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#1 Sep 19 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi! i know how much people loveee copy/paste PC spec posts (sarcasm) but my pc sucked, so i started lookin online at used pc's for sale on the local classified site kijiji.ca this was the best computer i could get for $900 or less (canadian funds, so like i dunno 800 US)

Motherboard: Asus M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 Socket AM3 AMD 880G + SB850 Chipset
DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1333/1066 Mhz, CrossFireX, 2x PCIe 2.0 x16
8-Channel HD Audio, 2x USB 3.0 + 12x USB2.0
5x SATA 6Gb/s HDMI DVI ATX.

Motherboard Features: Core Unlocker Turbo Key II
TurboV EVO Turbo Unlocker Auto Tuning Turbo Key Express Gate
ASUS 8+2 Phase Power Design MemOK! EPU Anti-Surge protection

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (125W) Six Core Socket AM3, 2.8GHz, 9Mb Cache, 2000MHz HT, 45nm


Graphic Card: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support, with 1 year instore replacement warranty

Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 DIMM

Power Supply: Coolmaster 750w

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda (ST3500418AS) 7200.12 SATA 3.0Gb/s 500GB 16MB Cache

DVD Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST Black SATA 24X DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 24xDVD+/-R DL 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 48xCD-R OEM

Case: NZXT M59 Mid Tower Black Interior Case


sooo most of this doesnt mean much to me, but i asked each person with a decent PC for sale to run the benchmark and this one scored the highest of the ones availible @ 4500. I can currently afford only 1 upgrade, either to add another 4gb ram or to put in a second Radeon HD 5770 video card. I was just wondering what i would notice a bigger improvement with the ram or a second video card!

Thanks for your thought :)
#2 Sep 19 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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Adding more RAM should do basically nothing. Another video card would make a big difference though.
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#3 Sep 19 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a little confused, these are not parts you currently own but a PC you're considering buying? Regardless, like the previous poster said, more RAM would do little to nothing for you. A 2nd GPU would be hugely helpful, though I would recommend better cards than the 5770 if your budget is $800. Or is the $800 going toward this computer you listed? Again, I'm confused. But either way, GPU all the way.

Edit: Just looking at the PC, this doesn't seem worth $800 to me especially if it is used. I feel like you should be getting a little more for your money.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:09pm by Jeraziah
#4 Sep 19 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Jeraziah wrote:
I'm a little confused, these are not parts you currently own but a PC you're considering buying? Regardless, like the previous poster said, more RAM would do little to nothing for you. A 2nd GPU would be hugely helpful, though I would recommend better cards than the 5770 if your budget is $800. Or is the $800 going toward this computer you listed? Again, I'm confused. But either way, GPU all the way.

Edit: Just looking at the PC, this doesn't seem worth $800 to me especially if it is used. I feel like you should be getting a little more for your money.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:09pm by Jeraziah


ive been looking all over my area at both new and used computers this was the best one in my budget currently and i NEED one buy launch day lol. sounds like a 2nd card would be the way to go :) thanks for your help
#5 Sep 19 2010 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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Do you have an existing computer with some basic spare parts you can reuse? Like a case, hard drive, power supply, monitor? Assembling a new computer is not difficult, and for $800-900 I feel you could get a lot more for your money.
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If you get another Graphics Card you're going to need a bigger PSU than 750W. I would say it's better to get one of these two than another 5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121382&Tpk=5870%20matrix

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131324&cm_re=5970-_-14-131-324-_-Product

I know the 5970 I posted is Powercolor which a lot of people think isn't good, but it has the best reviews out of all the 5970s on Newegg. Keep in mind if you forked out the money for a 5970 it has 2 GPU's on it, so it's like having 2 Video Cards.

You would still want to consider a larger PSU, though. Use this site to determine size, always put the load % at 100 for CPU and total: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:27pm by BRizzl3
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Your RAM is fine. If you want to upgrade, upgrade the GPU or add a second.
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#8 Sep 19 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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BRizzl3 wrote:
If you get another Graphics Card you're going to need a bigger PSU than 750W. I would say it's better to get one of these two than another 5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121382&Tpk=5870%20matrix

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131324&cm_re=5970-_-14-131-324-_-Product

I know the 5970 I posted is Powercolor which a lot of people think isn't good, but it has the best reviews out of all the 5970s on Newegg. Keep in mind if you forked out the money for a 5970 it has 2 GPU's on it, so it's like having 2 Video Cards.

