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#1 Sep 18 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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Or not, I dunno but I found this article on their website and again they have nothing but good things to say about FFXIV, in typical Sankaku fashion: Link removed

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Square Enix’s bizarre decision to rename “Chocobos” to “horsebirds” for the Japanese version of Final Fantasy XIV has given rise to a storm of criticism and a grovelling and unconvincing apology from the designers.

Meanwhile, players have begun to speculate that the game was largely made in China, with Chinese audiences in mind…

The situation began with Square Enix revealing it has a full Chinese version of Final Fantasy XIV planned.

Square Enix for its part has commented that “the Chinese version is a completely different service” and that it will solve the problem of gold farmers with IP bans.

Japanese players of Final Fantasy XIV soon noticed that their own version of the game dispensed completely with the “English” names in favour of names using Chinese characters exclusively.

Chocobos thus became “horsebirds,” a phrase as ridiculous to Japanese ears as to western ones.

Final Fantasy games have typically made heavy use of English in their Japanese language versions. Most Japanese players seem to have found these made-up Kanji terms considerably more confusing than the admittedly unwieldy English transliterations.

Curiously, some users also noticed that “index finger” was written in Chinese rather than Japanese – a very odd oversight indeed, unless it somehow transpired that the game was actually developed in China.

Soon suspicious users began to connect these changes with another major design change – the highly controversial “fatigue system,” which imposes severe penalties for players who play too long, as Square Enix sees it.

In fact, Chinese law requires all MMORPGs to have just such a “fatigue” system, in order to “protect” players from the addictive properties of these games.

For many, the coincidence of this exact feature appearing in the game alongside an announcement of a full Chinese release cannot be dismissed as coincidence. Soon Square Enix was being accused of making most of the game in China, for the Chinese.

Regarding this sudden change in naming, Square Enix’s Hiromichi Tanaka was at pains to deny it had anything to do with a Chinese version:

“Even in XI there were these Chinese-like Kanji names – it was just intended to build atmosphere. It’s just made-in-Japan Chinese for a Japanese audience, the Chinese version is probably translated completely differently I expect.”

The next day Square Enix published a lengthy explanation of the decision, saying it was intended to simplify naming by consolidating on Chinese-like names but that the resultant mixture of hard to read Kanji names and the remaining unwieldy English names was even more confusing and inconvenient, and that it ruined the atmosphere.

As a result they announced they would be changing back to the English style naming.

Not all are convinced:

“What an absurd excuse!”

“The naming was abnormal, but putting out an explanation like that is even more abnormal…”

“You don’t normally write ‘index finger’ in Chinese for no reason, do you?”

“If this explanation is right, then there’s no reason for ‘Chocobo’ to become ‘horsebird’ now is there?”

“There is no way they turned ‘Chocobo’ into ‘horsebird’ to make it easier to remember.”

“Explain that one away!”

Of course, none of these translation concerns are likely to impinge upon the western release of the game (although seeing the international reaction to Chocobos being renamed to “Horsebirds” would be instructive indeed).

The suspicion that the fatigue system was largely introduced as a way of coping with Chinese laws does however make as least as much sense as the “reaching out to casuals by curbing hardcore players” explanation offered, and the doubts over the use of Chinese text in the game do not seem to have been dismissed as easily as Square Enix apparently hopes.


EDIT: Mods remove link if its not allowed, sorry didn't notice the hentai - Thanks for the heads up Eske.


Edited, Sep 18th 2010 1:47pm by SolidMack

Edited, Sep 18th 2010 11:14am by Osarion
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#2 Sep 18 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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That's so far out there I actually laughed.

It's like the National Enquirer of FF.
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I feel some kind of anger in me. Or is that amusement?

Edited, Sep 18th 2010 1:38pm by Vackashken
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#4 Sep 18 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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You should probably "NSFW" tag anything from Sankaku, as an aside.

On topic: they're really killing any remaining illusion of impartiality. That's quite a hysterical response to what really is a miniscule issue.
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#5 Sep 18 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Man, lol, I love how they brought up the fatigue system and that it's inception was due to the implementation of the game in China. What is it like 8 hours before you begin to notice an xp loss, and thats just on a single class!?! (pls correct me if I am wrong)

The hardcore player, if they do have an excess of 8 hours / day to play, will find many other activities to do in game and if they really just focus on grinding they will switch to another job. Sorry, I don't get into heated topics normally but it is early, I had a lousy sleep and I am watching 'My House in Umbira' because there is nothing else on.

