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#1 Sep 10 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Guys (and girls)

Just wanted to take the opportunity to say goodbye to the vast majority of you. We are fast approaching retail release and the reality that in less than 2 weeks time you will have to shell out plenty of dollars to buy retail release, and then a monthly fee thereafter.

As most beta players think the game is so terrible, I assume they would not be so stupid as to spend their hard earned cash playing the game. I certainly would not spend my money doing something I hate. If they do spend the cash - we should assume that they actually like the game.

One thing I am really looking forward to is for the people like me who really enjoy the game to have a chance to play with like minded individuals who also enjoy - and also to post on forums like this with others that feel the same.

So "hello" to retail release players, and goodbye to the rest. Its been fun.

(yay - my first ever troll post)
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#2 Sep 10 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Default
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I don't play the open beta simply because I know my progress will be deleted.
I can't wait for the 22nd.
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#3 Sep 10 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, we will probably see a change of pace around here at release, and I honestly havent been playing beta a lot. Ive just played enough to get a feel for the classes to find out what i want to focus on, and get the basics down. i want experience the feel of the new world with my actual character :)
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#4 Sep 10 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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im not sure what to think of the game yet, beta has a lot of locked things, but SE isnt known for having thier expansions for 11 done when they are released, <how long have we been waiting for WoTG to finish?> i think XIV will be following suit, while that does mean a steady stream or new content, it also might mean an incomplete experience at launch.

I may wait 6 months for the game to come into its own, and cancel my pre order
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#5 Sep 10 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Your post was thought provoking and a well deserved topic on the thread list.

Kudos to you, ma'am.
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#6 Sep 10 2010 at 5:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think that it'll be that drastic of a loss of players after beta. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that about 1/2 of the beta players will still be playing once the release hits in less than 2 weeks.
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#8 Sep 10 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!


It's not a troll post if you mention that you intended it to be so.

Having said that I was tempted halfway through the second sentance to default this, luckily I read the whole thing like a responsible karma voting person and you get a rate up instead :)
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#9 Sep 10 2010 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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I keep telling myself, the game is not ready, so many things that bug me. I want to stop playing and cancel my pre-order.

Why do I keep logging back in to go fish and kill squirrels then? /crack

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#10 Sep 10 2010 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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People hanging out on Zam probably aren't the ones who hate the game. But even I'm thinking about waiting a few months for at least the most ridiculous flaws to be ironed out.
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Beta =/= Demo

You can add that to your sigs.
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#12 Sep 10 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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People hanging out on Zam probably aren't the ones who hate the game. But even I'm thinking about waiting a few months for at least the most ridiculous flaws to be ironed out.


This ^^

I did not pre order yet, but probably going to buy it nevertheless. Seeing how well the release is going and hoping my prediction about content is false. If I am disappointed, I will shelf the game for a few months and see how it will evolve before I will subscribe.
#13 Sep 10 2010 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
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dyvidd wrote:
Beta =/= Demo

You can add that to your sigs.


Exactly right. I think this is where most people go wrong. They expect a beta to be nearly flawless, and an open beta to be without lag or connection issues.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 7:30pm by sima2
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#14 Sep 10 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I for one cannot wait. Although beta has helped with that wait considerably. Also doing genkai 7 in ffxi and learning my new blu spells helps also. I just want to play the game without all the **** latency. Im confident that part will atleast be ironed out. Get tired of mobs standing there along with me yet when the game picks up ive been hit 6 times and then i get to watch my kitty lay down. Although since we dont lose xp and weakened wears faster than in ffxi i dont mind dying at all. Just want to die in real time not seeing it happen without a chance to fight back.
#15 Sep 10 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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lambon wrote:
I don't play the open beta simply because I know my progress will be deleted.
I can't wait for the 22nd.


I was giving her in beta for the first week and then i eased off cuz of the same reason - can't wait 'til retail this game should be great.
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GuardianFaith wrote:
You're an idiot.


And you sir, are very articulate!
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#17 Sep 11 2010 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
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HallieXIV wrote:
GuardianFaith wrote:
You're an idiot.


And you sir, are very articulate!


