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#1 Sep 16 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Gun...Blade...

Gunblade!

That's the best thing I've heard for ages

How good would it be to have Centurian class in an expansion as PS3 comes out?? Seems to me that the next 6 months will be a giant PC beta for PS3 anyway, then they'll add a tonne of stuff to entice the mass market after they've tested on us Guinea pigs for a bit.

#3 Sep 16 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I have never understood Gunblades... the whole idea seems idiotic to me. You aren't going to shoot it as you swing (no one is that coordinated) just give me a gun and a sword...
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#4 Sep 16 2010 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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F3rth wrote:
I have never understood Gunblades... the whole idea seems idiotic to me. You aren't going to shoot it as you swing (no one is that coordinated) just give me a gun and a sword...


Pulling the trigger sets off vibrations or something. Don't make me think about it, just know that its awesome.
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#5 Sep 16 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
I actually saw a real "gunblade" in the firearms wing of the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody, Wyoming. It was several hundred years old, and as I recall, it was basically a pistol built into the handle of a saber or something like that, and I think it was facing the same way as the blade. This was years ago, so I don't remember too clearly to describe it well.
#6 Sep 16 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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its like a lightsaber, thinking about it just makes it sound stupid. Gun + blade = gunblade. which means that gunblade > gun or blade on its own. see, Math just proved its better.
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#7 Sep 16 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah i've seen that too. The gun fires the same direction as the edge of the blade not the point.

The gunblade I envisioned when i read the OP was something similar to what squall had in ff8. I just remember the game mechanic of pressing a button mid swing to increase damage and thinking how silly it was.

But then I have a very scientific mind, so the logistics of being able to hit someone with a sword and shoot them, with the same sword, at the same time is improbable beyong measure... maybe stabbing and shooting would work... but really... you'd only shoot them in the same place you just stabbed them... which seems... redundant.
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#8 Sep 16 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I always just figured the gunblade cartridges put some kind of electric charge into the blade, which would explain why you need to 'shoot' it at the moment it makes contact, not sooner or after. Or other elemental charges too, which explains the various elemental damage being routed into your weapon via GF junction.

If you look at high res images of the gunblades, they don't have a barrel, so I think this was the intent behind the design. It doesn't shoot out anything, just charges into the blade.

.. Suddenly I want to play FF8 again.


Edited, Sep 16th 2010 3:15pm by RattyBatty
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#9 Sep 16 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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If the barrel is in the hilt/pommel area of the sword, and you are dualing with someone else who has a sword, I can picture a scene like in movies where they want it to seem tense and epic. You've blocked each others swing, pushing against each other with the blades and they slide down and you're making eye contact and scowling at each other, sword hilts almost level with eyes. Just shoot the other guy in the head. :D
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#10 Sep 16 2010 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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It would be easier to cut/shoot someone with a gun blade than it would be to some how make a fireball appear out of thin air from your hands and aim it at your enemy and kill them with it.
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#11 Sep 16 2010 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
I actually saw a real "gunblade" in the firearms wing of the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody, Wyoming. It was several hundred years old, and as I recall, it was basically a pistol built into the handle of a saber or something like that, and I think it was facing the same way as the blade. This was years ago, so I don't remember too clearly to describe it well.


I dont belive this for one second...... there's actually something in Wyoming?!? =P
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#12 Sep 16 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The first rule of posting about Gunblades or Materia in an FF Online game is:
There is no posting about Gunblades or Materia in an FF Online game
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#13 Sep 16 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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Physics and magic are different stories... the logistics I refer to are this: there is no point in the arc of the swing of a sword in which the barrel would be pointing at the enemy. Physically speaking, if they block, the gun portion isn't focused anywhere near them, if you hit them, the gun portion still isn't focused anywhere near them because once you hit them, the force of the swing is stopped (swords don't actually travel through human bodies) at best you could lodge the sword in them, it would get stuck, and now you are stuck in the same redundancy as stabbing them (IE... you just lodged a huge chunk of metal into someone... shooting them at this point is a little unnecessary). and what's worse, once the sword is lodged in them, it most likely will have to be discarded or you have to spend time and effort dislodging it, during which time, the gun portion is useless.

In any of these situations I can't see a point where it wouldn't be better to have a sword and a gun, autonomously from each other.

Going back to the comment about magic though... In THIS world, neither one makes any sense. No one (i know of) can summon fire from nothing so the effort to do so is futile... but just as futile is the effort of trying to swing a projectile weapon like a melee weapon and still expect the projectile to have anything even remotely close to the desired effect.

In the world of the game though... the magic obviously happens so its not futile... but physics isn't altered (or if it is, there is no evidence of it) so the act of swinging a projectile weapon like a melee weapon and having it work is still a futile act. most likely you'd shoot wildly off the mark, or hit something else entirely(like the ground... or some poor shmuck off to the side.)

Batty's take makes the most sense but still the reaction time involved to pull a trigger midswing to discharge whatever effect in the blade is stretching the realm of the feasible.. though its much less of a leap than if it were a projectile.

The argument there is that I'm pretty sure there are cutscenes showing the barrel of the gunblades in ff8 are housed in the blades and shown to be projectiles... The one thing stopping me from looking for proof is that i think ff8 is a horrible game and have no intention of playing it again, ever.

Getting back to my original point though... Gunblades never made sense to me. Give me a gun, a sword, or a gun and a sword... don't try to put them together.

Edited, Sep 16th 2010 6:30pm by F3rth
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