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#52 Sep 11 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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ShonaSeraph wrote:

True...

I may dodge the general forum till Thanksgiving or so. =)
The class forums are far more tolerable.


If open beta's given us a taste of what's to come on the forums...yea, it's gonna be a madhouse.

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Liking some thing is liking it. Liking it so much that it becomes part of your identity is being a fan. Feeling the need to project your fandom onto others at all costs is being a fanboy.


I like that...

I guess that could apply to the opposite as well...people going well out of their way to repeatedly project their negative views on things...

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 2:52pm by TwistedOwl
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#53 Sep 11 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
gennji wrote:
Besides the extreme changes in gameplay/jobs/leveling ... beta might be a good idea. I see your FFXI JobLevel Tags, as someone who played 100s of hours on FFXI to another.. this game is a big change. Also running the beta on even a decent computer still has lag issues, your LS might want too see if they need to update anything on their system for better performance.

The game overall is really fun to play and set up very nice for Solo players too.
The music is wonderful, completing missions plays the original "battle-winning" song which is a big plus and missing from 11
The overall gameplay/chat/menus is similar enough to 11 to not be to confusing. The Bazzar system is good, new but not confusing. I see an Auction House in the beta, but it can not be accessed. Same with Chocobo ranch, I can't wait to see what they do with that.
I have been betaing mostly Mage jobs... all the spells appear to be Area of Affect only so far, kinda annoying if ya want to cast fire on the enemy you are fighting without pulling near-bys on accident..
There is a 30min time limit on all the quests I have got so far, this can be very annoying if you are soloing and die one or more times, then have to wait 3mins each time to get back to full health, there are random enemies still on the map so you can level up before questing again.
The time limits have yet to affect my playing, 30mins seems to be more than enough time for now...

I hope things are not still in "BETA" when the CE comes out... Betaing this game is good idea, it is OPEN and FREE (Worldwide now, I think)


I myself have played the Beta, game runs fine and my computer is far from good. The rest of the shell doesn't have crazy expectations, they've read through the forums and such. They've all said they'll play it casually and come back to FFXI for the endgame content. That's what I plan to do too. The game's enjoyable so far I suppose, lots of problems, but I like where it's going. I just think back to FFXI at first, the game was rather bad for the most part, but things got better with age. To those who think things were better back then...no, they weren't.
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#54 Sep 11 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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RedHobbit wrote:
ValamyrGuardias wrote:
What i can't stomach is changing class to a miner or fisher and then switching back to a pugilist resets all my bars, and i have to go through all my skills and replace them again, and again, and again... that is a very simple fix, and if Square refuses to fix even that, when are they going to fix the major issues? Like Memory Leaks and whatever else pops up.


You can work around this in the following way:
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Now exit out of the macro setting dialog all the way back to normal game. Now to change classes by using your macro, hit Ctrl-1 on your keyboard (assumes you put in upper left slot). It takes about 1 second per ability for it to load up your action bar, but it is easy as you just wait for it to get done.


That's not the point.

It doesn't matter that you can work around it - you shouldn't have to.

They've made the idea of changing classes whenever you want a central part of their pitch, so to make class-switching an overcomplicated hassle by requiring players to manually reassign abilities or write out a macro to do so (which must be updated every time a new useful ability is obtained, and which will eventually require multiple macros to perform due to the 10-line limit) is beyond poorly thought-out - it's the height of stupidity.

The game should remember what abilities (and possibly non-weapon gear) you have equipped on each class and automatically set them when you change classes. That it doesn't is absolutely inexcusable.

It's not like this is some minor side-issue - this is a core usability problem with a core gameplay mechanic. That they were completely unable to see the need for such a feature reflects abysmally upon their ability as game designers - if they cant get this right, why should I trust them to get anything else right?



And then consider the myriad other design decisions that give the impression that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing...

I want this game to succeed. I want to believe that all the flaws that currently exist will be addressed soon; but I have absolutely no faith in their ability to do so.
#55 Sep 11 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Default
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ShonaSeraph wrote:
Azimov wrote:
HallieXIV wrote:
One thing I am really looking forward to is for the people like me who really enjoy the game to have a chance to play with like minded individuals who also enjoy - and also to post on forums like this with others that feel the same.

Well expect the first month to be **** like with most of these releases.
Trolls love an audience, and if they have shelled out for the game, they will stay to the bitter end of the free time.


True...

I may dodge the general forum till Thanksgiving or so. =)
The class forums are far more tolerable.


Amen to that. Read my mind
#56zoltanrs, Posted: Sep 11 2010 at 7:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 30 seconds of time is hard huh. Maybe they should just assign the macros 1 letter instead of the 4 words you might need to make one. You'd still QQ tho. Perhaps you'd prefer to run from wherever you are in the world to your house to swap classes? Then write macros for that whole class anyway(Yeah just like now) and then run back to where you wanna be.
#57 Sep 11 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Default
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yup I'm excited! cant wait til the 22nd to get my pre order and play : )
#58 Sep 11 2010 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps you'd prefer to run from wherever you are in the world to your house to swap classes? Then write macros for that whole class anyway(Yeah just like now) and then run back to where you wanna be.