Its called brevity - and its better then this kinds of sanctimonious posts regardless of which side of the coin (love/hate the game) you're on.
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#18 Sep 11 2010 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
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at least the remaining 10% of me will still enjoy the game !!
#19 Sep 11 2010 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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sima2 wrote:

dyvidd wrote:

Beta =/= Demo

You can add that to your sigs.


Exactly right. I think this is where most people go wrong. They expect a beta to be nearly flawless, and an open beta to be without lag or connection issues.


If you read the threads where people are complaining, this goes far beyond just UI lag an a couple disconnections. There are some VERY broken things in the game right now, and they don't have a whole lot of time to fix them. I mean, real game-breaking things that I know the media will get hold of and rake them over the coals for (since, magazines and other places don't have to kiss SE's ***).

SE isn't listening to us, so we vent the frustration here in hopes that SOMEONE will let them know about at least the MAJOR issues the players have. We are 8 days off from the end of the open beta. That's just a little over one week. They then have what, maybe two days to put their final touches, and then start shipping? The game is guaranteed to be at my door on the 22nd - according to my preorder agreement.

What does that mean to me? This game is going to ship with a ton of issues that have caused me to not even really want to play the open beta. It makes me think that the media is already made with whatever they had decided a week ago, and upon install there will be another 5+ GB patch to download over the course of the next two weeks because my ISP just throttled my torrents.

I don't think that a lot of people are going to bail either, but to make a thread like this telling us that we have no reason to be concerned and should STFU..... Well I respectfully disagree. I want nothing more than to say goodbye to FFXI and focus my efforts on a strange new world - but as it is right now, FFXI is the better game and I just think they should have kept more elements of it. We wouldn't be here now if they hadn't spent the bulk of their time trying to reinvent the wheel.
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You're an idiot.
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If you read the threads where people are complaining, this goes far beyond just UI lag an a couple disconnections. There are some VERY broken things in the game right now, and they don't have a whole lot of time to fix them. I mean, real game-breaking things that I know the media will get hold of and rake them over the coals for (since, magazines and other places don't have to kiss SE's ***).

SE isn't listening to us, so we vent the frustration here in hopes that SOMEONE will let them know about at least the MAJOR issues the players have. We are 8 days off from the end of the open beta. That's just a little over one week. They then have what, maybe two days to put their final touches, and then start shipping? The game is guaranteed to be at my door on the 22nd - according to my preorder agreement.

What does that mean to me? This game is going to ship with a ton of issues that have caused me to not even really want to play the open beta. It makes me think that the media is already made with whatever they had decided a week ago, and upon install there will be another 5+ GB patch to download over the course of the next two weeks because my ISP just throttled my torrents.

I don't think that a lot of people are going to bail either, but to make a thread like this telling us that we have no reason to be concerned and should STFU..... Well I respectfully disagree. I want nothing more than to say goodbye to FFXI and focus my efforts on a strange new world - but as it is right now, FFXI is the better game and I just think they should have kept more elements of it. We wouldn't be here now if they hadn't spent the bulk of their time trying to reinvent the wheel.



What makes you think SE is not listening to us? Provide some insight on that.

A.) Daily patches that make the game run smoother
B.) Patch that took away the dreaded (action cannot be preformed) During battle
C.) UI lag improved 50%
D.) Fishing Easier
and E.) The most important of all

12 WHOLE DAYS until release

Daily patches, 12 days, help me do the math, how many patches to improve the game before release

(and remember folks, no mmo was perfect out the gate, and dont use that ffxi bullsh*t, i'll say this once, that game had a year of patches with a expansion when it hit the US)

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 9:46am by kyomagi
#23 Sep 11 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Default
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Apple and Square Enix have one thing in common. Every time they release a new product, I drool over it and want to buy it. Doesn't matter what everyone may say is wrong with it, I want it. Although in Apple's case I just don't have the money for it.

5 more months until I'm upgrade-eligible for the iPhone 4 :D
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#24 Sep 11 2010 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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A lot of the posts on this board remind of Vanguard.

