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#1 Sep 19 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I need help been looking at a few lap tops and yes i need a laptop I work 2 jobs and 1 job lets me play there so I need a laptop been looking at a few I want to ask you guys see what laptop kinda the best and get your all thoughts.

Here the specs for laptops

Laptop A specs
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edit
OS and recovery media System Recovery DVD with Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-430M Dual Core processor (2.26GHz, 3MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.53GHz edit
Graphics card Intel(R) HD Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
Memory FREE Upgrade to 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Hard drive FREE Upgrade to 320GB 7200RPM Hard Drive
Office software Microsoft(R) Office Starter 2010
Security software $20 OFF!! Norton Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 Month Subscription (activation required)
Primary battery 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (standard) - Up to 4.25 hours of battery life +++
Display 17.3" diagonal HD+ High-Definition HP LED BrightView Widescreen Display (1600 x 900)
Primary optical drive LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
Personalization Webcam and 5-in-1 integrated Digital Media Reader
Networking Wireless-N Card with Bluetooth
Keyboard Standard Keyboard
Modem Port Integrated 56K Modem

Laptop B specs
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
OS and recovery media System Recovery DVD with Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-520M Dual Core processor (2.40GHz, 3MB L2 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.93GHz
Graphics card Intel(R) HD Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
Memory FREE Upgrade to 3GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Hard drive FREE Upgrade to 320GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
Office software Microsoft(R) Office Starter 2010
Security software $20 OFF!! Norton Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 Month Subscription (activation required)
Primary battery 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (standard) - Up to 5.25 hours of battery life +++
Display 15.6" diagonal High Definition HP LED Brightview Display (1366x768)
Primary optical drive LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
Personalization Webcam and 5-in-1 integrated Digital Media Reader
Networking Wireless-N Card with Bluetooth
Keyboard Standard Keyboard
Modem Port Integrated 56K Modem

Well any ways thats what i found I seen a few good ones on sony web site but they seem to be back order as on today
if any one know of a good laptop that can play FF XIV for under 1k I will take a good look at it thanks guys..
#2 Sep 19 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Assuming you mean $1k, no laptop (including those) in that price range will run the game as far as I know, sorry. Those laptops appear to integrated graphics, so won't run it.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 11:32am by Dizmo
#3 Sep 19 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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This is over your price but would be the best value:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220695

This one my wife has which runs the game, also a good value(this one is refurb so a little cheaper):

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Factory-Refurbished+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;2+Duo+Processor+-+Black/9835955.p?id=1218181728243&skuId=9835955&st=g72gx&cp=1&lp=1

I really recommend the first one because it has a quad-core which is best for FFXIV. If you can somehow afford it, go with that one, it will be well worth it.



Edited, Sep 19th 2010 11:31am by BRizzl3

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 11:32am by BRizzl3
#4 Sep 19 2010 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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BRizzl3 wrote:
This is over your price but would be the best value:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220695


The thing with that laptop is the resolution is 1920x1080. The 5870 is one of the best laptop GPUs, but at that resolution I think the game will lag unless he throws all of the settings down.

A better choice, and within your budget, is this laptop.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115789

It has an nVidia GT 330M, which is not quite as fast as the 5870, but still good. For example, the 5870 scores about 12000 of a 3dMark 06 benchmark, the 330M scores about 10k. The laptop I listed has a lower native resolution, so I think it'll actually perform and look better than the other recommended laptop.

If you can go a bit over budget, for $1150 (Free shipping, no tax), you can get this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152206

That has the 5870 in it, the native resolution is 1680x1050 which is nice, and has a good enough processor to run the game well. This I think would be the best bang for your buck, but if an extra $150 is out of the question the other I listed will be good as well.

Both laptops you listed in your first post don't even have actual GPUs in them and have onboard graphics. Neither would run FFXIV over 10+ FPS, if they would even run it at all.