You would still want to consider a larger PSU, though. Use this site to determine size, always put the load % at 100 for CPU and total: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:27pm by BRizzl3


He definitely will not need a PSU beyond 750W. If you check a benchmark that tests the power draw of GPUs, the 5770 draws on average 72W, with a maximum 112W. The CPU, hard drives and other peripherals draw probably between 200-300W together, then just 140 on average for 2 5770's leaves plenty of headroom.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/28.html

Edit: Using the recommended site, it recommends about a 450W power supply for him. A 750 is more than enough I'm certain.

Also to the OP, while I think you could get more for your money, I'd just like to ensure you that this PC should be able to play FFXIV well. Not completely maxed out, unless you play at a fairly low resolution, but you should be okay with it.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:36pm by Jeraziah
#9 Sep 19 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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Jeraziah wrote:
BRizzl3 wrote:
If you get another Graphics Card you're going to need a bigger PSU than 750W. I would say it's better to get one of these two than another 5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121382&Tpk=5870%20matrix

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131324&cm_re=5970-_-14-131-324-_-Product

I know the 5970 I posted is Powercolor which a lot of people think isn't good, but it has the best reviews out of all the 5970s on Newegg. Keep in mind if you forked out the money for a 5970 it has 2 GPU's on it, so it's like having 2 Video Cards.

You would still want to consider a larger PSU, though. Use this site to determine size, always put the load % at 100 for CPU and total: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:27pm by BRizzl3


He definitely will not need a PSU beyond 750W. If you check a benchmark that tests the power draw of GPUs, the 5770 draws on average 72W, with a maximum 112W. The CPU, hard drives and other peripherals draw probably between 200-300W together, then just 140 on average for 2 5770's leaves plenty of headroom.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/28.html

Edit: Using the recommended site, it recommends about a 450W power supply for him. A 750 is more than enough I'm certain.

Also to the OP, while I think you could get more for your money, I'd just like to ensure you that this PC should be able to play FFXIV well. Not completely maxed out, unless you play at a fairly low resolution, but you should be okay with it.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:36pm by Jeraziah


yeah i ran the beta and it was faily smooth with some settings being adjusted as needed. Thanks for the info i thought that the 750 psu was sufficient for a second card that other post worried me, looks like a 2nd graphics card will be my next move until i have the cash for some serious upgrades! thanks for your help :)
#10 Sep 19 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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BRizzl3 wrote:
If you get another Graphics Card you're going to need a bigger PSU than 750W. I would say it's better to get one of these two than another 5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121382&Tpk=5870%20matrix

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131324&cm_re=5970-_-14-131-324-_-Product

I know the 5970 I posted is Powercolor which a lot of people think isn't good, but it has the best reviews out of all the 5970s on Newegg. Keep in mind if you forked out the money for a 5970 it has 2 GPU's on it, so it's like having 2 Video Cards.

You would still want to consider a larger PSU, though. Use this site to determine size, always put the load % at 100 for CPU and total: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 8:27pm by BRizzl3


I really wish folks would stop with the ludicrous PSU requirements. A decent 750W will easily, and mean easily, power two 5770s.

Having said that, why get a second 5770 rather than upgrading the GPU to a better single card and leave yourself more upgrade options in the future?
#11 Sep 19 2010 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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cause a new 5770 is only 120 bucks and a top of the line one is gonna be like 500+
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Having said that, why get a second 5770 rather than upgrading the GPU to a better single card and leave yourself more upgrade options in the future?


I thought the whole point of being able to SLI/Crossfire cards was to effectively let you "upgrade" to similiar levels as a higher end single card without having to spend the money. So if he continues to use this logic that he should upgrade to a better single card, when the **** is he ever going to SLI/Crossfire?

So unless you can suggest him a single card that would improve performance as about as adding a second 5770 would at a similar price point, I don't see the point in suggesting this.
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