On a side note, how stoked all are you that it is 4/5 days to pre-release. ;)
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Man, lol, I love how they brought up the fatigue system and that it's inception was due to the implementation of the game in China. What is it like 8 hours before you begin to notice an xp loss, and thats just on a single class!?! (pls correct me if I am wrong)


Don't wanna open a can of worms but its completely dependent on your xp gain and I've played OB since it started and didn't even hit surplus xp, and I have a class at rank 15, physical level 20.

..and on a side note: I can't freakin' wait!!!!

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SolidMack wrote:
EDIT: Mods remove link if its not allowed, sorry didn't notice the hentai
Smiley: lol
I laugh, because I was just talking to a friend about how desensitized I am that stuff, that I don't even notice it when I'm on that site. And it's freaking covered with it.

Not sure why Sankaku Complex has such a HUEG problem with FFXIV. I think the dude is just jealous he wasn't in the alpha/beta.
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Right on S.M.

Having re-read this it made me think of Rush Limbaugh. Suddenly I am compelled to start drinking.

/em looks at watch and checks day

Saturday at 11

/em cracks a cold one
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#9 Sep 18 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget to pop the pain pills lol.
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That's kinda like 'away' right? anyway, jk, back to "My House in Umbria"

/wait 5

/em Cracks another

I wish I had a real life macro for getting up, going to the fridge, grabbing a beer, opening the beer, grabbing peanuts and sitting back down.

kk, I'm done. Apologies lol

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#11 Sep 18 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
Yeah... if you had to have gone surfing thru links to find the noodz it'd be one thing. When they're right on the front page though...

What was with the naked dudes btw?
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Whoa,horse birds that's gross when resting was mandatory in FF11 my Taru was trampled by trains chocobos countless times"yes ppl went out of their way to step on people". Anyone that walks behind a horse in RL would know how bad this is. Sure a tiny chicken craps the same as a horse but chocobos are cute maybe this is what the Chinese are thinking.
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Wait, is this a joke or did all of that stuff actually happen? I never heard about any of this.
#14 Sep 18 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
Wait, "horsebirds"? Can someone tell me exactly when SE renamed Chocobos this? I don't recall any debates about this... I don't know if it's supposed to be a joke trolling or someone pulling false facts from their butts.
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Horsebirds will for now and ever on be renamed to Coco-puffs.
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Sweet Merciful Mother of Mad Science, just how much ******** can they cram on to one page!? It's like a National Enquirer article written by a rabidly xenophobic /b/tard.
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News flash: Japanese and Chinese don't like each other very much.

For whatever reason SE replaced the english translations usually found in Final Fantasy with chinese translations and the JP's don't like it and are ****** off. This isn't something Sankaku just made up, it is what actually happened.



BTW. Some of you people are as much FFXIV toadies as Sankaku are FFXIV trolls.



Edited, Sep 19th 2010 1:06am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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They should of been made "tortoisehorses".
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Lobivopis wrote:
News flash: Japanese and Chinese don't like each other very much.

For whatever reason SE replaced the english translations usually found in Final Fantasy with chinese translations and the JP's don't like it and are ****** off. This isn't something Sankaku just made up, it is what actually happened.



BTW. Some of you people are as much FFXIV toadies as Sankaku are FFXIV trolls.



Edited, Sep 19th 2010 1:06am by Lobivopis


Are we sure this isn't just something SE did to the Chinese-exclusive version of FFXIV.. maybe to comply with local laws? I've heard Chinese laws regarding video games can be somewhat strange. If they actually changed the Japanese client to say "Horsebird" instead of "Chocobo" that would be truly shocking, though it seems monstrously unlikely.

Sankaku only gets credibility if it's given by others btw. They certainly SOUND like the National Enquirer
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While I'm no fan of Sankaku, it's probably worth pointing out that they didn't actually start any of the commotion that they're reporting about here - it took place on 2ch's ネトゲ実況 board.

This is the item in question that became the center of the controversy, the Chocobo Feather: http://ffxiv.zam.com/ja/item.html?ffxivitem=10005410

馬鳥の羽根 - instead of being named チョコボの羽根 as one would expect, they used a strange choice of kanji: 馬鳥 (lit. horse bird).