This thread at mmorpg.com pretty much sums up that game now:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/285618/The-End.html

one post in particular;
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The last remaining VG playerbase consist of people who never can see anything wrong with the game. They are the die-hards, the most loyal of loyal playerbase left. So when you ask the question if Vanguard will get shutdown anytime soon, of course you'll get answers like "oh it'll be around for a looong time".



Let's just look at the facts:

-The game started out in a mess, Sigil quickly went bankrupt and got bought by SOE. 200k players bought the game.

-6 months after launch the VG team got cut down by 50%. No problem, there's still hope.

-Roughly 8 months into launch, game receives its first server merges. No problem, there's still hope.

-12 months after launch, VG team got cut again, by an unknown amount of people. No problem, there's still hope.

-1 year and half into launch, the game finally receives raid UI and visible player helmets, everyone rejoice.

-Some time ago, VG playerbase says "the population is on the rise! vanguard is reborn!".

-Some time ago, Sartok, the last remaining Vanguard PvP server, had roughly 50-60 players on during prime time hours. But the Sartok players still said, no, the server is fine, the game is fine, don't touch Sartok.

-Some time ago, VG playerbase says "the population is on the rise! everything is fixed, join the game!"



Fast forward to recent months...

-All servers got merged into 1, no more PvP server. Soon the euro server will get merged as well, which would create huge lag issues to all foreign players.

-The remaining handful of devs just got cut by at least 2 staff members, 1 was raijinn well known on the VG forums, the other unknown.

-SOE publically announced it has pulled Vanguard from all discussion panels at the SOE Fan Faire. Vanguard will not be mentioned, not showcased, not discussed, and the person that was going to run VG live quest (raijinn) is gone. Remember this is SOE Fan Faire, not E3 or anything that costs SOE extra money to buy a booth.

-Right now post-server merge, the lag issues are creating huge troubles for the playerbase. The dev team has been unable to fix the lag problems. (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=54080) (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=54003)

-Other issues plague the game since merge, such as the guild trophies issue (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=54089)

-So far, the devs have been quiet, with no news, nothing about what's upcoming, nothing about how they will fix the issues from the server merge, etc..



So, you be the judge, is Vanguard on its last leg? Personally, I think so. Now just to show you I'm not biased, I'm going to suggest you to play the game if you find it fun & interesting. I mean why not, the average longevity of a MMO these days is just a few months for players anyway before they move on to something else. But if you do subscribe, you at least do so knowing the facts about the game. No it's not in a good shape, no you won't expect much content releases let alone fixes to existing issues. No the population isn't on the rise and there really isn't anything worth mentioning about what's coming next. Anybody that tells you otherwise are just day dreaming. Nobody knows when VG will get shutdown. Before Matrix Online was shutdown, I would've probably said SOE wouldn't do it. But since MxO did get shutdown, I do fear VG will have the same fate sooner or later.



Hope that helps, have fun


almost 3 years later and Vanguard is a shell of a game.

I remember Vanguard beta, I remember how bad the Die hard loyalists were, they attacked
any one that had any type of critism of the game. Phrases like "Go back to Wow"
were tossed out so much around fourms (dose that sound familar here?) The player base was just as bad at driving people off as the bugs and high end system specs were.

I tried out Vanguard again 2 months ago, nothing in it changed, Some bugs got squashed,
a few ui tweaks, but it's a dead game. It's down to one server now with no full time devloper working on it.

So is that what you want Hallie? A game that will suffer a slow lingering death?
But hey at least people like you will still be playing right?

There's a saying: "those who do not study history tend to repeat it"
I don't want to see this game fail, but the player base can be just as harmful at driving people away. Trust me losing 90% (as you put it) of the player base is a disaster,
Vanguard lost over 90% of it's and look at the state of that game.



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I can't wait for the retail release, pre-ordered my copy as soon as I started playing the beta.. And I ALWAYS want to carry on playing the beta i'd be more than happy to play it every day until the 19th.. Until i remember.. It IS just a beta! Makes me sad.
#26 Sep 11 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Some one's got to buy this POS in order to keep development running. If S-E throws a paid beta test for the next six months to a year, and no one pays, then it will still be in the early beta state it's in now. I can think of no one more qualified to pay for the continued development of this game into a retail worthy version than fanboys like Hallie.