Lastly, whatever you end up buying, do yourself a favor and reinstall Windows 7 over whatever OS comes pre-installed. Laptops typically come with a lot of bloatware (Crappy useless software), you'll notice a performance increase from a clean installation alone.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 11:42am by Jeraziah
#5 Sep 19 2010 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks you guys kinda sucks tho my brother got the laptop A and cant run the beta and I didnt want to make the same mistake going to look at the ones you sent me brizzl3 if any one has any other ideas on laptops around 1k ish
#6 Sep 19 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi there, I got this laptop a couple weeks ago and it plays the beta perfectly and stays very cool, I totally recommend it: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+17.3%22+Display+/+6GB+Memory+/+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/9741729.p?id=1218165344675&skuId=9741729&st=asus%20g73&cp=1&lp=1

I know it's a little over your budget but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway just in case. Good luck in your search! :)

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 3:10pm by LaceDragon
#7 Sep 19 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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LaceDragon wrote:
Hi there, I got this laptop a couple weeks ago and it plays the beta perfectly and stays very cool, I totally recommend it: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+17.3%22+Display+/+6GB+Memory+/+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/9741729.p?id=1218165344675&skuId=9741729&st=asus%20g73&cp=1&lp=1

I know it's a little over your budget but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway just in case. Good luck in your search! :)

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 3:10pm by LaceDragon


I'm actually a little shocked, that's a decent laptop for the price from BestBuy. Though with tax and shipping I guess it's not really cheaper than NewEgg. Not bad though.
#8 Sep 19 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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If there isn't one in stock at a Best Buy near you they can do free to store shipping. I was lucky that there was one in stock near me and I had a birthday point coupon which gave me four times the points since I used my Best Buy credit card (3x points without using the CC) which means I will get about $100 back in Best Buy reward certificates. On top of that, putting it on the Best Buy credit card I get 18 months no interest. So basically counting the reward money I only paid about $1287 total with taxes. Was a super deal for me. :D
#9 Sep 19 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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Warning:

That Asus laptop from Best Buy listed above is a beast of a machine and run the game just fine, when it's not busy getting a Gray Screen of Death. I love the laptop, but I did need to flash to Bios 2.11, as well as flash an (un)official vBios from one of the Asus developers posted on a different website in order to get it working without GSOD. I also, of course, had to upgrade to the latest and greatest ATI Catalyst Drivers (10.8 for ATI Mobility). Been 2 days so far, no GSOD, when I'd get them randomly throughout the day before.

Still worth it, but it required a bit of work to get there.
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#10 Sep 19 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I had read about the GSOD issue but mine never did it, even after hours of playing the beta on it. I'm guessing since I only got it a couple of weeks ago they have fixed the newer ones perhaps? When did you buy yours Ridere?
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I honestly hadn't heard of the "Gray Screen of Death" and just googled it now. Seems like it was an ATI driver issue which has since been fixed. So the laptop I'm sure is a fine choice.
#12 Sep 19 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I've got the G73JH listed from newegg, I've had no trouble running the game (or any other game for that matter). Only briefly had a problem with GSODs a while ago, but that has been fixed.
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#13 Sep 19 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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Both of those laptops you listed have integrated graphics, which are terrible even for entry level gaming, never mind running something beefy.

You're going to have a hard time finding any laptop under 1500ish which will run XIV on anything but the lowest settings. Under 1k is impossible.

If your budget is $1000, then you're getting a desktop.

- Under $1500
- Laptop Computer
- Will run FFXIV

Pick any two of those.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 6:46pm by Mikhalia
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#14 Sep 19 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Under 1k is impossible.


Not true, NewEgg has Core i5's with nVidia 330M chips in them for $950. That system would be fine for running that game at it's native resolution of 1360x768. It might not do maxed settings, but I don't think that is what the OP is looking for.
#15 Sep 19 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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I got my G73JH from BestBuy a few weeks ago, but I have no idea when it was shipped to Best Buy. The Asus folks figured out the bios fix around mid August, or so, so any laptops built buy them since then should be pretty solid. Again, a small price to pay for a laptop that plays FF14 smoothly.
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#16 Sep 19 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a G73 as well and it runs the game well. You do have to turn down some of the settings in order to accommodate the high resolution of 1920x1080. But I also tried it under 720p and it looked and ran great with some of the settings notched up. Regardless though, if you really want graphics performance...you may as well go for a desktop. Otherwise, get a laptop knowing that you will need to sacrifice some options for performance.
#17 Sep 25 2010 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I picked this laptop up off of tigerdirect when the 1920res 8gb unit dropped to $1500. Had hellish GSOD issues but with the help of google eliminated them.

