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#1 Sep 10 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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We have no real way of knowing what prices things should be... what the markup is or should be, and it got me thinking if we used the current pricing (as close as possible) from ffxi for similar items in ffxiv - it might be a good place to start.

I started thinking about this as i've seen prices all over the place, which is normal in bazars, but if we're to do without an AH for the foreseeable future, and bazars are all we have with no particular way to search from city to city...

anyway, wanted to start the conversation what do you think?

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#2 Sep 10 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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Being as there isn't an AH (or one that has been announced yet) I don't think any 2 people will follow the same sort of mark up reasoning. You'll probably end up with a lot of people just pricing things for what they would expect to pay or the greedy ones pricing it for what they wish they could get.

Personally I'm probably just going to charge slightly more for most of the dropped materials than the vendor would buy them for. As for crafted things I'd probably base it on what material costs would be or if I notice a trend of a certain item always being ~3k then use that as the standard (if it's reasonable for the item).

Edit: Hopefully beta is not indicator of what is to come for people's decision on prices. While looking for a few extra crystals I came across a stack for 24 for 240gil which I thought was extremely cheap. Standing right next to that person was someone selling crystals for 350gil each.

Edited, Sep 10th 2010 7:49pm by sima2
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#3 Sep 10 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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I was thinking about this myself.

I'm not sure how the pricing structure could be handled for bazaars unless it takes a sort of "Price Grabber" approach so that when you place an item up for sale it shows a range of other prices (highest and lowest maybe?) that that particular item is currently being sold for on that server. This would still allow you to set your own price but it would also help you gauge where in the current market your price is.

It would also be nice if you could see those same values when you're trying to purchase an item so you know you're not getting ripped of (based on the market) but that's probably going too far and people should just shop around a bit before buying something.

Just a thought. ;-)
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#4 Sep 10 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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parkerjones wrote:
We have no real way of knowing what prices things should be... what the markup is or should be, and it got me thinking if we used the current pricing (as close as possible) from ffxi for similar items in ffxiv - it might be a good place to start.

I started thinking about this as i've seen prices all over the place, which is normal in bazars, but if we're to do without an AH for the foreseeable future, and bazars are all we have with no particular way to search from city to city...

anyway, wanted to start the conversation what do you think?

cheers



The major flaw in this is that items may not be comparably obtainable, and Gil may be easier to obtain. It'd be like going to china from the US and saying "but where I come from, an apple only costs one piece of paper."
#5 Sep 10 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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example...

i farm rats for their meat... if i go to an NPC - he or she offers me 199gil ea. - and the meat trader turns around and sells it for 4347gil ea. obviously there's a markup for the game to pay out for Leves and quests - but for the bazaars, there's got to be a system of value or the idea SE has supposedly gone a long way to invent (DoH, DoL farming and selling to DoW etc...) will be for nothing.

a state's economy is based on a fair trade system which relies on supply and demand. if the game's economy is to survive, then there must be some sort of central search to compare prices from city to city... and to also be able to call bull@#$! if someone is abusing the system.

profit is important - agreed. but it's got to work within a margin... which is why maybe something like the ffxiah website should be created for players to track prices... how to do that - i've got no idea! ha.
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#6 Sep 10 2010 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Sephrick - what you say is correct. and i agree. what a piece of iron ore costs in Gridania will not be the same in Ul'Dah.

in ffxi - we would ask if someone was near an AH in Bastok or wherever to check on AH prices. if we can have some sort of central search - it might work out the way it's set up with bazaars. but if not... then it'll be everyone for themselves, and the sense of a "real world" economy will never get off the ground... and it won't be as immersive.
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#7 Sep 10 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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parkerjones wrote:

Sephrick - what you say is correct. and i agree. what a piece of iron ore costs in Gridania will not be the same in Ul'Dah.

in ffxi - we would ask if someone was near an AH in Bastok or wherever to check on AH prices. if we can have some sort of central search - it might work out the way it's set up with bazaars. but if not... then it'll be everyone for themselves, and the sense of a "real world" economy will never get off the ground... and it won't be as immersive.



Well, I meant more going between XI and XIV. With anima travel in XIV, I have a feeling prices between towns will be a lot closer. Easy travel shrinks the world in an economic sense.
#8 Sep 10 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
Ya, gonna have to cast my vote in "ridiculous idea" column. Why? Just...why? Can you not use some imagination and consider what (if anything) a vendor is selling for or what (if anything) you think the item is worth to you and try it out? You lose nothing if you bazaar an item for a few days and it doesn't sell. For a lot of basic crafting materials you can get an idea of what it would earn you to sell the item to a vendor and charge a bit more and see how it goes. Why anyone would even pause to consider the idea of using XI's economy as a basis...just, no. First of all, you're going to be on a server full of people, only a fraction of whom read/post here. Meaning all your tedious effort remembering or trying to consider and compare and all that nonsense for the great XI -XIV conversion will be a waste of time because it's a pretty safe bet you're going to be the only one doing it.
#9 Sep 10 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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so... if we get search, will the bazaar system work? or not?

if we don't get search, would an external site or a third party plugin like Windower make any difference?

and I guess just as relevant... it's just a game! does it all really matter!? :)
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