For those about to drool, we salute you!

/salute
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I did place a pre-order on the limited edition with 8-days early access. This I really look forward to. 100% of Beta Testers & Normal game buyers will not be on for 8-days of (hopefully) Lag/Spam freedom. I hope no one got the pre-order to scream Cheap Gil @ www.whogivesacrap.... 100x in a row

Though I have thought many times about canceling my pre-order or downgrading to the normal version... I keep telling myself the retail version will be worth it.

Anyone NOT playing the Beta may be VERY VERY VERY upset when they buy the game.... this is nothing like 11 so far (the gameplay)...
Also the JOB names really **** me off and the other things Square Enix have done to slowly destroy Final Fantasy since FFX
You can not be a cook AND be a mage ... Only certain classes can do certain things..

Playing the Beta I found that the "Time-limits" on the game do not really affect me, because I want to Fish and be a Leatherworker, the game gives you time to focus on that part without feeling you are falling behind on leveling.

I highly suggest playing the beta and trying all/any classes you are interested in, to see what you want to be when you get the retail game.
I started as a Thaumaturge (better for partys) thinking it was a black mage... but after a few hours playing/leveling I found out u NEVER get Fire,Stone,Blizzard or any basic Damage Dealing magic, only Buffs and support magic.
The Conjurer (better for solo mage action) is a Black/White mage mix, with Cure and the Magic u know and love.

Of course you can probably read all about the classes somewhere, but I still found it best to actually play them.

Again if you had any hopes of this being like 11 or like any MMO you have played... play the beta before buying
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#28 Sep 11 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
Fanboys are going to keep saying the game is great. The game is great--on your eyes, other than that, the game has issues. I've been playing since open beta went live. I've played Lineage 2, Final Fantasy 11, World of Warcraft, and Age of conan--In this games i keybind, etc. However, after arriving in final fantasy 14 i was disheartened that the mouse and keyboard was so clunky. Being the openminded individual i am, i went out and bought a logitech gamepad--looks like a ps3 controller but seemed to be more compatible, and it works great! Its obvious this game was designed to be used with a gamepad--however, that still is a drawback for pc users like myself. But problem fixed, kinda sorta (except having to put gamepad down to type, etc.)

But what about the other myriad of issues? Lets just start with general gameplay--Its very slow, and its not lag! Its just the pace of the game. Sitting down, going from active to passive mode, attacking targets, trying to unlock from your target and run away if you need too, are all super slow and rugged. It's very frustrating. But, i can even stomach that for the beautiful vistas and the great character models and the hope that, i will, eventualy, get used to it. What i can't stomach is changing class to a miner or fisher and then switching back to a pugilist resets all my bars, and i have to go through all my skills and replace them again, and again, and again... that is a very simple fix, and if Square refuses to fix even that, when are they going to fix the major issues? Like Memory Leaks and whatever else pops up.

I am really on the fence on whether or not to preorder it. I'd like to get an early start and build a character, get the name I want, etc. However, will i like this game? I'm tired of World of warcraft, i'm certainly not a fanboy of anything, what i want is a fun game that i can relax on after work. I'm sure this game could be fun, if the frustrations dont completely overwhelm it. I sympathize with the fanboys of this game that just want it to succeed, but...
#30 Sep 11 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Default
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KarlHungis Delivers on Time wrote:
Some one's got to buy this POS in order to keep development running. If S-E throws a paid beta test for the next six months to a year, and no one pays, then it will still be in the early beta state it's in now. I can think of no one more qualified to pay for the continued development of this game into a retail worthy version than fanboys like Hallie.

For those about to drool, we salute you!

/salute


Do you think you're clever? That's the second time you've said that. It's really not as clever as you think.

And for gods sake can anyone find some other way to express themselves other then dismissing everyone that doesn't agree with them as "fanboys". What a stupid, lazy retort.
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gennji wrote:
I did place a pre-order on the limited edition with 8-days early access. This I really look forward to. 100% of Beta Testers & Normal game buyers will not be on for 8-days of (hopefully) Lag/Spam freedom. I hope no one got the pre-order to scream Cheap Gil @ www.whogivesacrap.... 100x in a row

Though I have thought many times about canceling my pre-order or downgrading to the normal version... I keep telling myself the retail version will be worth it.