1) Flash the system bios from the Asus site.
2) Flash the vbios available from user Chastity on notebook review. Search google for "How to Fix Your GSOD Blues"
3) Install the latest video driver from the ATI site.

The thing is now a beast and runs the game smooth as silk. I am extremely pleased with it. In a perfect world it would have shipped with those three steps already done for me but it seems you have to tweak **** near every piece of electronics these days.

Thanks for the recommendation.
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Dear OP,

My personal bad experience:

I bought 2 Asus X42JR and had to sell both of them on eBay at a slight loss after I ran the benchmark and got about 750 on the low setting.

In the end, I just went for an Asus G73JH and will be playing the second account on my desktop instead of on another laptop.

I wouldn't want someone else to go through the same experience.

Take special note on the graphics card as it is usually the critical make or break factor.

I'm not saying a less power graphics card may not be able to run FFXIV. I'm merely suggesting that it may be better to spend a few hundred bucks more and get a laptop that has a higher end graphics card and be on the safe side.

For comparison purpose:

Asus X42JR
CPU Intel® Core™ i7-720QM (1.6Ghz turbo up to 2.8GHz)
OS Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
VGA ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5470 with 1GB dedicated DDR3 VRAM
WLAN Integrated 802.11 b/g/n + BluetoothTM 2.0 + EDR
LCD 14” HD (1366x768), 16:9 aspect ratio
RAM & HDD 4GB DDR3 RAM & 500GB SATA HDD
ODD DVD SuperMulti Double Layer Drive
FEATURES Built-in web-camera & card reader

Benchmark (Low) ~ around 750
Benchmark (High) ~ N/A (Didn't even bothered to test after seeing the above)

Asus G73JH
CPU Intel® Core™ i7-740QM Processor (1.73Ghz turbo up to 2.93GHz)
OS Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
VGA ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5870 with 1GB dedicated DDR5 VRAM
WLAN Integrated 802.11 b/g/n + Bluetooth™ 2.0 + EDR
LCD 17.3” Full HD LED (1920x1080)
RAM 8GB DDR3 RAM (After free upgrade;Max up to 16GB)
HDD 1TB SSD Hybrid HDD (7200rpm)
ODD Blu Ray DVD Combo Drive
FEATURES Built-in 2.0 Mega pixels web camera & card reader

Benchmark (Low) ~ around 2100
Benchmark (High) ~ around 3400

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Here are some resources that may help when selecting your laptop:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-radeon-hd-5570-gaming,2697-7.html


Also do try to go for the Recommended Specs instead of the Minimum Specs espcially in the case of laptops.

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#19 Sep 25 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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I have a Lenovo G555 that runs the game. It runs very, very poorly, but it runs. It just barely meets the minimum specs but for 1k I know Newegg does offer a laptop that scored a 1400 on the beta benchmark (give me a few minutes, will edit with a link to the product).

Edit: As promised here is the link: [link=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115820[/link]. Looks like I suck at linking and it's way too late in the "night" for me to worry about it.

Relevant facts on this machine:
Intel Core i7
17.3" screen
4GB DDR3 RAM (4 slots, 2 used, expandable to 16GB)
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650
1GB DDR3 Vram (dedicated)

There are places for improvement in this system. For another $100 (or so) you can double the RAM. The big chokepoint the owner I know has seen is the 5400 RPM hard drive. He has upgraded to a SSD and that has made a significant difference but I don't know the price on that.

This is the system I plan on buying to play FFXIV at work and at home. Off the shelf it should handle it easily, with another 100$ it should be very nice.

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 11:25am by SlaxLeary
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