outdated my PC was lol. The way I've always seen it....It's ran all the game's I've wanted it to with flying colors. Only now did I have a problem with it and it just happens to be a major problem. You really dont need the starship enterprise under your desk these days to run next gen games at respectable settings. I used that computer for a year and a half, almost 2 years without a problem, playing all games from CODMW2 to L4D2 to Aion to AoC etc. All on high settings with a decent frame rate. So what's crappy to one person, isnt really crappy to another. I really dont need a system that will run games at 60 frames per second. I'm happy when it's around 30, any more would just be luxury.

That being said I definitely plan to upgrade to something a bit better, not for performance sake since I was more than happy with what I had, but to avoid stressing my system too much like I did with my past computer.

When I do get a new computer I hope to see some of you in FFXIV. It's fdefinately my current short term goal. To get a PC that can handle the load of FFXIV without getting overly stressed. In the meantime it's back to xbox live for me. I even resubscribed to FFXI. But after a day or 2 of playing it i think i'm already going to unsub lol. Just way too slow and basically has nintendo 64 graphics. Really hard to adjust back to the style of FFXI. While I put up with the grind years ago and have 6 level 75 jobs, I just dont see myself putting up with it anymore after playing many modern mmo's. The killer for me in FFXI is the fact that you STILL cant make any gil without sinking 50+ hours a week into it.

Anyway, sorry for the wall'o'text, figured id update peeps that were helping me.

If any of you play xbox live my gamertag is "xMakavelli 420x". Hit me up.
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