Anyone NOT playing the Beta may be VERY VERY VERY upset when they buy the game.... this is nothing like 11 so far (the gameplay)...
Also the JOB names really **** me off and the other things Square Enix have done to slowly destroy Final Fantasy since FFX
You can not be a cook AND be a mage ... Only certain classes can do certain things..

Playing the Beta I found that the "Time-limits" on the game do not really affect me, because I want to Fish and be a Leatherworker, the game gives you time to focus on that part without feeling you are falling behind on leveling.

I highly suggest playing the beta and trying all/any classes you are interested in, to see what you want to be when you get the retail game.
I started as a Thaumaturge (better for partys) thinking it was a black mage... but after a few hours playing/leveling I found out u NEVER get Fire,Stone,Blizzard or any basic Damage Dealing magic, only Buffs and support magic.
The Conjurer (better for solo mage action) is a Black/White mage mix, with Cure and the Magic u know and love.

Of course you can probably read all about the classes somewhere, but I still found it best to actually play them.

Again if you had any hopes of this being like 11 or like any MMO you have played... play the beta before buying


Can't be serious, can you? Your biggest complaint is that not all classes can do everything? Do you not realize you can be ANY class in this game at ANY time you want? You're mad because a Thaumaturge doesn't get Fire? That's like being mad that a Warrior (of whatever type) doesn't get Cure. Except in this game.. a Warrior could potentially get Cure.


Edited, Sep 11th 2010 12:03pm by runtheplacered
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What i can't stomach is changing class to a miner or fisher and then switching back to a pugilist resets all my bars, and i have to go through all my skills and replace them again, and again, and again... that is a very simple fix, and if Square refuses to fix even that, when are they going to fix the major issues? Like Memory Leaks and whatever else pops up.


You can work around this in the following way:

- Go to the main menu -> configuration -> macros
- Select a macro slot (I suggest the upper left slot)
- Enter a macro name (like name of the class) in the middle entry field
- In the open space at the bottom, add the following:
/equip "Main Hand" "Maple Wand"
/eaction 2 "Radiance"
/eaction 3 "Fire"
/eaction 5 "Cure"
The general form for these is, first line:
/equip "Main Hand" "<weapon name>"
if you have a +1 weapon, leave off the +1 (at least I had to)
/eaction <slot number> "<ability name>"

Now exit out of the macro setting dialog all the way back to normal game. Now to change classes by using your macro, hit Ctrl-1 on your keyboard (assumes you put in upper left slot). It takes about 1 second per ability for it to load up your action bar, but it is easy as you just wait for it to get done.

Back on topic, I'm one of those people that thought the game was terrible, but now I'm actually thinking of pre-ordering the standard edition. The game still has a lot of terrible things in it, but I'm having fun and enjoying the combat system and crafting system.

Things I like:
- Combat system seems pretty decent to me
- Crafting system is really nice imo
- Graphics are awesome of course

Things that still stink:
- UI is convoluted with way too many dialogs and confirmations. Many of these could be easily combined together.
- UI is really slow to react
- UI is even slower to react when doing certain things like crafting
- UI controls are awkward with anything but gamepad. With gamepad it is annoying to type.
- Anima recharge rate means long boring walks are necessary sometimes
- Gathering system is boring imo
- SE doesn't really listen to their customers imo (largely based off FFXI experience)
- targeting is terrible which is especially painful in parties
- stronger reasons to party up would be nice
- gear decays too quickly
- market ward system is terrible

Still, I'm leaning towards preordering because I'm having fun, it is cheap, I think they can fix or improve much of this reasonably easily, and if they don't fix it I can quit then. I'm also expecting retail to add the quests that I'm confident they have been working on which should provide a lot more content. I was expecting the guildleves to be a major part of this game, but it seems to me like they are more like something to do when you aren't going to be on long.
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I've still got my pre-order (standard edition), but whether or not I pick it up will be based on the impressions of the players who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition.

