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#52 Sep 10 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I suppose I invited this upon myself, and so I shall man up. I am sorry to have used a term that offended you, and I am also regretful that you did inferred that I do not like FFXIV from my post (though I would not say that inference is wrong.) I am more disappointed that you did not fully grasp how much I do like the game, but there's so much that I dislike I can't stand playing it.

At any rate, I used the term fanboy simply as a device to illustrate there are some among us who would be handed a steaming pile of sh*t by square, but because it had cloud's hair they would praise it as the greatest thing of all time. These same people find nothing wrong whatsoever in FFXIV, and by any reasonable metric of game evaluation, that is simply not true. I did not mean to imply that anyone who likes the game and wants to buy it is a fanboy. I merely wanted to use an extreme demographic as a venting point.


Well if we want to put people in separate camps for the purposes of discussion that's fine but there has to be more then two. I believe there are people that are disappointed in some of the things they see, but truly believe that it will mold into a fine game. All the parts are there it just needs to be assembled a little better. I am one of those people.

Of course, you also have your ridiculous fanboys but honestly I don't even see why they're worth talking about. They can't be bothered to see things from multiple perspectives so why even include them in discussion, as far as I'm concerned. I just get so irritated to think that I would fall into their category of abysmal ignorance just because I happen to find a glimmer of hope in this game.

But in the end I feel that all of us are a little disappointed with at least some aspect of the game, be it big or small. The question is to what extent, how long do we feel it's going to take to improve, and are we willing to wait that long? For all of us that answer will differ.
#53 Sep 10 2010 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
Cancelled my collector's edition pre order. I'll give the game a second look when it comes out for PS-3, since I think they can work out most of the issues in six months of paid beta.

Kudos to all of those who buy it at PC release though, as your sacrifice is my gain.
#54 Sep 10 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you get agitated or upset when someone says fanboy, you might be a fanboy.
#55 Sep 10 2010 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
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@runtheplacered (Suddenly I feel tired of quoting @_@!)

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I do believe there are more than two camps of thought. I believe I am one of the conscientious players who is actively debating getting the game (and leaning towards early adoption than later.) Though I do not know for sure. There are probably just enough fanboy extremists who will buy the game and keep it running for a few months, at least until PS3 release. I can't even imagine that the game would crash before the PS3 release (though that would be aaaaabsolutely, deliciously hilarious.) I didn't include those who had problems with the game but would still be early adopters consciously, but they were never out of my mind.
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#56 Sep 10 2010 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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If you get agitated or upset when someone says fanboy, you might be a fanboy.


I get agitated and upset when people write "Kar" or "Skool" even though I am neither.
#57 Sep 10 2010 at 7:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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How do you really feel about the game's future?
I think if it survives the first year it'll probably do fine.

Can you see yourself playing for a long time? or just until the next best thing?
I'd originally hoped to play the game for many years to come, just like I did with FFXI. Now, I'm not so sure.

Do you care about surplus anymore?
Yeah, it's still a horrible idea and a crime against people who're paying full retail plus a subscription fee for a game.

Are you disappointed or pleasantly surprised even?
Disappointed, I expected problems in beta, but I expected those problems to be resolved and for SE to pay attention to what the community had to say. Instead "foreign websites spread misinformation" and "westerners are very opinionated." Sigh, moving on...

Does it feel like FFXI2.0 or something totally new?
It's clearly completely new and aside from the game's races, is clearly not related to FFXI in the least (except that Miqo'te are apparently still a race of the Valkyries like their mithra counterparts). Honestly, I'd probably buy it if it were FFXI with updated graphics and new gameplay elements. It isn't.

Be honest and don't fear the red arrow.
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#58 Sep 10 2010 at 7:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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runtheplacered wrote:
MaFi0s0 wrote:
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you're wrong.. obviously.
lolwut



How do you really feel about the game's future?

It's a big unknown, which isn't good. I was expecting more than that out of SE. Time will tell.


Can you see yourself playing for a long time? or just until the next best thing?

I'm in the open beta right now, and have been in every close alpha/beta. I've only played probably 8 hours total the entire 5 months I've had access. That's how uninteresting/annoying the game is.


Do you care about surplus anymore?

Absolutely. Get rid of it.


Are you disappointed or pleasantly surprised even?

Disappointed, but only slightly. Having played FFXI for 5 years I knew to keep my standards very low, the sad part is that SE still couldn't hit that low of a mark for me. I like the tiny bits of the story I've seen so far, but I was expecting a great story. Unfortunately that isn't going to cut it for me, since I'll spend a vast majority of the time doing non-storyline stuff.