I think the point was more that you shouldn't have to write macros at all... I could be completely wrong though.
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#59 Sep 11 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Just now checking the forums since the beta came out. I had no idea so many MMO players would be angry at a beta that pretty much let you create your own class from whatever you previously leveled.

Seemed like a mad dream that somehow came true and worked. I'm glad that I know now this game will be the next Vanguard. You can learn a lot from forums.
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#60 Sep 11 2010 at 7:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I agree... The way people are being treated for criticizing Final Fantasy XIV.. is rediculously outrageous.. So far I have seen zero constructive rebuke from a Final Fantasy fanboy.. A few I have noted in the last week or so..

- the infamous "it is a beta".. eff off.. we are less than 2 weeks away from release
- "se is hiding features".. (no sh*t genius it is a beta after all).. the other features must be so ridiculously amazing.. that it will hide all the current flaws (sarcasm)..
- "go play WoW" ... at this point I fail to see how WoW sucks in comparison to this ultra-grind fest that you call a game.. (note the word ultra)
- "this game is not on easy mode" Grinding is not rated on a scale from easy to hard... It is rated on a scale of effing retardedly boring as a dam cow.. to instant max level in a day.. FF XIV clearly chose the former.. stupid dumb asses..
- "the graphics are awesome" .. no comment.. looks like another shallow gamer
- "I have hope" .. so did those APB, vanguard, and Aion fans.. look at where they are now..

I'm not saying this game is effing terrible (or maybe I am) Seriously get a grip, and see reality.. Needless to say.. this is the first game ever where I see countless people posting that they are dropping pre-orders.. Not a good sign at all :| ... HAVE HOPE YOU FOOLS.. HAVE LOTS OF DAM HOPE!!

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 9:58pm by nick2412
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WoW: we want to give players a more fun time with less grinding and generic quests
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Final Fantasy XIV: we want less fun and more grinding
#61 Sep 11 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
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HallieXIV wrote:
Guys (and girls)

Just wanted to take the opportunity to say goodbye to the vast majority of you. We are fast approaching retail release and the reality that in less than 2 weeks time you will have to shell out plenty of dollars to buy retail release, and then a monthly fee thereafter.

As most beta players think the game is so terrible, I assume they would not be so stupid as to spend their hard earned cash playing the game. I certainly would not spend my money doing something I hate. If they do spend the cash - we should assume that they actually like the game.

One thing I am really looking forward to is for the people like me who really enjoy the game to have a chance to play with like minded individuals who also enjoy - and also to post on forums like this with others that feel the same.

So "hello" to retail release players, and goodbye to the rest. Its been fun.

(yay - my first ever troll post)
Last I checked the percentage was more like 17% (people that wouldn't be buying the game at release that previously would be). Then you have to include people who don't really frequent the board but are planning on getting the game at release, so we'll probably pick up more people that do and do not like the game.

But yeah.




Edited, Sep 11th 2010 9:10pm by bsphil
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#62 Sep 11 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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I agree... The way people are being treated for criticizing Final Fantasy XIV.. is rediculously outrageous.. So far I have seen zero constructive rebuke from a Final Fantasy fanboy.. A few I have noted in the last week or so..

- the infamous "it is a beta".. eff off.. we are less than 2 weeks away from release
- "se is hiding features".. (no sh*t genius it is a beta after all).. the other features must be so ridiculously amazing.. that it will hide all the current flaws (sarcasm)..
- "go play WoW" ... at this point I fail to see how WoW sucks in comparison to this ultra-grind fest that you call a game.. (note the word ultra)
- "this game is not on easy mode" Grinding is not rated on a scale from easy to hard... It is rated on a scale of effing retardedly boring as a dam cow.. to instant max level in a day.. FF XIV clearly chose the former.. stupid dumb asses..
- "the graphics are awesome" .. no comment.. looks like another shallow gamer
- "I have hope" .. so did those APB, vanguard, and Aion fans.. look at where they are now..

I'm not saying this game is effing terrible (or maybe I am) Seriously get a grip, and see reality.. Needless to say.. this is the first game ever where I see countless people posting that they are dropping pre-orders.. Not a good sign at all :| ... HAVE HOPE YOU FOOLS.. HAVE LOTS OF DAM HOPE!!



Gotta agree with ya on this one. I think it's best for everyone that doesn't enjoy the beta to just not buy it at release and wait a year or 2 then come back to the game (if it still exists). Because currently the game is boring and insanely slow paced. Eventually, they'll fix all the problems with the game but until then play something else is my suggestion. If you're into DoTA style games check out League of Legends, it's totally free, it's what I'll be playing atm.
#63 Sep 11 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default
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I agree... The way people are being treated for criticizing Final Fantasy XIV.. is rediculously outrageous.. So far I have seen zero constructive rebuke from a Final Fantasy fanboy.. A few I have noted in the last week or so..