They'll be my mining canaries ;)

Everyone is talking about content that SE has held back from beta, rumoured to be world quests, etc. That content will surely be in the game for the CE launch if it is indeed being held back right now. With the standard release not until the 30th, that gives me a good week of reading the CE player impressions to decide what I'm going to do.

I really hope that SE has an ace up their sleeve. I like what they're making here, but unless there's more behind the curtain I'm afraid I'll be sitting this one out.
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theweenie wrote:

Everyone is talking about content that SE has held back from beta, rumoured to be world quests, etc. That content will surely be in the game for the CE launch if it is indeed being held back right now. With the standard release not until the 30th, that gives me a good week of reading the CE player impressions to decide what I'm going to do.

I really hope that SE has an ace up their sleeve. I like what they're making here, but unless there's more behind the curtain I'm afraid I'll be sitting this one out.


Hard to imagine the retail would be exactly like this open beta with a lot of the areas pretty much dead and 95% of the npcs being completely worthless. If it is the same or only a tad bit better on release day, you'll quickly hear all about it though.
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runtheplacered :

There is lots wrong with this game, the fact there is no "Warrior" is part of it.
Yes, it is upsetting to think that a Mage can not cook... or any class that can't do a certain job.
You are saying that I can change from a Thaumaturge to Conjurer or Conjurer to Marauder at ANY time in the game, whenever I want?

A Warrior than can get cure should be called a Paladin, not whatever name this game has chosen. The title "Final Fantasy" means you SHOULD always be getting the same few things over and over... a Black Mage that can cast Fire, is one them.
Calling it something else, when there is NO Reason at all to change is one of the most damaging things Square Enix has done to the franchise. FF13 was the best example of this, worst attempt at a "Final Fantasy" game yet. Pretty Graphics do not make it a Final Fantasy game...

Bottom line, play this beta is you are expecting anything....

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 12:52pm by gennji
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#36 Sep 11 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
Surprisingly enough, my whole LS has pre-ordered the game, and not one of them is playing Beta, and quite a few other friends, same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more people on launch then on beta.
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I decided not to buy it. I was pretty much forcing myself to want to play it. Even though I'd made up my mind, I kept playing the beta to try and find more things I liked about it, but then I realsied that it was just a stupid thing to do. I think they had some great ideas that could have been really fun, but it just seems as though they got all the basics wrong. It was just frustrating to play. I still find myself checking the forums and reading about it because I was really looking forward to it, but I've cancelled my preorder for now. I might check in a few months to see what's going on, but for now I don't want to play.
#38 Sep 11 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Surprisingly enough, my whole LS has pre-ordered the game, and not one of them is playing Beta, and quite a few other friends, same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more people on launch then on beta.


Besides the extreme changes in gameplay/jobs/leveling ... beta might be a good idea. I see your FFXI JobLevel Tags, as someone who played 100s of hours on FFXI to another.. this game is a big change. Also running the beta on even a decent computer still has lag issues, your LS might want too see if they need to update anything on their system for better performance.

The game overall is really fun to play and set up very nice for Solo players too.
The music is wonderful, completing missions plays the original "battle-winning" song which is a big plus and missing from 11
The overall gameplay/chat/menus is similar enough to 11 to not be to confusing. The Bazzar system is good, new but not confusing. I see an Auction House in the beta, but it can not be accessed. Same with Chocobo ranch, I can't wait to see what they do with that.
I have been betaing mostly Mage jobs... all the spells appear to be Area of Affect only so far, kinda annoying if ya want to cast fire on the enemy you are fighting without pulling near-bys on accident..
There is a 30min time limit on all the quests I have got so far, this can be very annoying if you are soloing and die one or more times, then have to wait 3mins each time to get back to full health, there are random enemies still on the map so you can level up before questing again.
The time limits have yet to affect my playing, 30mins seems to be more than enough time for now...

I hope things are not still in "BETA" when the CE comes out... Betaing this game is good idea, it is OPEN and FREE (Worldwide now, I think)
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#39 Sep 11 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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There is lots wrong with this game, the fact there is no "Warrior" is part of it.
Yes, it is upsetting to think that a Mage can not cook... or any class that can't do a certain job.
You are saying that I can change from a Thaumaturge to Conjurer or Conjurer to Marauder at ANY time in the game, whenever I want?

