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#1 Sep 17 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I Just got done building my computer much thanks to researching the info on thus site : )
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A friend of mine told me you shouldn't use an LCD TV for computer gaming because of the delay,
Is this true? And if so do they make TVs without the delay?
#2 Sep 17 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Not true to my knowledge. I use my old Lcd for my computer and it's no different than any of the monitors(about 8) that I've had it hooked up to.

I reserve any negative comments about your "friend" for my mind only.
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#3 Sep 17 2010 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
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I uses a 32" lcd hi-def tv and have a second basic monitior hooked up as well, never ran into any type of delay.... perhaps your friend could give ya a bit more details on what hes talking about.
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#4 Sep 17 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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mynussyfitches wrote:
I Just got done building my computer much thanks to researching the info on thus site : )
HD 5850
I7
6 gb ram
A friend of mine told me you shouldn't use an LCD TV for computer gaming because of the delay,
Is this true? And if so do they make TVs without the delay?


(Basing all of this on 30 seconds of Googling refresh rates feel free to correct me)

The refresh rate on TVs is generally a little lower than on PC monitors but you're never going to notice the 4-5ms difference. You'll never find one without the delay since you'll never refresh the screen instantly but you can get any kind of display with lower refresh rates. Again you'll almost never see a difference when looking at them side by side.
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#5 Sep 17 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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He plays alot of fp shooter types maybe its minor enough that its only noticable on
Fast moving games?
#6 Sep 17 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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mynussyfitches wrote:
He plays alot of fp shooter types maybe its minor enough that its only noticable on
Fast moving games?


Why do I have a feeling that he also feels playing a game at 1080p at 240 fps is noticeably better than playing the same content at 200 fps?

I play a lot of FPS's too, it's not noticible.
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#7 Sep 17 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive been playing the beta on both my 52" Samsung HD in 1080 as well as a 20" monitor in 720... no difference, besides the 52" making me dizzy.
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#8 Sep 17 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I have noticed an LCD delay with Rockband at my friends house on their 50" LCD. With a game like Rockband, the timing is very precise and I noticed it was off because you had to hit the keys slightly earlier to get the note to register as perfect.

I think in Rockband there is an option that lets you calibrate the timing.

As for FFXIV, the small amount of LCD lag is not going to affect you.

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 11:37am by Cyiode
#9 Sep 17 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
Someone posted a really nice guide about setting up a TV to use for a monitor for PC gaming....

I'll see if I can find it, but the basics were that you should turn off any extra features the TV has, sharpness/blackness/smoothness enhancers.
#10 Sep 17 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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I have a 46" samsung, and even when im on the desktop it feels like the mouse is lagging. So apparently your friend and I are the only ones who have the problem. Im not too worried about using it, i just wanted to see what it looked like on a big screen.
Im sure there may be a way to fix it though, i just didnt care enough to look it up, im fine with my monitor.

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 3:17pm by Zidaga
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#11 Sep 17 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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LOTS of vastly inaccurate information in this thread. HDTV lag is very much real and there is significant documentation on it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125

I got a Samsung 55" and it is noticeable, especially with 120hz on (never use that ever for gaming!). If it wasn't real, why would most HDTV's nowadays have a Game Mode specifically to address this issue?

For something like FFXIV, it may not be enough of a difference, it is mainly a fighting game/FPS online phenomenon.

#12 Sep 17 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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hmmmm... why the rate downs, just asking a simple question, didnt mean to offend anyone playing on a LCD TV, sheesh... some of you are so sensitive.

Anywho after some research i see there is in fact a bit of delay using a TV rather than a monitor... So my question is now, does anyone play on one with a "game mode" or a TV made for gaming? Looking for a recommendation^^ thanks
#13 Sep 17 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I play Tekken rather competitively and it is noticeable, however on a game like that a 2-3 frame delays is inexcusable. For something like FFXIV where the timing is probably not going to be as critical for < 1 second, if you aren't lagging connection wise, you are golden.

I know it's a long thread but there are a LOT of screenshot comparisons on many models of many sizes all the way from 19" to 60"+ so I highly recommend reading...well all of it. As much as I love my Samsung TV and it's picture for Blu-ray is amazing, Samsungs tend to have notorious high delay rates, up to 80ms. Game mode does help but not enough for the listed games.

FPS online, fighting games and some sports games with precise kick meters are very noticeable, there is no denying it. As a matter of fact, the exact reason WHY Rock Band includes a calibration is specifically for this reason and many people use that in there delay tests, along with other methods.

P.S. You got rated down because of the haters, it happens. When hard facts come out, some people get all bent out of shape; forum has been on high tension mode for obvious reasons as of late.
#14 Sep 17 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I know playing the beta, I had a distorted line across my 46" screen. It's not that big of a problem for me, but it would be nice not to have it. Not like it'll affect my gameplay, and I can see myself not noticing it when I play enough.
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