You can see Tanaka Hiromichi's twitter post here where he says they'll be correcting it: http://twitter.com/tanakahiromichi/status/24762580992
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South Korea has odd laws also about not playing for prolonged periods, so that will be next. Or it was included, so that is the real reason that we have fatigue.

*speculation* + paranoia = shifty eyes

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While I'm no fan of Sankaku, it's probably worth pointing out that they didn't actually start any of the commotion that they're reporting about here - it took place on 2ch's ネトゲ実況 board.

This is the item in question that became the center of the controversy, the Chocobo Feather: http://ffxiv.zam.com/ja/item.html?ffxivitem=10005410

馬鳥の羽根 - instead of being named チョコボの羽根 as one would expect, they used a strange choice of kanji: 馬鳥 (lit. horse bird).

You can see Tanaka Hiromichi's twitter post here where he says they'll be correcting it: http://twitter.com/tanakahiromichi/status/24762580992
Basically what he's saying is that it's not unusual for them to do something like that, and it's been done before. It's not like they renamed "chocobo" in every place in the game, the item name just uses that as a sort of alternate name for them, something that they (not knowing actual Chinese) made up for the item name.

It's true too, though I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head, most enemies and abilities would be named with English names in FFXI, but related items would be given kanji (Chinese character) names. This particular usage is just extremely awkward since there's not really such thing as a chocobo so they made up a word for it.

Apparently the word people use in Chinese for chocobos is actually "陸行鳥" (I don't know Chinese myself, but this would be something like "land-going bird"), which would also lend credence to Tanaka's comments that 馬鳥 was something the Japanese developers made up for the item name.

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But it sounded like they changed the item names for no apparent reason, and it was only after all the complaints that Tanaka hastened to tweet the names will be reverted back to original...He explained that the reason for those esoteric Chinese words is some higher-up's "hobby," which just sounds fishy to me...But anyway it won't affect the English version, so we don't have to worry about seeing "horse-bird feather" in our inventory. :D

...However I really hope they will fix some of the menu snafu at retail. If I remember correctly, the equipment slots for fingers were still untranslated.
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#24 Sep 19 2010 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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And Kim Il Jung has declared that because FFXIV can be used to train people as young as 13 in combat tactics, North Korea will be resurrecting its plan to develop nuclear arms. In response South Korea and Japan have requested that the US and UK provide water based nuclear support to the region.

This build up of western soldiors in the region has bought about an explosion in demand for twinkies, coca cola and McDonalds and as a result many companies have migrated factories to floating platforms just off the coast of North Korea.

This has caused a rising of sea levels which has triggered major tsunamis across South East Asia.

A spokesman for SE said: "we are very sorry for the trouble our game has caused. The worse we were expecting was some trolling from internet nerds on ZAM and instead we have triggered World War III"

In other news, the community of ZAM has pointed out the irony of calling them nerds to Hallie who chose to use the ZAM chat rooms to spread his messages of hate!

Perhaps we should all calm down a little ;-)

Edited to recognise that there was a World War between 1939 and 1942!

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 5:54am by HallieXIV
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I'm worried about this

"Square Enix for its part has commented that “the Chinese version is a completely different service” and that it will solve the problem of gold farmers with IP bans."

I plan on playing the english version, and I live in China. If they Ban my Chinese IP I won't be able to play with my friends....and I have my friends mailing me a copy of the game ;o;.
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I'm worried about this

"Square Enix for its part has commented that “the Chinese version is a completely different service” and that it will solve the problem of gold farmers with IP bans."

I plan on playing the english version, and I live in China. If they Ban my Chinese IP I won't be able to play with my friends....and I have my friends mailing me a copy of the game ;o;.


Hate to break it to you, but you aren't going to be playing, then. The new account services make you apply for your region, if you apply for US and play from China, you get banned. If you apply for China, you're stuck with the Chinese version of the game. Solution: move.

Edit: Or have all your friends move to China ...

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 9:41am by lolrockboy
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#27 Sep 19 2010 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not sure why Sankaku Complex has such a HUEG problem with FFXIV. I think the dude is just jealous he wasn't in the alpha/beta.



Artefect, the guy who runs it is a super massive PS3 fan boy, I assume he's still miffed that PS3 launch was pushed back.
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