Does it feel like FFXI2.0 or something totally new?

It feels like they tried to get away from FFXI gameplay and merge with more modern western MMOs. The concept of having a hotbar and spamming skills constantly is a pretty big departure from FFXI to more mainstream games, and so far, I find it as boring as Aion, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, etc.


Be honest and don't fear the red arrow.

Oh, you.



Edited, Sep 10th 2010 9:11pm by bsphil
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#59runtheplacered, Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 8:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
#60 Sep 10 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
lolwut


Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
Did you read what you wrote? Or what he wrote?

He said what he felt about the game, and you told him that it was obviously wrong.
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#61 Sep 10 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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This is hands down the only thing stopping me from playing hours on end: You have to constantly put up your weapon and bring it out. FUH KING ANNOYING. Not only the lag that it takes just to get your dang weapon out is annoying as well. On top of that it's a constant moving party. There is not such thing as shoot and pull to camp anymore. Mobs follow you for 40 feet then give up. So a constant moving and pulling out your weapon. I liked it better on XI that you could nuke without your weapon being out. Also you simply hit "attack" and presto. Seems I might just level all the crafting jobs because grinding (which I simply love in MMOs) is pretty much too much work. Now I'll get all the douche bags saying "then go play WoW if you want easy". I want more gamer friendly. Not let's give carpal tunnel to you in the first week.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 9:18pm by Slapaho
#62 Sep 10 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
lolwut


Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
Did you read what you wrote? Or what he wrote?

He said what he felt about the game, and you told him that it was obviously wrong.


No, that's not what I said. I said saying that FF XIV is just a reskinned FF XI is definitely wrong. "reskinned" has a definition and what was done to FF XIV does not fit that definition. Hence that particular comment was wrong.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough? (not being a smart ***. two separate people completely took me wrong, apparently)
#63 Sep 10 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
lolwut


Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
Did you read what you wrote? Or what he wrote?

He said what he felt about the game, and you told him that it was obviously wrong.


No, that's not what I said. I said saying that FF XIV is just a reskinned FF XI is definitely wrong. "reskinned" has a definition and what was done to FF XIV does not fit that definition. Hence that particular comment was wrong.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough? (not being a smart ***. two separate people completely took me wrong, apparently)
I don't think it's a reskin of FFXI either. But that doesn't mean that people can still feel like it is.
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#64 Sep 10 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
lolwut


Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
Did you read what you wrote? Or what he wrote?

He said what he felt about the game, and you told him that it was obviously wrong.


No, that's not what I said. I said saying that FF XIV is just a reskinned FF XI is definitely wrong. "reskinned" has a definition and what was done to FF XIV does not fit that definition. Hence that particular comment was wrong.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough? (not being a smart ***. two separate people completely took me wrong, apparently)
I don't think it's a reskin of FFXI either. But that doesn't mean that people can still feel like it is.


EDIT:

I deleted what I wrote. I suppose he used the word "feel" and not "is". But jesus talk about semantics. I guess it'd be OK if I said this game FEELS like a michael bay film. It wouldn't make any sense.. but ok, sure. Feel away.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:21pm by runtheplacered
#65 Sep 10 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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They can feel whatever they want. That doesn't mean they get to make up facts. Saying FF XIV is a reskinned FF XI is not an accurate statement. I don't understand why this is such a startling fact.


Doesn't "I feel" automatically make it an opinion, and therefore NOT a fact? How's he making up facts if he's not phrasing his statement as a fact?

EDIT because you EDIT'd: You were the one who argued the definition of something, don't blame us if you don't know the definition of something else.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 9:23pm by Callinon
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#66 Sep 10 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
lolwut


Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
Did you read what you wrote? Or what he wrote?

He said what he felt about the game, and you told him that it was obviously wrong.


No, that's not what I said. I said saying that FF XIV is just a reskinned FF XI is definitely wrong. "reskinned" has a definition and what was done to FF XIV does not fit that definition. Hence that particular comment was wrong.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough? (not being a smart ***. two separate people completely took me wrong, apparently)
I don't think it's a reskin of FFXI either. But that doesn't mean that people can still feel like it is.


EDIT:

I deleted what I wrote. I suppose he used the word "feel" and not "is". But jesus talk about semantics. I guess it'd be OK if I said this game FEELS like a michael bay film. It wouldn't make any sense.. but ok, sure. Feel away.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 10:21pm by runtheplacered
I didn't make that big of a deal about it, you just wanted to follow up so in turn I explained it.
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#67 Sep 10 2010 at 10:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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How do you really feel about the game's future?


