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#1 Sep 16 2010 at 8:43 AM Rating: Default
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Heals…. My experience
I was level12 Thaumaturge at camp Horizon with 3 LeveQuest so I started asking for help. Time goes by and I was up to drop the high levequest (I solo the Imp LeveQuest but fail another) when a group of 3 others level 9 Mar, 12 Mar and 16 Gla show up and told me that I could join them. The Marauder lvl 9 run to the mobs as soon as we start the levequest ….. BOOOM died in 1 shot!

/shout RUN RUN RUN! Save your life!

Well it didn’t start well. He said we should quit the levequest, I said “no, let me heal and let the Gladiator level16 go first and agro the mobs.”
First levequest was done in a few minutes, everyone alive and we were fighting 1 mob per time.
Second LeveQuest started getting stink, we start fighting the dodo “Lady’s Bite” (2 per fight) who needs to become Bugs. Well I had to AOE heals and I was getting too much aggro, the tank couldn’t aoe provoke because we had 4 buffalo around us…. BOOM I died. Sickness… ready for next group of Dodo I was pulling more threat than the tank and I was only healing…. Luck I use punishing bards and dodo died quick.
Third levequest we fought the 5 & 5 types of humans 2 at each time (I forgot the levequest name). We run to the camp… the buffalos were following us…. (I had the feeling that death was following us….) well we start the fight I was getting so much aggro the tank couldn’t keep it up, I was trying my best to keep the level9 and 12 alive (and myself). I know that I found myself “tanking” 1 mob each 5 turn of the fight …. I died 5 times on that levequest.

I was not dealing any damage, only heals. It was really hard for the tank to keep the aggro. AOE damage was forbidden thanks to the 4~6 buffalos following us.

Now please tell me if any of you guys when healing a group, are pulling too much aggro?
I felt that the enmity table was all over
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#2 Sep 16 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default
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I have to say that I feel they fixed the enmity. A few weeks ago I was having the same problems but as of two days ago, I am not.

The last two nights I was fighting in Coerthas as a CON 9 with PUG 13 and LNC 14. The PUG was tanking but the LNC pulled hate sometimes. The PUG didn't have Provoke, only Taunt. I was healing when needed which on yellow or red mobs meant spamming AE cures along with AE shock spikes and while waiting for cooldown timers spamming spirit dart. I pulled hate maybe two times all night and that was because it was at the start of the fight and the PUG hadn't used Taunt yet.
#3 Sep 16 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Default
Gladiators are not ideally suited to AoE tanking right now. Even if they borrow heavily from Marauder weapon skills, Gladiators start off ideally suited to tanking single targets and producing substantial enmity. As soon as you start adding enemies, things start to get a bit wonky. Much later on, GLadiators start getting a bit more suited to AoE tanking with abilities like Clamor, but if you look through the abilities list for Gladiator, most of it is single target stuff.

There are just too many variables to be able to say why enmity was such an issue. All of the above notwithstanding, a Gladiator shouldn't have too much trouble with two mobs unless your dps weren't attacking the right one. But if your tank can't use AoE attacks because you've chosen to fight the mobs in the middle of a pack of other mobs, you've sort of set yourself up for failure. It's too early now, however, to be able to pick apart different situations (even if you had provided all of the necessary details) and try to assess whether it was a skill issue or a game tuning issue.
#4 Sep 16 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Default
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I thought you could AOE on Levequest mobs without fear of grabbing extras?

I remember using AOE magic before in CB on stuff and it didn't pull the Dodo I was next too.
#5 Sep 16 2010 at 8:58 AM Rating: Default
EmotionBlues wrote:
I thought you could AOE on Levequest mobs without fear of grabbing extras?

I remember using AOE magic before in CB on stuff and it didn't pull the Dodo I was next too.


To be honest, I've never put myself in a position to try. If a levequest has called for fighting multiple mobs, I've always pulled them to a place where "collateral damage" wouldn't be an issue.
#6 Sep 16 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Default
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I can confirm that AoE on Leve mobs will indeed aggro non-Leve mobs. Had it happen a few times with my conjuror in Gridania...kinda sucks, but to be expected.
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#7 Sep 16 2010 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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/shout RUN RUN RUN! Save your life!


OMG I love it, it made me cry imagining the scene with a tarutaru dance.
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#8 Sep 16 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a lv 19 GLA and so far the only time the healer is pulling to much hate from me is when we are fight stuff way over our heads. Then its going badly anyway because we are taking to much damage. It is no problem for me to tank 2-3 mobs(anymore and I don't have the abilities to keep up at the moment) now as long as the rest of the party is smart and knows to fight 1 at a time instead of each person trying to solo 1. I can provoke one, taunt the second, and we fight the third. Just need to make it clear to let me get hate on the third before everyone starts going crazy. There is no AoE provoke until lv 30 MRD, they get warmonger. I am learning to control my stamina and enmity more as I get these other abilities and better understanding of the job. The GLA was just probably inexperienced or the mob was just to high of a lv. The enmity pretty much works like most MMORPG's you just have to learn what works best for that certain fight. A lot of people have been soloing so there is going to be a few that will need to learn what they need to do different in a party.

Some of the threads on here are trying to tell people that provoke and taunt shouldn't be used as the main form of hate control and it's false. I have tried it several different ways and found hate is stackable and the amount of hate it produces is faster then the 2-3 light attacks it takes to gain the same amount.

As far as the goats and other mobs that just follow you around. Sometimes it is possible for others that don't need to be up near the mobs you are fighting to get their attention. Then they may not be in the AoE range. I still wouldn't recommend AoE's due to the tank not being able to keep hate unless you can kill them very fast. Something like 2-3 nukers all going around the same time.

There is a lv 20 leve called "to catch a thief" I think its called. It's a very hard leve even for 5 people around 18-19 on 3 star setting. It involves killing groups of 2 human enemies at a time to get some items. They hit hard as **** and do AoE damage. I was able to tank them until people in my party would use their AoE weapon skills before I was able to use mine. Then I would be scrambling around to get hate back on the other off mob. I also try to tell people in my party to try and stay behind the mob and in front of me. Provoke and taunt only works when I'm facing the mob. So, the healer being behind me drawing hate would make it where I have to turn around then provoke. Taking up an extra second or two of time. Hopefully this is something that will get adjusted. I noticed cure works the same way.
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#9 Sep 16 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive found that as a Marauder, if my group lets my do my first cure (i dont even think you have to actually heal any HP for the huge spike in animty) then I rarely lose the mobs attention.
#10 Sep 16 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Default
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Provoke and taunt only works when I'm facing the mob.


Are you sure about this ?
#11 Sep 16 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Provoke and taunt only works when I'm facing the mob.


Are you sure about this ?


yes it says "You are not facing the target."
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#12 Sep 16 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Default
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wow what happen here, looks like someone is upsad and rating down everyone else 8(
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#13 Sep 16 2010 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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wow what happen here, looks like someone is upsad and rating down everyone else 8(


Ya, someone has got a mad-on about something. They can only do it for so long before they get no-rated, though, so I say let them have their fun now.
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