A Warrior than can get cure should be called a Paladin, not whatever name this game has chosen. The title "Final Fantasy" means you SHOULD always be getting the same few things over and over... a Black Mage that can cast Fire, is one them.
Calling it something else, when there is NO Reason at all to change is one of the most damaging things Square Enix has done to the franchise. FF13 was the best example of this, worst attempt at a "Final Fantasy" game yet. Pretty Graphics do not make it a Final Fantasy game...

Bottom line, play this beta is you are expecting anything....


"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"

I think they should NOT have changed the original class names.
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I think they should NOT have changed the original class names.

I agree. Some of the names don't even seem fitting, because obviously they needed to make sure they changed all of them. Seems like a cheap attempt at making it look like new and fresh content.
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I mainly tried out the open beta to see how well my PC would handle the game and i'm very content with its performance so bring on the 22nd ^-^
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We all have to guess (look-up) what exactly a Lancer does... Dragoon one to many letters?

Pugilist .... come on!! SE knows everyone wants a Thief with daggers and not monk fighting...

I do like the already Black/White mage (Conjurer) combo class
Maybe this will be the saving grace of these classes, having the best support job already mixed in...

But the names.... why....?

Still it did not stop me from buying FF13... hope to see some changes in XIV before the 22nd...

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I have been betaing mostly Mage jobs... all the spells appear to be Area of Affect only so far, kinda annoying if ya want to cast fire on the enemy you are fighting without pulling near-bys on accident..

You can toggle between aoe and single target modes, either click on the green AOE indicator when casting, or just use /aoe
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gennji wrote:
I have been betaing mostly Mage jobs... all the spells appear to be Area of Affect only so far, kinda annoying if ya want to cast fire on the enemy you are fighting without pulling near-bys on accident..

You can toggle between aoe and single target modes, either click on the green AOE indicator when casting, or just use /aoe


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Azimov wrote:
gennji wrote:
I have been betaing mostly Mage jobs... all the spells appear to be Area of Affect only so far, kinda annoying if ya want to cast fire on the enemy you are fighting without pulling near-bys on accident..

You can toggle between aoe and single target modes, either click on the green AOE indicator when casting, or just use /aoe

or if using a keyboard, press Z
#46 Sep 11 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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A lot of the posts on this board remind of Vanguard.

This thread at mmorpg.com pretty much sums up that game now:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/285618/The-End.html

one post in particular;
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The last remaining VG playerbase consist of people who never can see anything wrong with the game. They are the die-hards, the most loyal of loyal playerbase left. So when you ask the question if Vanguard will get shutdown anytime soon, of course you'll get answers like "oh it'll be around for a looong time".



Let's just look at the facts:

-The game started out in a mess, Sigil quickly went bankrupt and got bought by SOE. 200k players bought the game.

-6 months after launch the VG team got cut down by 50%. No problem, there's still hope.

-Roughly 8 months into launch, game receives its first server merges. No problem, there's still hope.

-12 months after launch, VG team got cut again, by an unknown amount of people. No problem, there's still hope.

-1 year and half into launch, the game finally receives raid UI and visible player helmets, everyone rejoice.

-Some time ago, VG playerbase says "the population is on the rise! vanguard is reborn!".

-Some time ago, Sartok, the last remaining Vanguard PvP server, had roughly 50-60 players on during prime time hours. But the Sartok players still said, no, the server is fine, the game is fine, don't touch Sartok.

-Some time ago, VG playerbase says "the population is on the rise! everything is fixed, join the game!"



Fast forward to recent months...

-All servers got merged into 1, no more PvP server. Soon the euro server will get merged as well, which would create huge lag issues to all foreign players.

-The remaining handful of devs just got cut by at least 2 staff members, 1 was raijinn well known on the VG forums, the other unknown.

-SOE publically announced it has pulled Vanguard from all discussion panels at the SOE Fan Faire. Vanguard will not be mentioned, not showcased, not discussed, and the person that was going to run VG live quest (raijinn) is gone. Remember this is SOE Fan Faire, not E3 or anything that costs SOE extra money to buy a booth.