Not a clue, to be honest. And that's because of SE's propensity for being so tight-lipped and alienating their customers. Apparently they've learned absolutely nothing about customer service during all those years of managing FFXI. I want FFXIV to succeed because I played FFXI for five years and loved it, but if the management of the beta is any clue as to how the retail release will be handled (and given SE's track record it doesn't present room for much hope) I might have to rethink my choice to play live, at least for a few months.

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Can you see yourself playing for a long time? or just until the next best thing?


Only if SE can prove to me they aren't going to use the same knee-jerk style of management I spent five years of FFXI dealing with. I'm not the kind of person that jumps at every new opportunity unless I think it'll be fun (and I really feel like FFXIV has the kind of potential to capture me the way FFXI did). If FFXIV flops for me I'll just stick to WoW since Cataclysm is around the corner.

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Do you care about surplus anymore?


I think it's a poor business move to tell me how I have to play a game that I'm actively paying for on a monthly basis. It's borderline biting the hand the feeds them. Having a lot of options should be just that: a lot of options. It's no longer an option or a matter of choice when you introduce something like surplus and say I have to play in a certain manner to avoid it.

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Are you disappointed or pleasantly surprised even?


I'm actually pretty disappointed, but my expectations weren't all that high since it's SE we're talking about. I would have hoped SE learned a thing or two from FFXI, but I guess that was too much to ask. Quite frankly I feel a little mislead. Remember when they made a big deal about Guildleves and how they were supposed to play a huge role? Now you're roped in to doing no more than 8 within a 48 hour period. Or how they stressed the ability to travel around using aetheryte crystals, but the actual system is surprisingly limited (though come retail release we're sure to see other modes of travel or they might tweak the teleportation service, but still). The game looks amazing at any rate.

Maybe if SE actually opened up a little and told us what they had coming down the pipeline I would have a much brighter outlook instead of covering my head and hoping I don't get hit with a massive ****...

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Does it feel like FFXI2.0 or something totally new?


I like how they borrowed aspects of FFXI to make the game feel familiar, but I hate how they also completely ignored or changed (for the worse) things in FFXI that worked just fine. Like a **** working interface that didn't require 5-10 menus to perform simple tasks and a friggin' auction house.

It isn't similar enough to FFXI for me to call it v2.0, but with the way it seems to be shaping up I kind of wish it was. It's one thing to strive to be different from the predecessor, but what does being different help if it turns out to be a step backwards?

Summary: I want to love FFXIV and I'll probably play it sooner or later, but SE's ongoing inability to actually communicate with their player base is a serious turnoff for me. Whether or not I'll be there on opening day will depend on how things look when the 22nd comes around.

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#68 Sep 11 2010 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
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Feels like a reskinned FFXI


First of all, you're wrong.. obviously. The two games are completely different. But I also absolutely hate this statement. Do you understand what "reskinning" something means? It's a completely different engine so how could a "reskin" possibly matter in anyway shape or form?

I've not seen anyone else say that about FF XIV before (thank god, it wouldn't make a lick of sense) but have seen it said about other video games and I always thought it was such a lame thing to say.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 12:01pm by runtheplacered


Wow you're uninformed. You do realize that's it's been proven, with FFXIV model viewers, that any model that looks like one from FFXI *is*, in fact, using the exact same wireframe? The only thing different is an HD skin wrapped around it and some animation changes.

So yes, considering you'll eventually get more monsters from FFXI into FFXIV (for lack of creativity), it truly is FFXI: Reskinned.
#69 Sep 11 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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runtheplacered wrote:
bsphil wrote:
runtheplacered wrote:
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lolwut


Care to back that up with something that isn't a lame internet meme?
Did you read what you wrote? Or what he wrote?

He said what he felt about the game, and you told him that it was obviously wrong.


No, that's not what I said. I said saying that FF XIV is just a reskinned FF XI is definitely wrong. "reskinned" has a definition and what was done to FF XIV does not fit that definition. Hence that particular comment was wrong.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough? (not being a smart ***. two separate people completely took me wrong, apparently)


"Metaphor" has a definition too.
#70 Sep 11 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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As it stands I see myself playing only for an hour or two during the week and maybe a long day on the weekend every now and then. Even with the way the Beta plays that would be sufficient. My wife isn't a fan of gaming in general, so it would help if I was hooked but not commited to an MMO :p
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