- the infamous "it is a beta".. eff off.. we are less than 2 weeks away from release
- "se is hiding features".. (no sh*t genius it is a beta after all).. the other features must be so ridiculously amazing.. that it will hide all the current flaws (sarcasm)..
- "go play WoW" ... at this point I fail to see how WoW sucks in comparison to this ultra-grind fest that you call a game.. (note the word ultra)
- "this game is not on easy mode" Grinding is not rated on a scale from easy to hard... It is rated on a scale of effing retardedly boring as a dam cow.. to instant max level in a day.. FF XIV clearly chose the former.. stupid dumb asses..
- "the graphics are awesome" .. no comment.. looks like another shallow gamer
- "I have hope" .. so did those APB, vanguard, and Aion fans.. look at where they are now..

I'm not saying this game is effing terrible (or maybe I am) Seriously get a grip, and see reality.. Needless to say.. this is the first game ever where I see countless people posting that they are dropping pre-orders.. Not a good sign at all :| ... HAVE HOPE YOU FOOLS.. HAVE LOTS OF DAM HOPE!!

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 9:58pm by nick2412



Considering that you consider anyone who disagrees with you a stereoptyped 'fanboy' I imagine the issue is that you don't listen. Look to yourself.
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#64 Sep 11 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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@ digitalcraft

You fail to comprehend my post... My post is regarding generic replies from fanboys/fangals.. and has nothing to do with my hating on those people... I am just revealing the utter stupidity and unoriginality that resides in this community.. I.e. posting the same reply to any given argument... , and of course your type of posts.. where you rage before you read.. (aka being a bias prick)

Furthermore I am not saying all Fanboys/Fangals are bad.. some are super fantastic and helpful (they are the ones that taught me the utorrent method of patching as well as the hardware mouse patch).. while others (especially those 900+ post people) are arrogant like crap.. and pretty much put down anyone that criticizes the game in any way shape or form.. You see it everyday.. some dude was confused with a the client download.. they waltz in .. and started to spew smart *** (sometimes irrevelent) remarks in to the clueless person's thread..
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WoW: we want to give players a more fun time with less grinding and generic quests
GW2: we want the player to feel like they are leveling while doing something fun
Final Fantasy XIV: we want less fun and more grinding
#65 Sep 11 2010 at 9:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like the game so far, but it has so much going wrong for it to be accepted as a subscription service MMO, let alone charging for additional services... If this hit the shelves 4 years ago... Anyways, I typed out a whole paragraph to the argument, but then deleted it in order to save everyone else time in making their own decision.
#66 Sep 11 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to play the freaking **** game. I'll make a decision on whether I'll keep on playing it in a few months, and the choice will be my own reasons, not swayed by a bunch of ppl on a forum who only messed around on the Beta and could only b*itch about it.
You don't like it? Then there's your reason for not buying it. That's the only thing that matters.

Edit: So I got rated down because I didn't line up to say the game will suck? That I'd rather make up my own mind about it AFTER the game goes retail? You ppl are unbelievable.

Edited, Sep 12th 2010 12:49am by Vorkosigan
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#67runtheplacered, Posted: Sep 11 2010 at 10:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh get off it. Like you weren't trying to be a prick.
#68 Sep 11 2010 at 11:53 PM Rating: Good
runtheplacered wrote:
KarlHungis Delivers on Time wrote:
What I'm saying is true, so I don't care if it's clever.



Oh get off it. Like you weren't trying to be a prick.



If what I said managed to offend the OP, I certainly don't regret it. The OP was certainly not trying to avoid offending people.
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First of all what you said wasn't true, it was an opinion. How can it be true?


It's a fact that people who buy the game now are increasing the chance of the game lasting long enough and having a large enough development budget to possibly make the number of changes I think it needs in order to be a finished, fun to play retail product. For me to say that's a "good" thing is of course an opinion, but aside from competitors of S-E, I don't see how any one would really see it as a "bad" thing. The truth of it seems pretty self evident.

If the tone of my post seemed some what snarky or belittling, perhaps it was a response to the tone of the OP.

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Your comment was no more "true" then if I just flat out said "You suck."

What're you some kind of sociopath that can't tell the difference between being an @#%^ and not being an @#%^? I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were trying to be clever.


In answer to your question: no. As a response to your statement: I don't care.
#69 Sep 12 2010 at 12:23 AM Rating: Default
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@ digitalcraft

You fail to comprehend my post... My post is regarding generic replies from fanboys/fangals.. and has nothing to do with my hating on those people... I am just revealing the utter stupidity and unoriginality that resides in this community.. I.e. posting the same reply to any given argument... , and of course your type of posts.. where you rage before you read.. (aka being a bias prick)

Furthermore I am not saying all Fanboys/Fangals are bad.. some are super fantastic and helpful (they are the ones that taught me the utorrent method of patching as well as the hardware mouse patch).. while others (especially those 900+ post people) are arrogant like crap.. and pretty much put down anyone that criticizes the game in any way shape or form.. You see it everyday.. some dude was confused with a the client download.. they waltz in .. and started to spew smart *** (sometimes irrevelent) remarks in to the clueless person's thread..


No I comprehended it just fine, thanks. You stereotype everyone and argue against a straw man because its easier. Fine, fine, but you're not going to convince anyone, so good luck with that. ^.^
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