-Right now post-server merge, the lag issues are creating huge troubles for the playerbase. The dev team has been unable to fix the lag problems. (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=54080) (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=54003)

-Other issues plague the game since merge, such as the guild trophies issue (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=54089)

-So far, the devs have been quiet, with no news, nothing about what's upcoming, nothing about how they will fix the issues from the server merge, etc..



So, you be the judge, is Vanguard on its last leg? Personally, I think so. Now just to show you I'm not biased, I'm going to suggest you to play the game if you find it fun & interesting. I mean why not, the average longevity of a MMO these days is just a few months for players anyway before they move on to something else. But if you do subscribe, you at least do so knowing the facts about the game. No it's not in a good shape, no you won't expect much content releases let alone fixes to existing issues. No the population isn't on the rise and there really isn't anything worth mentioning about what's coming next. Anybody that tells you otherwise are just day dreaming. Nobody knows when VG will get shutdown. Before Matrix Online was shutdown, I would've probably said SOE wouldn't do it. But since MxO did get shutdown, I do fear VG will have the same fate sooner or later.



Hope that helps, have fun


almost 3 years later and Vanguard is a shell of a game.

I remember Vanguard beta, I remember how bad the Die hard loyalists were, they attacked
any one that had any type of critism of the game. Phrases like "Go back to Wow"
were tossed out so much around fourms (dose that sound familar here?) The player base was just as bad at driving people off as the bugs and high end system specs were.

I tried out Vanguard again 2 months ago, nothing in it changed, Some bugs got squashed,
a few ui tweaks, but it's a dead game. It's down to one server now with no full time devloper working on it.

So is that what you want Hallie? A game that will suffer a slow lingering death?
But hey at least people like you will still be playing right?

There's a saying: "those who do not study history tend to repeat it"
I don't want to see this game fail, but the player base can be just as harmful at driving people away. Trust me losing 90% (as you put it) of the player base is a disaster,
Vanguard lost over 90% of it's and look at the state of that game.


On the other hand, people were declaring the death of FFXI basically since it came out in the U.S. so just because someone says its happening doesn't make it true. Not all games are Vanguard.
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or if using a keyboard, press Z

Great didnt know that, they have no listing for a default Z function on the controls section of the beta website.
Found U is for the use items window which isnt listed either.
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Some one's got to buy this POS in order to keep development running. If S-E throws a paid beta test for the next six months to a year, and no one pays, then it will still be in the early beta state it's in now. I can think of no one more qualified to pay for the continued development of this game into a retail worthy version than fanboys like Hallie.

For those about to drool, we salute you!

/salute


Do you think you're clever? That's the second time you've said that. It's really not as clever as you think.



What I'm saying is true, so I don't care if it's clever.

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And for gods sake can anyone find some other way to express themselves other then dismissing everyone that doesn't agree with them as "fanboys". What a stupid, lazy retort.


When some one creates a thread whose stated purpose is to troll the critics, and gets trolled in turn, I don't think they're being picked on too harshly. People who like FFXIV are not "fanboys." People who have gone out of their way to belittle those who don't like the game (Hallie, for example) are fanboys. It's a very simple distinction really. Liking some thing is liking it. Liking it so much that it becomes part of your identity is being a fan. Feeling the need to project your fandom onto others at all costs is being a fanboy.
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One thing I am really looking forward to is for the people like me who really enjoy the game to have a chance to play with like minded individuals who also enjoy - and also to post on forums like this with others that feel the same.

Well expect the first month to be **** like with most of these releases.
Trolls love an audience, and if they have shelled out for the game, they will stay to the bitter end of the free time.
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Azimov wrote:
HallieXIV wrote:
One thing I am really looking forward to is for the people like me who really enjoy the game to have a chance to play with like minded individuals who also enjoy - and also to post on forums like this with others that feel the same.

Well expect the first month to be **** like with most of these releases.
Trolls love an audience, and if they have shelled out for the game, they will stay to the bitter end of the free time.


True...

I may dodge the general forum till Thanksgiving or so. =)
The class forums are far more tolerable.
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